[Matthew Tkachuk] Leafs would be unbelievable if the team wasn't in Toronto

[Oilslick941611]

And then he beat the Oilers and got his name engraved on the cup.

Sure. But he wasn’t exactly leading the charge.

Gotta love posts like these. It’s like you basically saying my opinion is irrelevant because the oilers lost. As if I speak for the oilers.

 

[T REX]

Toronto isn't allowed to hit and inflict the same amount of pain the way Florida can. The entire leaf team would be suspended for enternity if they did. The league allows the panthers to injure and play dirty. Protect the goalies psssh. No hits to the head psssh.

Go enjoy your beach parade with your 10 fans.

Yikes.

The state of Florida hockey isn't for the meek. Tampa then Florida...bottom.line is those teams and the Avs rolled 4 lines.

Toronto can't.

Sorry

 

[ashs]

Yikes.

The state of Florida hockey isn't for the meek. Tampa then Florida...bottom.line is those teams and the Avs rolled 4 lines.

Toronto can't.

Sorry

Maybe but we will never know because your teams dirty plays taking out other teams stars and no reaction from the league

 

[Dirty Mind]

And then he beat the Oilers and got his name engraved on the cup.

Yeah the Panthers beat the Oilers last year congrats! Enjoy the last year of Miami pretending they like hockey.

 

[TheDoldrums]

I don't think I know any other fanbase that would boo their own team during during a game 7 with the score 1-4 with like 17 minutes left. It's not a normal situation.

This isn’t a normal situation either



When the Leafs lost to Washington in 2017, the fans gave them a standing ovation. They don’t want to hate the team. They’ve been mercilessly beaten down by brutal loss after brutal loss with the most unlikeable core of stars the league has seen, who always save their worst for the most important moments. You’d have to be lacking all humanity to not be changed by the many disappointments over the years.

If this exact set of circumstances played out in any big passionate hockey market, the response would be similar. But literally no other team comes close. They’re either too bad to ever get in these games or good enough to win them every once in awhile at least.

 

[algernon]

The highs are also higher.

If you win, you would want to win in Toronto because you will live like a king for the rest of your life.

How old are you? How can you be sure that a hypothetical Stanley Cup winner would be treated well in Toronto? Is there any living examples?

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

This isn’t a normal situation either



When the Leafs lost to Washington in 2017, the fans gave them a standing ovation. They don’t want to hate the team. They’ve been mercilessly beaten down by brutal loss after brutal loss with the most unlikeable core of stars the league has seen, who always save their worst for the most important moments. You’d have to be lacking all humanity to not be changed by the many disappointments over the years.

If this exact set of circumstances played out in any big passionate hockey market, the response would be similar. But literally no other team comes close. They’re either too bad to ever get in these games or good enough to win them every once in awhile at least.

Until they win a cup, or at least make it to the ECF, it will only get worse. They're not going to get less pissed, unless they blow up the team and go for a scorched earth rebuild.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

How old are you? How can you be sure that a hypothetical Stanley Cup winner would be treated well in Toronto? Is there any living examples?

Do you think they would be treated poorly for winning a cup?

Maybe I am misunderstanding what you're trying to say.

My opinion is based on what I have experienced around the city. I know how many ads and attention Toronto legends get around town. These are guys who didn't even win a cup.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

Just an epic troll job by Tkachuk and Maurice.

 

[NyQuil]

 

[Thierry]

I mean... why not. Are they suppose to stay in their own filth for a month? There are many problems with that core, but what's done is done, I don't see the problem here.

 

[GQS]

I agree to an extent. Teams like Vancouver and Toronto have toxic media that I think it affect their teams psychologically. There are reasons why some players avoid going there. The media pressure is the worst and I think it jinxes the team due to negative energy and bad vibes. For example, Canucks have gotten rid of Miller to remove the feud that was happening between Pettersson and Miller yet the Media still writes articles about how Pettersson drama still aint over or articles of Hughes leaving is pretty much a guarantee.

I think this is largely BS. The whole too much media attention/too much pressure in Toronto or other Canadian markets is mostly just an excuse to disguise the real reason why many players don't want to play in Canada which is more likely they prefer to stay in the US than play in Canada where the weather is generally worse, the standard of living is often worse and taxes can be higher and you have to cross a border between nations.

If you're a rich and especially a rich, young athlete its definitely better to live in the US or elsewhere than Canada these days. Its the same reason why the Raptors in their entire history has never been able to attract a star free agent player in their prime to their team and the same goes for the Jays who usually lose out on the best players in free agency who always choose a US team to sign with.

Also its weird to me that hockey players, at least some of them are the only athletes that think that having the spotlight and media attention on you is a BAD THING. In any other sport most athletes WANT that attention and they WANT to be 'the man' that garners the most media coverage about them.

 

[SharksFan1992]

The NHL honestly would be in a way better place if Toronto in another hypothetical universe, had all the historic best players playing for their franchise history.

Imagine if Howe or Orr were Leafs. Maybe the culture would be better instead of the half ass BS you see now.

