Injury Report: Matthews - Update 11/30 -- Off IR and back

[Tie Domi Esquire]

This thread is now truly day to day !
Cant wait until its closed for no further replies.

The Matthews threads are always closed quickly. Some folks want us to ignore the elephant in the room, meanwhile every other element of the team has a thread dedicated to it.

 

[Nineteen67]

What does knowing exactly what the injury is matter? Personally I don’t care, sore wrist, bad back, groin pull, who cares, knowing the length of time off I’m curious about. Anytime I’ve had an injury dr’s gave me estimates, although onetime I was told, we don’t know how long.

For gambling purposes. The betting sites know what’s wrong and so should the bettors.

 

[ACC1224]

What does knowing exactly what the injury is matter? Personally I don’t care, sore wrist, bad back, groin pull, who cares, knowing the length of time off I’m curious about. Anytime I’ve had an injury dr’s gave me estimates, although onetime I was told, we don’t know how long.

I'm with you, don't care why, just come back and play.
Sure we like information but as fans we aren't entitled to know why someone is hurt.

 

[Suntouchable13]

I don’t like the secrecy. This organization doesn’t seem to care about its fans, and thinks we are stupid. Who do they think they are? Anyway, if he comes back and is fine the rest of the way it’s just water under the bridge. I just wish they weren’t so secretive. Rubs me the wrong way.

 

[Nineteen67]

I don’t like the secrecy. This organization doesn’t seem to care about its fans, and thinks we are stupid. Who do they think they are? Anyway, if he comes back and is fine the rest of the way it’s just water under the bridge. I just wish they weren’t so secretive. Rubs me the wrong way.

It’s strange how they handle injury reports.

 

[Stephen]

I don’t like the secrecy. This organization doesn’t seem to care about its fans, and thinks we are stupid. Who do they think they are? Anyway, if he comes back and is fine the rest of the way it’s just water under the bridge. I just wish they weren’t so secretive. Rubs me the wrong way.

Lack of transparency breeds speculation and I don’t think it helps the player or the team.

If an injury is shrouded in mystery, it’s not exactly the location of it that’s important, its severity, cause and blame.

Severity as in, how serious can it be, to omg is this career altering? In either extreme you can’t know whether the player is dealing with something that others would brush off, to whether the player is permanently damaged.

And cause as in, what caused it, what will continue to cause it, and how will this impact his play if he played at a high level and it was damaging.

Finally, the blame. Is it the player or team that’s doing something wrong to prevent this injury. Were other surgical and rehab options pursued to avoid this time lost, and if not, why not?

It’s all bad. Being transparent would wipe a lot of these talking points away. But again if you don’t care what the peasants think, it also doesn’t matter.

 

[Petrus]

I thought under privacy legislation the medical condition cannot be disclosed without consent. Highly unlikely it will be leaked as it could result in a job termination.
Add to that you don’t want the player’s condition being targeted by the opposing team. Probably a good idea not to disclose the condition.

 

[authentic]

Is he playing tomorrow or what ?

 

[Welsh Maple Leaf]

The Matthews threads are always closed quickly. Some folks want us to ignore the elephant in the room, meanwhile every other element of the team has a thread dedicated to it.

What elephant?

 

[Jojalu]

Lack of transparency breeds speculation and I don’t think it helps the player or the team.

If an injury is shrouded in mystery, it’s not exactly the location of it that’s important, its severity, cause and blame.

Severity as in, how serious can it be, to omg is this career altering? In either extreme you can’t know whether the player is dealing with something that others would brush off, to whether the player is permanently damaged.

And cause as in, what caused it, what will continue to cause it, and how will this impact his play if he played at a high level and it was damaging.

Finally, the blame. Is it the player or team that’s doing something wrong to prevent this injury. Were other surgical and rehab options pursued to avoid this time lost, and if not, why not?

It’s all bad. Being transparent would wipe a lot of these talking points away. But again if you don’t care what the peasants think, it also doesn’t matter.

I have never understood how football can be so over the top transparent where there is hitting, scrums, piles on every play and there is no excuse of the other team might try to exploit the injury.

