Prospect Info: Matthew Tkachuk or PL Dubois (Round 3)

[WTG]

It'll be interesting if we draft Dubois.

He's incredibly mature and can potentially be a captain in the NHL. Maybe one day we can have Horvat vs Dubois arguments on who is the next captain. Either way, I can't see Benning passing on a character guy like Dubois. He wants to build the team like the Bruins that's pretty clear. So getting a guy who reminds me so much of Bergeron when he plays defense with his ability to read the play. That is just too much for Benning to pass on.

 

[GPNuck]

I just watched his highlight videos. The guy looks and plays like a monster power forward

I watched the one that was posted on reddit only.. Going to watch the jetsalternate videos now.. The one on reddit he didn't look that special to me. I hope i'm wrong though and he is a 2nd coming of Jamie Benn who he said himself he patents his game after his style

 

[D0ctorCool]

I watched the one that was posted on reddit only.. Going to watch the jetsalternate videos now.. The one on reddit he didn't look that special to me. I hope i'm wrong though and he is a 2nd coming of Jamie Benn who he said himself he patents his game after his style

I thought his hilight package looked pretty good. The only thing that worries me is that he scores a lot of his goals from pretty far out. I don't know how many of those goals would translate into NHL goals.

 

[Horse McHindu]

It'll be interesting if we draft Dubois.

He's incredibly mature and can potentially be a captain in the NHL. Maybe one day we can have Horvat vs Dubois arguments on who is the next captain. Either way, I can't see Benning passing on a character guy like Dubois. He wants to build the team like the Bruins that's pretty clear. So getting a guy who reminds me so much of Bergeron when he plays defense with his ability to read the play. That is just too much for Benning to pass on.

Agreed. At this point, I can't see the Canucks drafting anyone but Dubois. Tkachuk will be gone at #4, and I seriously doubt Puljiujarvi will drop that far down. The trade for Gudbranson and subsequent departure of McCann, also likely means that Benning will be looking for a prospect Center.

Canucks, to a certain degree, should be set down the middle for many years to come with Horvat and Dubois. While I don't think Horvat or Dubois will be true franchise centers, I think the presence of both players on the team will make the Canucks strong down the middle.

 

[GPNuck]

Ok I change my mind again.. I want Dubois.. But I'm also very open minded about Tkachuk obviously.. Jost, Brown and Nylander I could see Nylander being just like his brother but stronger

 

[JA]

I thought his hilight package looked pretty good. The only thing that worries me is that he scores a lot of his goals from pretty far out. I don't know how many of those goals would translate into NHL goals.

Which package did you watch? There were quite a few goals scored around the crease in feebster's highlight packages.

The one on the left showcases his plays earlier in the season; the one on the right features plays from the second half of his season. Both were created by feebster, known on YouTube as bigwhite06. I posted the later highlight in my previous post, but you might not have seen the package on the left.



It's great to see that he has a shot and can bury goals around the net. He's dangerous all over the ice.

Ok I change my mind again.. I want Dubois.. But I'm also very open minded about Tkachuk obviously.. Jost, Brown and Nylander I could see Nylander being just like his brother but stronger

Have a look at the video on the left as well. I forgot to include that in the earlier post on Page 2.

 

[SgtToody]

I think we're going off ye board - but not Bruins style. Benning's on record with a centre wish, and their are just enough Q about PlD at that position plus about the 'Q',,, Tkatchuk is a power forward similar (but better) than Virtanen... The team will draft Keller, whose stock hasn't risen to the extent as those around him on the board, despite his record-setting pace. Also, the Canucks are becoming fixated on the NCAA route as a better development system. Keller has the upside of BSeguin w/o the bad rep...

 

[WTG]

I think we're going off ye board - but not Bruins style. Benning's on record with a centre wish, and their are just enough Q about PlD at that position plus about the 'Q',,, Tkatchuk is a power forward similar (but better) than Virtanen... The team will draft Keller, whose stock hasn't risen to the extent as those around him on the board, despite his record-setting pace. Also, the Canucks are becoming fixated on the NCAA route as a better development system. Keller has the upside of BSeguin w/o the bad rep...

I really don't see us getting Keller.

Benning has talked much about how PLD is a big #1 center that you need to compete in the west. Also, I really do not think Benning passes up size and skill for pure skill in Keller. It'll surprise me if we get Keller.

