Confirmed with Link: Mattias Samuelsson Signs 7 year extension ($4.29M AAV)

[Dubi Doo]

Fascinating. I still think they are better in the first half of last season if he's not injured to start the year. This could be some excellent value much sooner rather than much later.

Yup. I was surprised he was even sent down last year. Watched a couple of games while he was still in the Roc last year- and it was clear he was so far ahead of the curve. Barring injuries- there's no doubt in my mind this contract becomes a steal sooner rather than later.

He's so smooth, man. Compliments Dahlin perfectly, too.

Buffalo effed up Reinhart, 100%. But.....this is going the other way. This is just a pure unforced error. Even if Samuelsson has an incredible season....what's the price for a physical d-man. 4M on a bridge or 5M long term? He isn't arb elgible, he isn't going to get offersheeted. There's no reason to give out 7 years now.

It's all risk and very little reward.

That's the issue you're having. Samuelsson brings so much more to the table than just physical play. Reminds me so much of Tallinder but with a bit more physicality.

 

[Chainshot]

Buffalo effed up Reinhart, 100%. But.....this is going the other way. This is just a pure unforced error. Even if Samuelsson has an incredible season....what's the price for a physical d-man. 4M on a bridge or 5M long term?

It's all risk and very little reward.

Is it all Samuelsson brings - we're talking about a guy who has outpaced some dude named Brian Campbell in AHL scoring rates and yet still gets referenced as "just" a meathead. Is a good partner unlocking Dahlin's offensive game not worth 2nd pairing money? It seems the team thinks so.

 

[elchud]

Lets get a Cozens deal done first before we start to worry about Asplund..

If we can get Asplund 7 years 20million total sign that kid immediately.

Cozens may think he has 30 goals in him this season. I think he won't want to get locked in for under 4.5 million (as far as long term deal).

 

[Zman5778]

Buffalo effed up Reinhart, 100%. But.....this is going the other way. This is just a pure unforced error. Even if Samuelsson has an incredible season....what's the price for a physical d-man. 4M on a bridge or 5M long term? He isn't arb elgible, he isn't going to get offersheeted. There's no reason to give out 7 years now.

It's all risk and very little reward.

He's being paid as a middling 2nd pair D-man next year.

It's all reward with very little risk.

 

[Ace]

When people say they’re concerned about giving Tage all that money and term i at least understand why. He blew up and did something he’d never done at any level in his development. That’s a risky bet.

But this?

This I don’t get the concern over. He’s developed and been great consistently through that development. Granato was talking about the team missing him in the lineup when he’d just played a handful of NHL games. Then he got back and the team did what Granato predicted. Because he’s a predictable commodity in a good way.

 

[Jim Bob]

 

[sabremike]

 

[elchud]

What's the Hodgson type buyout hit on this contract?

 

[TehDoak]

Zaitsev was amazing...until he wasn't. And Toronto had to pay to get out of that deal.

And I'm a huge Samuelsson fan. But this is just an unforced error by the front office. The payoff is minor and the risk of being saddled with a bad long term deal still looms large.

After the the Skinner and Leino contract fiasco's, you would think ownership would learn that it takes more than one season to give out a massive contract.

If your comp is Brodin here....after 2.5 seasons of excellence he got a 6 year, 25M deal in 2015. At a 71.3M cap.

At an 82.5 M cap, the comp is 4.75M a year. So 6 years, 28.5.

So, the "reward" here is you saved under 500k a year.

The risk is you end up with a Zaitsev like contract you have to pay to move.

Very little reward, a lot of risk.

It's just non sensical. There's no Arbitration to worry about, no reasonable fear of offersheet. Just tossing out 7 years deals because....why not?

 

[Dingo44]

 

[Ace]

The only way I could like this more is if they signed an identical deal to a clone who could play with Power

 

[Zman5778]

Zaitsev was amazing...until he wasn't. And Toronto had to pay to get out of that deal.

And I'm a huge Samuelsson fan. But this is just an unforced error by the front office. The payoff is minor and the risk of being saddled with a bad long term deal still looms large.

After the the Skinner and Leino contract fiasco's, you would think ownership would learn that it takes more than one season to give out a massive contract.

If your comp is Brodin here....after 2.5 seasons of excellence he got a 6 year, 25M deal in 2015. At a 71.3M cap.

