Prospect Info: Matthew Tkachuk or PL Dubois (Round 3)

[GetFocht]

Dubois can play LW if he needs to, I would rather have Lucic-Dubois than Lucic-Tkachuk.

Dubois is has 2 inches and 20lbs over Tkachuk.

Friedman was on the radio this morning and confirmed that Tkachuk is seen as the no.4 guy now, meaning we are more than likely going to end up with Dubois.

 

[Trelane]

It's a rare instance where the two players are so close you can look at who is a better "fit" for your team a year from now, make a decision on that basis and not think yourself stupid for doing so.

Edmonton as enough so-called drivers. McJesus and Hall are elite but they don't mesh as well together as some other combinations so they'll probably be on separate lines. Drai, Nuge and Eberle are similarly oriented, or puck hogs by another name, and only one of them is going to get traded along with Yak. Net front presence, board battling, puck retrieval, and proven ability to tailor your game to compliment elite linemates is a need. Even with a stiff 30% Marner penalty Tkachuk's playoffs performance puts Bo's to shame. Our long term centre needs are obvious with the departure of McCann.

I think it's at least possible JB asked, and got a reply, who Chia likes in the event they're not trading their pick. Not buying that they were in on Gudbranson because they need a point producer or a Schultz replacement more than a stay at home type. So no rifts.

 

[ChilliBilly]

Trade for 4th and draft both

I think a realistic value for that would be Hutton, Brisbois and our 2017 2nd. Which i personally think would be a very tough call for the Canucks ....

 

[banme*]

i dont even care at this point

Thanks, was curious.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Dubois can play LW if he needs to, I would rather have Lucic-Dubois than Lucic-Tkachuk.

Dubois is has 2 inches and 20lbs over Tkachuk.

Friedman was on the radio this morning and confirmed that Tkachuk is seen as the no.4 guy now, meaning we are more than likely going to end up with Dubois.

That means nothing who Friedman says who he thinks is confirmed. Heck for all we know CBJ could feel Tkachuk is BPA at 3 and also juolevi is BPA at 4 for Oilers. ... things are always speculated but we never know

 

[y2kcanucks]

I think a realistic value for that would be Hutton, Brisbois and our 2017 2nd. Which i personally think would be a very tough call for the Canucks ....

That would hurt. A lot.

If we could talk them into Edler somehow, or Gudbranson, or Sbisa (possible that Chiarelli is an idiot too?) that would be ideal. I might still do the deal though.

Tkachuk-Dubois-Boeser has the potential to be an elite top line.

 

[fancouver]

Horvat-Dubois would be one of the toughest 1-2 center combo to play against in the league.

Center depth would be unreal in a few years:

Dubois - 70 pts
Horvat - 60 pts
Sutter - 40 pts
Granlund - 20 pts

 

[fancouver]

That would hurt. A lot.

If we could talk them into Edler somehow, or Gudbranson, or Sbisa (possible that Chiarelli is an idiot too?) that would be ideal. I might still do the deal though.

Tkachuk-Dubois-Boeser has the potential to be an elite top line.

Yep, that has 1st line written all over it. I see 100 goal output from that line.

Tkachuk - 30 goals, 40 assists
Dubois - 30 goals, 40 assists
Boeser - 40 goals, 20 assists

 

[Bad News Benning]

Center depth would be unreal in a few years:

Dubois - 70 pts
Horvat - 60 pts
Sutter - 40 pts
Granlund - 20 pts

I'd rather have Gaunce centering the 4th line over Granlund.

 

[Bad News Benning]

Yep, that has 1st line written all over it. I see 100 goal output from that line.

Tkachuk - 30 goals, 40 assists
Dubois - 30 goals, 40 assists
Boeser - 40 goals, 20 assists

I'd say Tkachuk is more of a 20-25 goal guy with 35-40 apples.
Dubois is about right if he develops.
Boeser is probably closer to 30-30 production. Might hit 40 goals or assists in the odd year.

Very few lines produce 100 goals as a line...it's just not something you see in today's NHL.

 

[fancouver]

I'd rather have Gaunce centering the 4th line over Granlund.

Yeah, he does fit the role better, but he's been playing LW since pro with the odd time at center. Not sure if the Canucks want him back at center?

 

[fancouver]

I'd say Tkachuk is more of a 20-25 goal guy with 35-40 apples.
Dubois is about right if he develops.
Boeser is probably closer to 30-30 production. Might hit 40 goals or assists in the odd year.

Very few lines produce 100 goals as a line...it's just not something you see in today's NHL.

I was implying their peak production, which is pretty conservative. No one on that line even hits PPG.

 

[y2kcanucks]

Yep, that has 1st line written all over it. I see 100 goal output from that line.

Tkachuk - 30 goals, 40 assists
Dubois - 30 goals, 40 assists
Boeser - 40 goals, 20 assists

Realistically we're looking at Hutton + 2017 1st round pick + another valuable asset. Maybe Hansen? Dunno.

But at this point it might be worth it. I'm very very high on Tkachuk.

