Golden_Jet
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Matthews > Stutzle
Ullmark > Woll
I’d prefer Tkachuk over Marner, but can see some preferring Marner.
Ullmark > Woll
I’d prefer Tkachuk over Marner, but can see some preferring Marner.
Matthews > Stutzle
Marner > Tkachuk
Woll ? Ullmark
Ullmark is the better goalie by far, I just want to see him play in Ottawa before saying anything about the trio.Thats's just ridiculous.
Very good point and for me the gap between Matthews and Stutzle is smaller then the gap between Ullmark and Woll and i se Marner and Tkachuk as a washProblem here is many will compare Matthews vs Stutzle 2023-24 but completely ignore the 2022-23 season
Matthews had an injury? Well, Stutzle played injured all season after game #4. He was also 21 y/o until January 15th. It would also be interesting to compare both players at the same age...
This is not to say that Stutzle will be better than Matthews but the gap will most likely not be the one that was last season...
But anyway, what I am saying is way too deep for 2024 I guess.
Very good point and for me the gap between Matthews and Stutzle is smaller then the gap between Ullmark and Woll and i se Marner and Tkachuk as a wash
And the year before Stutzle had 39 and 90 when he was 20. He was hurt last year still put up 70. Woll has never played more than 25 nhl games in a season and has 36 in his career and you are talking about Ullmark and the extra work load..... Matthews is clearly in a tier by himself in this comparison thats why he is winning but theres more to it when you are looking at the other players.I disagree, last season Matthews nearly put up as many goals as Stutzle had points. The gap between Ullmark (40 GP) and Woll (25 GP) is .008 SV% and Ullmark may not get the same support in front of him in Ottawa. Neither goalie had the reigns as the bonafide starter and their performance could flop with an increased work load so goaltending is "voodoo" remains the standard in this poll for me.
And the year before Stutzle had 39 and 90 when he was 20. He was hurt last year still put up 70. Woll has never played more than 25 nhl games in a season and has 36 in his career. Matthews is clearly in a tier by himself in this comparison thats why he is winning but theres more to it when you are looking at the other players.
So Stutzle is the first player to ever peak at 20. Thats the gamble you're going with? While he is on his ELC? Also you are worried about Ullmarks increased work load when Woll has never played more than 25 games.Yes, I read that, but that seasons scoring had many peak years for young talents. Stutzle had 90 points which was only good for 19th. The same season, Jason Robertson for example had 109 pts with 46 goals before dropping to 80 points on a cup contender last season.
So Stutzle is the first player to ever peak at 20. Thats the gamble you're going with? While he is on his ELC? Also you are worried about Ullmarks increased work load when Woll has never played more than 25 games.
None are his age, it wasnt a regression the next season he was injured. The average GPG was almost identical last year.Who said anything about peak? I said I disagreed with the gap between him and Matthews being less than the gap between the goalies based on current performance and circumstances going forward.
But you can look at many of the young talents in the top 20 in that 2022-23' season to see regression in point totals there last year. The majority of players that met the same production level or exceeded it in the following season were players in their prime years, while guys like Karlsson and RNH fell off.
I'm simply just saying I think scoring was fairly elevated for that year, and extrapolating a high scoring season as evidence for future growth may not be realistic if we're projecting anything.
The gap between Woll and Ullmark is definitely greater than Tkachuk and Marner.Toronto and it is genuinely not even close.
Matthews is WORLDS better than Stutzle.
Marner is better than Tkachuk.
And Ullmark has the edge on Woll for now.
But the gap between Ullmark and Woll can't even come close to closing the gap between the other 4.
The Leafs dou are so vastly superior that the gap between Ullmark and Woll barely matters.
None are his age, it wasnt a regression the next season he was injured. The average GPG was almost identical last year.
Karlsson and RNH are in their 30's.
Its not realistic for a player to improve on his 20 year old season... You are grasping.
Matthews is WORLDS better than Stutzle.
Stutzle needed to play 4 more games to finish 5 points ahead and he STILL couldn't match the goal production of an injured Auston Matthews who had an injured wrist all year.What will be the narrative on this forum if the 2022-23 situation happens again?
Matthews had 40 goals and 85 points. Stutzle had 39 goals and 90 points.
And Stu was not healthy last year.Stutzle needed to play 4 more games to finish 5 points ahead and he STILL couldn't match the goal production of an injured Auston Matthews who had an injured wrist all year.
And this past it wasn't even close because Auston was healthy.
, so only injuries count if they are leaf injuries, got it.Stutzle needed to play 4 more games to finish 5 points ahead and he STILL couldn't match the goal production of an injured Auston Matthews who had an injured wrist all year.
And this past it wasn't even close because Auston was healthy.
So healthy Stu is worse than healthy Matthews and Injured Stu is worse than injured Matthews.And Stu was not healthy last year.
Stutzle needed to play 4 more games to finish 5 points ahead and he STILL couldn't match the goal production of an injured Auston Matthews who had an injured wrist all year.
And this past it wasn't even close because Auston was healthy.
So healthy Stu is worse than healthy Matthews and Injured Stu is worse than injured Matthews.
Healthy Stu is maybe marginally better offensively than injured Matthews but he also still finished in the top 15 in Selke voting during his down season (Stutzle 0 votes, his teammate had Giroux one 5th place vote).
Is this a serious poll, come on man. Thankfully september 21st is coming so we can stop taking about the sens until next summer
Healthy Stu finished ahead of injured Matthews while he was still on his ELC.So healthy Stu is worse than healthy Matthews and Injured Stu is worse than injured Matthews.