 

[JA]

I really don't see us getting Keller.

Benning has talked much about how PLD is a big #1 center that you need to compete in the west. Also, I really do not think Benning passes up size and skill for pure skill in Keller. It'll surprise me if we get Keller.

It's all starting to unfold before our eyes.

http://www.tsn.ca/radio/vancouver-1040-i-1410/botchford-benning-thinks-dubois-can-be-a-1-centre-1.484258

Jason Botchford:

4:35:

"I think, ideally -- they've kind of showed their hand a bit. Benning hasn't hid it at all; he loves Dubois, he loves what he can do, he thinks he can be a number one center in the NHL."

5:07:

"What they don't have is a succession plan for the Sedin twins. They don't have a guy who's capable of stepping in and being a number one center. They think Dubois can be that guy, so it's a no-brainer. There's just no hiding it right now. If he's there, they gotta take him."

8:39:

Bro Jake:

"Benning could be looking to add another defenceman, uh, via the trade. *brief pause* What . . ."

Botchford:

"I don't thi--"

Bro Jake:

"WHAT WOULD YOU, WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE TO. . ."

Botchford:

"I don't think we have any choice on that, *mumble*"

Bro Jake:

"Well, what would you have to give up for -- to get a top four defenceman? What do we have to give up to get one?"

Botchford:

"Jared McCann!"

*pause*

Bro Jake:

"REALLY."

*pause*

Pratt:

"Are they going to do it?"

Botchford:

"You draft Dubois -- you draft Dubois, you're, you're, you're -- bring him in as a center, you trade McCann. *pause* I mean, that's what you'd have to do if you want a top-four; I don't, I don't see any other scenario where you're gonna get a top-four defenceman . . . myself."

Pratt:

"Okay, in the meantime then, let's, l-, l- . . ."

Bro Jake:

"WELL, how likely do you think that du-- that is?"

Botchford:

"Uh, I don't know if it's, if it's a likely scenario or not. Like, top four defenceman are very difficult to get. The prices are high. You know, you're going to have to trade a good player, normally a good young player, to get someone like that. Like, A LEGIT -- I mean, if we're talking like a legit -- *pause* you know, not a Sbisa . . ."

Pratt:

*giggle giggle giggle* ". . . not a Sbisa." /fade out

Botchford:

". . . who you hope one day can be a top four guy. Like, a legit top four defenceman who can step in and play the kind of minutes that Dan Hamhuis coul-- has played. That's . . ."

Bro Jake:

". . . LIKE A SHATTENKIRK?"

Botchford:

" . . . the kind of player that they're talking . . . about. And, you know, you're going to have to have a package, you know, that's going to be really significant. When you look up and down that roster, they're really not a lot of options to make that happen."

Pratt:

". . . which really gets us to the whole thing with Dan Hamhoos."

 

[ginner classic]

Im starting to think #16 should be available.

 

[TruGr1t]

The problem with that entire line of thinking is that Dubois could very likely go at #4. That sort of shortsightedness seems pretty characteristic of management though. I wonder how Benning's tune will change if he misses out on PLD.

 

[BeardyCanuck03]

I don't think the Oilers pick another Center. Tkachuk just showed really well at the memorial cup and the oilers are in desperate need of top end young dmen. If the Oilers don't go with one of Tkachuk/Juolevi/Chelychrun I'd be very surprised.

 

[TruGr1t]

I don't think the Oilers pick another Center. Tkachuk just showed really well at the memorial cup and the oilers are in desperate need of top end young dmen. If the Oilers don't go with one of Tkachuk/Juolevi/Chelychrun I'd be very surprised.

Trading RNH+ for defensive help actually makes sense for them, and a future core of McDavid/Draisaitl/Dubois looks pretty awesome to me. I suspect it's either pick Dubois at 4 and trade RNH+ for a d-man, OR trade the 4th OA in a package for a young d-man. Then it comes down to whether the team on the other end of the trade likes Tkachuk more than PLD. That's really the only scenario I see us getting Dubois.

 

[BeardyCanuck03]

Trading RNH+ for defensive help actually makes sense for them, and a future core of McDavid/Draisaitl/Dubois looks pretty awesome to me. I suspect it's either pick Dubois at 4 and trade RNH+ for a d-man, OR trade the 4th OA in a package for a young d-man. Then it comes down to whether the team on the other end of the trade likes Tkachuk more than PLD.