 

[Dave92]

Just like it wasn't too early to say this team wasn't built properly for the playoffs the past 8 years.

It's already obvious that making Matthews captain was a mistake.

His numbers won't be the same as captain and they'll try to blame it on injuries like they have with every slump in his career.

 

[Cap'n Flavour]

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“I don't think there's really any secrecy. Like, I don't think we did anything outside of the rules of providing information to you guys and the NHL. So I think it just gets a little bit blown out of proportion with the marketplace and you guys being a little bit nosy,” Matthews said.

There's no secrecy. However, I am not going to explain anything, that's up to you to find out.

 

[HellasLEAF]

Lack of transparency breeds speculation and I don’t think it helps the player or the team.

Yes it does. I fully support the team not disclosing anything myself. But to each their own. You choose to complain. What else is new lol.

If an injury is shrouded in mystery, it’s not exactly the location of it that’s important, its severity, cause and blame.

They don't want fans or media to know the severity, cause, and blame. Certainly the severity. Or anyone for that matter, other than TML personnel that should know.

Severity as in, how serious can it be, to omg is this career altering? In either extreme you can’t know whether the player is dealing with something that others would brush off, to whether the player is permanently damaged.

How can anyone know this. I guess we'll find out.

And cause as in, what caused it, what will continue to cause it, and how will this impact his play if he played at a high level and it was damaging.

They don't want opposing players to ever know where to target their players. This has been going on some time it's not special to Toronto Maple Leafs.

Finally, the blame. Is it the player or team that’s doing something wrong to prevent this injury. Were other surgical and rehab options pursued to avoid this time lost, and if not, why not?

I'm pretty sure they talked about it. I mean he's a pretty important player for the team. But I can't say for sure. I need more transparency!

It’s all bad. Being transparent would wipe a lot of these talking points away. But again if you don’t care what the peasants think, it also doesn’t matter.

They do not care if you know about injuries.

 

[Tie Domi Esquire]

There's no secrecy. However, I am not going to explain anything, that's up to you to find out.

Unbelievable. But hey, he quit in the middle of the playoffs with no explanation and got away with it so this is normal. Kids (many in this thread) are growing up looking up to this guy. But the joke's on us.

 

[Community]

I don’t like the secrecy. This organization doesn’t seem to care about its fans, and thinks we are stupid. Who do they think they are? Anyway, if he comes back and is fine the rest of the way it’s just water under the bridge. I just wish they weren’t so secretive. Rubs me the wrong way.

Not meaning to sound rude, but why does it rub you the wrong way? Their decision is clearly made to either honour Matthews wishes to not disclose the injury OR their decision to prevent the area from potentially being targeted by other teams in the future. Both are perfectly good reasons not to share medical information.

Also, most people would not happily share their medical records with the world...

Lack of transparency breeds speculation and I don’t think it helps the player or the team.

If an injury is shrouded in mystery, it’s not exactly the location of it that’s important, its severity, cause and blame.

Severity as in, how serious can it be, to omg is this career altering? In either extreme you can’t know whether the player is dealing with something that others would brush off, to whether the player is permanently damaged.

And cause as in, what caused it, what will continue to cause it, and how will this impact his play if he played at a high level and it was damaging.

Finally, the blame. Is it the player or team that’s doing something wrong to prevent this injury. Were other surgical and rehab options pursued to avoid this time lost, and if not, why not?

It’s all bad. Being transparent would wipe a lot of these talking points away. But again if you don’t care what the peasants think, it also doesn’t matter.

Why is it bad? Why, as a fan, do you need to know any of this information? There's no secrecy between Matthews and Leafs management as far as we are aware and that's all that really matters.

 

[Stephen]

Why is it bad? Why, as a fan, do you need to know any of this information? There's no secrecy between Matthews and Leafs management as far as we are aware and that's all that really matters.

None of this exists without fan interest. So if the team tells me this is none of my business, maybe none of it is my business and I can take my consumer dollars and interest elsewhere. I don’t need to tune into games, don’t need to go to the casino night, buy a ticket to the game, spend on concessions, don’t need a player jersey etc.