 

[CanaFan]

That means nothing who Friedman says who he thinks is confirmed. Heck for all we know CBJ could feel Tkachuk is BPA at 3 and also juolevi is BPA at 4 for Oilers. ... things are always speculated but we never know

I don't think it means *nothing* as it obviously implies there is a general buzz around Tkachuk in the people he is talking to. Now that may not mean the Oilers are one of those teams but it would indicate it is more likely than if the buzz was around Dubois.

 

[WonderTwinsUnite]

Realistically we're looking at Hutton + 2017 1st round pick + another valuable asset. Maybe Hansen? Dunno.

But at this point it might be worth it. I'm very very high on Tkachuk.

As much as I like Tkachuk, and I do, that first rounder next year isn't on the table for anybody outside the top 2 of this draft class. With the way this team looks going into next year, especially if we deal one of the only sources of offense from our backend in Hutton, that pick is a damn near lock to be top 5.

 

[Yggdrasil]

we have horvat, PLD i dont think is elite #1 C at all. yes horvat is more potentially elite #2 C. same with PLD...so...

so we need a elite #1 C....

so im gonna go with matthew tkachuk whos a left winger and can be horvats main winger, and boeser on the right when he comes. since the sedins will stilll be here the next 3 years, guaranteed. so

2nd line of tkachuk horvat boeser in 2-3 years would be amazing.

3rd line would be shutdown line with bae + sutter + hansen.

4th line would be Etem Gaunce somebody else in the next 2-3 years. dorsett is way overpaid.

I wouldnt even know where virtenan would fit in, boeser is just simply the better sniper.

 

[y2kcanucks]

Question for those voting Dubois: what would Tkachuk have to had done in order for you to rank him higher? Going by the numbers, and from what I've seen of him, I don't know how you can rank him 5th or even lower (as some have).

 

[McHortton]

we have horvat, PLD i dont think is elite #1 C at all. yes horvat is more potentially elite #2 C. same with PLD...so...

so we need a elite #1 C....

so im gonna go with matthew tkachuk whos a left winger and can be horvats main winger, and boeser on the right when he comes. since the sedins will stilll be here the next 3 years, guaranteed. so

2nd line of tkachuk horvat boeser in 2-3 years would be amazing.

3rd line would be shutdown line with bae + sutter + hansen.

4th line would be Etem Gaunce somebody else in the next 2-3 years. dorsett is way overpaid.

I wouldnt even know where virtenan would fit in, boeser is just simply the better sniper.

Horvat
Sutter
Granlund
Gaunce

Is not something you'd want to go with in a couple years. Having 2 elite 2C is good enough , definitely worked for Boston with Bergeron - Krecji.

 

[McHortton]

Question for those voting Dubois: what would Tkachuk have to had done in order for you to rank him higher? Going by the numbers, and from what I've seen of him, I don't know how you can rank him 5th or even lower (as some have).

Pretty sure Tkachuk will end up being the more effective player, it's just the fact that Dubois has even a slim chance of being a #1 C , which is very tempting.

 

[TruGr1t]

Question for those voting Dubois: what would Tkachuk have to had done in order for you to rank him higher? Going by the numbers, and from what I've seen of him, I don't know how you can rank him 5th or even lower (as some have).

Yeah, it's a fair question. From what I can tell the reason many armchair scouts (read: fans) prefer PLD is mostly because he can play centre and wing, and has a "better defensive game." So apparently he projects as a better two-way player? I dunno ... I haven't watched either of them enough to comment. Having watched the Memorial Cup, however, it's hard not to hope we draft Tkachuk.

 

[Nucker101]

I think a realistic value for that would be Hutton, Brisbois and our 2017 2nd. Which i personally think would be a very tough call for the Canucks ....

Propose that to EDM fans...I'll bet 90% say no.

 

[Nucker101]

Question for those voting Dubois: what would Tkachuk have to had done in order for you to rank him higher? Going by the numbers, and from what I've seen of him, I don't know how you can rank him 5th or even lower (as some have).

Good question. Seems like his situation playing on that line is actually hurting his stock in a way since some will refuse to rank him higher than a guy who "drove the offense" for his line, which is understandable. But at the same time, would those same people be lower on Dubois if he played on a similarly talented line but put up more points?


It's a really interesting discussion.

 

[canwincup]

Question for those voting Dubois: what would Tkachuk have to had done in order for you to rank him higher? Going by the numbers, and from what I've seen of him, I don't know how you can rank him 5th or even lower (as some have).

Tkachuk's foot speed, not as good defensively, and he has less primary points than Dubois.

Tkachuk is a terrific prospect but I like Dubois game more because there's a chance he could become an elite two way centre at the next level, and I believe their offensive upside is similar.

 

[Canucks LB]

Anybody have more info on PLD, I am reading some people think he won't play as well in the NHL, mostly because of the league he is in are filled with small soft players, and won't be able to drive the net so easily.

Going from his highlights, most of the goals are power forward type goals.

 

[BerSTUzzi]

Question for those voting Dubois: what would Tkachuk have to had done in order for you to rank him higher? Going by the numbers, and from what I've seen of him, I don't know how you can rank him 5th or even lower (as some have).

The only thing that "slightly" has Dubois ahead of Tkachuk is the potential to be a center. That is the only separation in my mind between long term potential. Tkachuk will be a beauty though.