Even if they trade RNH for defense help I think they lean towards Tkachuk as they need someone like him more than another Center.

 

[TruGr1t]

Brief comments this morning by McKenzie on Tkachuk and the top five: https://soundcloud.com/tsn-radio-vancouver/mckenzie-matthew-tkachuk-is-as-advertised

Starts at around 7m10s.

 

[M2Beezy]

Tkachuck is now clearly heads and tales above Dubois getting close to AINEC but thats ok i really like Dubois too. In two years

Lucic Dubois Boeser
Baertchi Borvat Virtanen
Sedin Sedin Hansen
Etem Gaunce Dorset

 

[canwincup]

Tkachuck is now clearly heads and tales above Dubois getting close to AINEC but thats ok i really like Dubois too. In two years

Lucic Dubois Boeser
Baertchi Borvat Virtanen
Sedin Sedin Hansen
Etem Gaunce Dorset

Can you give us your reasons on why you think that? [MOD]

 

[fancouver]

Can you give us your reasons on why you think that? [MOD]

See: OHL playoff scoring race

 

[canwincup]

See: OHL playoff scoring race

Looking at stats is always a good way to evaluate players!!

 

[TruGr1t]

Button said today he now thinks (following the Memorial Cup) Tkachuk could play in the NHL next year: https://soundcloud.com/tsn-radio-va...t-hoping-sutter-was-more-than-3rd-line-centre

 

[canwincup]

Button said today he now thinks (following the Memorial Cup) Tkachuk could play in the NHL next year.

I would personally want him to spend a year in junior to improve his skating.

 

[mrmyheadhurts]

Button said today he now thinks (following the Memorial Cup) Tkachuk could play in the NHL next year.

He probably could but I'm not sure if I would actually do it. I think the pace would be too much for him at this stage of his development. With young guys you can see a lot of gains over one summer but pace of play is an area that I would worry about. Can't really go to the gym for that.

Cole Cassels gave me a similar impression; it wasn't his speed that bothered me (look at Bonino), it was his pace of play. There are things you can get away with in JR that will get you in a heap of trouble, even at the AHL level. Cole could slow the game down to his pace at the JR level and give himself time to make plays, can't really do that in the pros.

Of course Tkachuk is a far more impressive prospect, so it's possible he could adjust and his strengths may makeup for some of his weaknesses but I think he's in for a rude awakening come training camp.

It was McCann's ability to make quick decisions and smart plays with the puck that allowed him to make the team last season; his top speed wasn't elite but his quickness, pace of play and the fact that he was a very smart player which allowed him to overcome his size and strengths issues, at least for the first few months or so... aaaaand I've upset myself.

 

[Szechwan]

I wouldn't be upset but needs-wise we need Dubois way more. A legit 1C would be huge for this org.

 

[CanaFan]

He probably could but I'm not sure if I would actually do it. I think the pace would be too much for him at this stage of his development. With young guys you can see a lot of gains over one summer but pace of play is an area that I would worry about. Can't really go to the gym for that.

Cole Cassels gave me a similar impression; it wasn't his speed that bothered me (look at Bonino), it was his pace of play. There are things you can get away with in JR that will get you in a heap of trouble, even at the AHL level. Cole could slow the game down to his pace at the JR level and give himself time to make plays, can't really do that in the pros.

Of course Tkachuk is a far more impressive prospect, so it's possible he could adjust and his strengths may makeup for some of his weaknesses but I think he's in for a rude awakening come training camp.

It was McCann's ability to make quick decisions and smart plays with the puck that allowed him to make the team last season; his top speed wasn't elite but his quickness, pace of play and the fact that he was a very smart player which allowed him to overcome his size and strengths issues, at least for the first few months or so... aaaaand I've upset myself.

I don't think Tkachuk really fits the "slow play down" MO though. He plays with pace and makes very quick, smart plays in heavy traffic and with minimal space. He certainly doesn't need much space or time to make the plays he does, which is why I think he's on a totally different level than Cassels despite some similarities in their tools. His skating could use some work but that is not the same as saying he doesn't play with pace because he certainly does.

 

[The Drop]

Even if they trade RNH for defense help I think they lean towards Tkachuk as they need someone like him more than another Center.

Dubois is also a winger. And has played more wing in his career