Wasn't this how things were pre-expansion? Habs won so many Cup because they basically horded the best French-Canadian players.

 

[Kimota]

Yea I bet you are so happy Tkachuk playing in Florida in front of nobody and a couple of tourists. They win a cup and I'm betting they still don't know who you are. They'll forget about this "cup" the next day. It's like screaming in a forrest.

I'm cheering for the Habs and I don't even think the Toronto environment is that bad, really. They should have tore these guys a new hole a long time ago. Shanahan has never been in danger of losing his job. Picture this, Florida had to change things up by getting Tkachuk to win the cup but the Leafs kept these same bozos for years expecting a different result. You don't think that would make any fanbase go nuts that the same thing happens with the same guys? There was no accountability in management. They are to blame. Ownership never punished Shanahan and he never found any problems in his players. He should have changed them a long time ago. Just like Florida did.

Bad owners, Bad Management, Bad players. Nothing to do with fans or media.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

The pressure would be off their backs that's for sure.

 

[NYRnine94]

Toronto loves their hockey team, that's not a bad thing. Players have to perform period. Not everybody plays in a city where more than half the "fanbase" didn't even know the team existed up until a few years ago Matt. It happens.

 

[pb1300]

Toronto isn't allowed to hit and inflict the same amount of pain the way Florida can. The entire leaf team would be suspended for enternity if they did. The league allows the panthers to injure and play dirty. Protect the goalies psssh. No hits to the head psssh.

Go enjoy your beach parade with your 10 fans.

Trash take. Toronto is unable to "inflict the same amount of pain" because they are SOFT! They are LOSERS! Their leaders are more worried about doing dances, fashion, and money, rather than doing what it takes to win playoff games and rounds. ZERO dogs on that team. Soft ass Charmin team. Come back to us when your players finish checks like Samoskevich and Verhaeghe, aside from Barkov, Bennett, Tkachuk, Reinhart, Lundell, Luosto, Rodrigues, etc.

And yes, we will enjoy our 10 fans parade in a tropical storm, while Matthews and the boys have their annual trip to Pulpit Golf Club. Losers!

 

[TeamRenzo]

Not that bad, but main point is its clear advantage being capable to walking around and living normal life without any distractions. Players in those cities will benefit with ability to focus better.

So that logic only applies in hockey and not other pro sports or is the answer more likely that they are mental midgets?

 

[GrumpyKoala]

Time to rebrand as the Maple L

 

[behemolari]

So that logic only applies in hockey and not other pro sports or is the answer more likely that they are mental midgets?

I don't know if any other sports is tilted like that, in Florida nobody knows who you are (example Barkov have said he enjoys this a lot) versus Toronto or Montreal where you are constantly interrupted and pressure is high (many captains have mentioned this for example Koivu), maybe they are mental midgets, maybe every person is limited that way.

 

[Ratsreign]

Yea I bet you are so happy Tkachuk playing in Florida in front of nobody and a couple of tourists. They win a cup and I'm betting they still don't know who you are. They'll forget about this "cup" the next day. It's like screaming in a forrest.

This is just another example in this thread of the condescending attitude that will never leave some Canadian fans. I guess it’s all you have left after watching your teams habitually losIng to teams from FL Do you not realize how childish this tripe sounds. “Wah, Wah, Wah we have more fans than you nanny nanny boo boo!”
I’m really trying to figure out the reason(s) why hockey may is so much more entrenched up north. It’s so hard to understand!!

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

What pressure? The entire team is getting away from this scott free , only Marner is taking any real heat , they protect AM34 like crazy in the media it's hilarious

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

This is just another example in this thread of the condescending attitude that will never leave some Canadian fans. I guess it’s all you have left after watching your teams habitually losIng to teams from FL Do you not realize how childish this tripe sounds. “Wah, Wah, Wah we have more fans than you nanny nanny boo boo!”
I’m really trying to figure out the reason(s) why hockey may is so much more entrenched up north. It’s so hard to understand!!

Nothing he said was false , it does come off as a little bit salty though but it's true that winning in FL compared to a canadian market is not comparable in terms of glory , not sure Tkachuk cares , a win is a win and his name is on the cup

 

[pb1300]

Nothing he said was false , it does come off as a little bit salty though but it's true that winning in FL compared to a canadian market is not comparable in terms of glory , not sure Tkachuk cares , a win is a win and his name is on the cup

It absolutely is. The Panthers won in front of nobody and a bunch of tourists? When they are a winning team, which is the past few years, and few and far between previously, the building was packed, even as the arena is one of the largest in the league. The Panthers were near capacity in weekday games in the middle of the season, against terrible teams. For the first time in history, the Panthers have a wiaiting list for season tickets, 2 years running now.

So what he is saying is bullshit, condescending, and the same crap we heard when we were bad in the past. But when teams are bad in Canada, and the fan base is less than 1000%, they get a pass because its a team in Canada.

 

[Kennerback]

Is it really that bad? Their season is over. They’ve had a couple of days to grieve. At some point they need to get on with their lives.