 

[Stephen]

I thought under privacy legislation the medical condition cannot be disclosed without consent. Highly unlikely it will be leaked as it could result in a job termination.
Add to that you don’t want the player’s condition being targeted by the opposing team. Probably a good idea not to disclose the condition.

That’s nonsense. We know McDavid had an ankle injury a month ago which was disclosed like most injuries were disclosed and I don’t see it all hidden in a shroud of secrecy. Matthews is on the far end of the spectrum when it comes to injury disclosure and is hardly the conventional approach.

 

[Stephen]

There's no secrecy. However, I am not going to explain anything, that's up to you to find out.

That’s the thing. Here you have an athlete who wants to be extremely relatable and involved in all sorts of corporate campaigns, and yet public interest is described as “nosy.”

 

[Stephen]

Yes it does. I fully support the team not disclosing anything myself. But to each their own. You choose to complain. What else is new lol.

They don't want fans or media to know the severity, cause, and blame. Certainly the severity. Or anyone for that matter, other than TML personnel that should know.

How can anyone know this. I guess we'll find out.

They don't want opposing players to ever know where to target their players. This has been going on some time it's not special to Toronto Maple Leafs.

I'm pretty sure they talked about it. I mean he's a pretty important player for the team. But I can't say for sure. I need more transparency!

They do not care if you know about injuries.

If you don’t care about “me” as a fan, then don’t try to reach out as a paying customer to games, Leaf functions, someone who will buy jerseys and connect with all the corporate endorsements or otherwise spend money on the franchise. You can’t really have it both ways.

 

[Kurtz]

I don’t like the secrecy. This organization doesn’t seem to care about its fans, and thinks we are stupid. Who do they think they are? Anyway, if he comes back and is fine the rest of the way it’s just water under the bridge. I just wish they weren’t so secretive. Rubs me the wrong way.

I don't like it either, but on the other hand us knowing exactly what the injury is would also mean rats like Marchand knowing it too.

 

[Tie Domi Esquire]

Maybe he's saving the information for the book he will try to sell to the poor suckers in this city.

 

[Petrus]

That’s nonsense. We know McDavid had an ankle injury a month ago which was disclosed like most injuries were disclosed and I don’t see it all hidden in a shroud of secrecy. Matthews is on the far end of the spectrum when it comes to injury disclosure and is hardly the conventional approach.

McDavid’s injury occurred on live TV. It was quite obvious what transpired and what the injury was.

Privacy Legislation is no trivial matter.
Conventional or not if Matthews does not want to disclose it, then that’s his personal choice and it cannot be disclosed by the team.

I frankly don’t have a problem with it. All that matters is the prognosis not the diagnosis.

 

[Leaf Fans]

If you don’t care about “me” as a fan, then don’t try to reach out as a paying customer to games, Leaf functions, someone who will buy jerseys and connect with all the corporate endorsements or otherwise spend money on the franchise. You can’t really have it both ways.

Sure, you an use your dollars I way way you want regardless whether the team cares about you or not.

 

[Nineteen67]

I thought under privacy legislation the medical condition cannot be disclosed without consent. Highly unlikely it will be leaked as it could result in a job termination.
Add to that you don’t want the player’s condition being targeted by the opposing team. Probably a good idea not to disclose the condition.

I don’t know about Canada, but in the US we have HIPAA which basically means only covered entities ( providers, insurance, etc ) cannot disclose PHI without consent. The media are not covered so they could disclose PHI depending on how they obtained the information. Typically they don’t report it because they don’t want to strain relationships.

McDavid’s injury occurred on live TV. It was quite obvious what transpired and what the injury was.

Privacy Legislation is no trivial matter.
Conventional or not if Matthews does not want to disclose it, then that’s his personal choice and it cannot be disclosed by the team.

I frankly don’t have a problem with it. All that matters is the prognosis not the diagnosis.

Most injuries occur on live tv.

 

[Nineteen67]

I suppose Matthews doesn’t want it in public so there won’t be any pressure to hold him out of the 4 nations.