Value of: Max Domi
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Be careful with using a prior comparable as a bar for trade prediction purposes. We're approaching the 10th anniversary of the Gaustad trade. I remember 3-4 years worth of "if Gaustad can get a 1st..." logic, while better players ultimately went for less. Playstyle, position, supply and demand in the marketplace and the aggressiveness of the GMs in a position to buy define the rental market as much as available player quality does.
Its not unrealistic for a guy like domi though, he will bring a 1st+ with retention or likley wont be moved.
Different years, different market this year is a buyers market
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Columbus punting on say a 2nd and letting him walk as a UFA, while not in contention for the playoffs, is pretty terrible asset management. It would be one thing to hold if the market is lowballing, so as to show the rest of the league that you won't ultimately fold in future deals. This is in the opposite direction.
I'd take that deal now and call it done. An Ottawa 2nd is as good as a late 1st.
I'd be curious if Domi would want to sign in Ottawa. They're a little further along in their rebuild so he might want to be a part of that.
Not bad, you might get outbid. I don't think the Jackets mind retaining on Domi if it returns a better pick than that.
I get the idea of holding the line on value but Domi isn't the guy that you hold the line on. Lars won't use him, so they're better off moving on and making space to bring up some prospects. It's a highest-bid type of situation.
29Potvin
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Last year was also the best year for him to take such a risk.
Many had it as the leafs easiest path to the Cup, Draft/players ranking were rather unknown given that Covid had put a halt on most development leagues.
It was a bad trade dont get me wrong but given what i stated above it was the best time to take that kind of risk.
29Potvin
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Unless you are getting players with term I would rather not mortgage anything this season.
If management (not the GM) believe this is make or break season you cant spend a ton of assets now as we will likely need to added a sweetener to any Ritchie deal and replace Holl/Dermott/Muzz as cap casualties this off season to keep Soup or find a backup for Petr
They are 29-10-3 this isn't the time to get lazy, sit on your ass and do nothing
Viqsi
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True, but I would also point out that most of the time the Gaustad nonsense was used in completely unrelated situations with completely different folks involved. In this case, it's still Jarmo Kekalainen making the (hypothetical) trade and it's only one year later, so it's not completely out of the question to suggest a 1st is possible, based on those moves. (Though I'm not holding my breath.
)True, but I would also point out that most of the time the Gaustad nonsense was used in completely unrelated situations with completely different folks involved. In this case, it's still Jarmo Kekalainen making the (hypothetical) trade and it's only one year later, so it's not completely out of the question to suggest a 1st is possible, based on those moves. (Though I'm not holding my breath.
It's not completely out of the question, but I wouldn't say based on Gaustad, or based on Savard and Foligno. There is a playoff performer archetype, and those big guys filled that archetype, Domi probably doesn't.
True, but I would also point out that most of the time the Gaustad nonsense was used in completely unrelated situations with completely different folks involved. In this case, it's still Jarmo Kekalainen making the (hypothetical) trade and it's only one year later, so it's not completely out of the question to suggest a 1st is possible, based on those moves. (Though I'm not holding my breath.
He can play poker, and perhaps he'll do that until the bitter end, but the market ultimately determines what a player is worth. Ron Francis got a 1st for Sekera one year and didn't get it for E. Staal the next, for example.
That's why I never criticize for the value returned in a rental trade; the decision to wait to trade a player at that point is a separate matter. A GM can't make another organization pay unless it wants to and the "we'll just keep him" line doesn't fly in most cases like this.
True, but I would also point out that most of the time the Gaustad nonsense was used in completely unrelated situations with completely different folks involved. In this case, it's still Jarmo Kekalainen making the (hypothetical) trade and it's only one year later, so it's not completely out of the question to suggest a 1st is possible, based on those moves. (Though I'm not holding my breath.
A 1st is maybe possible but I'd call it unlikely
Something to consider with this year's market -- we are just past the halfway point of the season for most teams. I believe most teams have around 18-21 games between now and the deadline.
In the East, 8 teams are substantially far away from the playoffs. Detroit 13 points shy of Washington (same GP), Columbus is 14 points shy of Boston (same GP). At this point, barring a miraculous month by the Red Wings, Jackets, or Islanders, there's going to be 8 sellers in the East; plus a "usual contingent" in the west. It's going to be a buyers market.
Max Domi, and his 1/2 a PPG production for $2.65m (50% retention will be basically non-negotiable unless he's going to the Rangers or Wild), somewhat tempermental play / attitude, and some fiestyness are not going to yield a 1st round pick.
Realistically, probably a 2nd + a mid-tier prospect.
In the East, 8 teams are substantially far away from the playoffs. Detroit 13 points shy of Washington (same GP), Columbus is 14 points shy of Boston (same GP). At this point, barring a miraculous month by the Red Wings, Jackets, or Islanders, there's going to be 8 sellers in the East; plus a "usual contingent" in the west. It's going to be a buyers market.
Max Domi, and his 1/2 a PPG production for $2.65m (50% retention will be basically non-negotiable unless he's going to the Rangers or Wild), somewhat tempermental play / attitude, and some fiestyness are not going to yield a 1st round pick.
Realistically, probably a 2nd + a mid-tier prospect.