At an 82.5 M cap, the comp is 4.75M a year. So 6 years, 28.5.

So, the "reward" here is you saved under 500k a year.

The risk is you end up with a Zaitsev like contract you have to pay to move.

Very little reward, a lot of risk.

It's just non sensical. There's no Arbitration to worry about, no reasonable fear of offersheet. Just tossing out 7 years deals because....why not?

And the cap is forecast to jump in a large way after next year. So the savings you describe will only increase.

 

[TehDoak]

What's the Hodgson type buyout hit on this contract?

I originally posted the one at age 26. This is the one before age 26, the 1/3rd buyout. Only can do this the 1st two years of the 7 year contract though.

 

[CaliSabresfan24]

If we can get Asplund 7 years 20million total sign that kid immediately.

Cozens may think he has 30 goals in him this season. I think he won't want to get locked in for under 4.5 million (as far as long term deal).

I dont see the Sabres signing Asplund to that deal.. The dollar amount is right but the term is not. He'll get a 4 year max.

 

[Ace]

And the cap is forecast to jump in a large way after next year. So the savings you describe will only increase.

So they shouldn’t wait for three years until the cap goes up 10 million dollars and he, as everyone who gets to his position, has the complete hammer to force a trade out or a bigger contract?

BUT ZAITSEV

 

[elchud]

The only way I could like this more is if they signed an identical deal to a clone who could play with Power

My eye is on Andrew Peeke. CBJ is loaded with young RHDs and maybe we can flip a forward in a year or two for him.

 

[Dingo44]

 

[Ace]

I dont see the Sabres signing Asplund to that deal.. The dollar amount is right but the term is not. He'll get a 4 year max.

I’m not sure on that. Their two bottom six guys who they count on and can move up the lineup are ufa after this year. Our system has a lot of forwards….but not a lot of Asplunds and Girgensons

 

[Jim Bob]

Zaitsev was amazing...until he wasn't. And Toronto had to pay to get out of that deal.

And I'm a huge Samuelsson fan. But this is just an unforced error by the front office. The payoff is minor and the risk of being saddled with a bad long term deal still looms large.

After the the Skinner and Leino contract fiasco's, you would think ownership would learn that it takes more than one season to give out a massive contract.

If your comp is Brodin here....after 2.5 seasons of excellence he got a 6 year, 25M deal in 2015. At a 71.3M cap.

At an 82.5 M cap, the comp is 4.75M a year. So 6 years, 28.5.

So, the "reward" here is you saved under 500k a year.

The risk is you end up with a Zaitsev like contract you have to pay to move.

Very little reward, a lot of risk.

It's just non sensical. There's no Arbitration to worry about, no reasonable fear of offersheet. Just tossing out 7 years deals because....why not?

Zaitsev didn't hit the NHL until 25yo.

And giving a D less than $5M per is massive?

I get concern over the Thompson deal. But giving a D like Samuelsson $4.3M long term is far from massive. It could be 3rd pairing money before it's over.

 

[Club]

I loved this draft choice from the beginning that he's a reliable defensive player. I like the deal. I think it's a win.

 

[Tsyolin]

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I originally posted the one at age 26. This is the one before age 26, the 1/3rd buyout. Only can do this the 1st two years of the 7 year contract though.

He's 22 now, if it doesn't pan out then just buy him out before he's 26 just like Ottawa did with Colin White.

 

[Ace]

I love that he tried to get back from injury to help Rochester in the playoffs and now he’s gotten lifetime security from the big club.

I genuinely feel for anyone upset over this. I don’t know how they would ever like anything.

 

[CaliSabresfan24]

I’m not sure on that. They’re two bottom six guys who they count on and can move up the lineup are ufa after this year. Our system has a lot of forwards….but not a lot of Asplunds and Girgensons

Kozak, Bloom and Cederqvist come to mind..

Either way I am not against signing Asplund. Original point was I'd rather focus on getting Cozens signed and just think 7 years for Asplund is a little excessive when you have the guys I mentioned in the system.

 

[Jim Bob]

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I originally posted the one at age 26. This is the one before age 26, the 1/3rd buyout. Only can do this the 1st two years of the 7 year contract though.

They won't need to buy him out.

Some GM will trade for him.

Exhibit A: Risto to the Flyers.

 

[Husko]

Reminds me of the Dumoulin contact, love it.