Matthew Knies nominated for the Hobey Baker Award

[LeafsNation75]

I’m not going to get into a back and forth with you again. But there’s no proof of that. We have no idea what the conversation was. It could have been what you suggested or maybe Dubas brought the idea of trading back to the table. Or maybe one of our scouts did because there were multiple players they liked available.

It likely wasn’t a Hunter decision or Dubas decision solely.

In a previous episode of The Leaf: Blueprint, there is a part if you skip ahead to the 6:47 when Shanahan says Hunter was doing selections for the 2015 draft and Dubas was responsible for getting him more picks via trades.

 

[Menzinger]

 

[BallardEra]

Dubas is cooking up something big.

 

[kb]

In a previous episode of The Leaf: Blueprint, there is a part if you skip ahead to the 6:47 when Shanahan says Hunter was doing selections for the 2015 draft and Dubas was responsible for getting him more picks via trades.

Thank you. I knew I had seen it somewhere. Just didn't remember where.

 

[BallardEra]

 

[LeafsNation75]

Thank you. I knew I had seen it somewhere. Just didn't remember where.

I remember when a former Maple Leafs fan tried to blame Dubas for trading down and not selecting Travis Konecny and I had to tell him multiple times it was Mark Hunter who passed on him because he had the final call on who the Leafs drafted.

 

[francis246]

In a previous episode of The Leaf: Blueprint, there is a part if you skip ahead to the 6:47 when Shanahan says Hunter was doing selections for the 2015 draft and Dubas was responsible for getting him more picks via trades.

That doesn’t really answer one way or the other. It doesn’t really tell us who may have initiated the trade down lol.

There’s so many scenarios. Hunter could have said we should pick Konecny but the scouting team could have said let’s trade back and get more value or Dubas could have gotten a call and presented to him or Hunter could have said let’s move the pick don’t love Konecny or he’s similar to Marner. We’ll never know. Could have been anyone. (Again as I said KB is saying that Hunter is to blame, I don’t think it’s one persons fault. It was more than likely a joint decision)

And that’s exactly what I mentioned Dubas was in charge of trading and negotiating picks and Hunter was in charge of drafting/selections.

 

[LeafsNation75]

That doesn’t really answer one way or the other. It doesn’t really tell us who may have initiated the trade down lol.

There’s so many scenarios. Hunter could have said we should pick Konecny but the scouting team could have said let’s trade back and get more value or Dubas could have gotten a call and presented to him or Hunter could have said let’s move the pick don’t love Konecny or he’s similar to Marner. We’ll never know. Could have been anyone. (Again as I said KB is saying that Hunter is to blame, I don’t think it’s one persons fault. It was more than likely a joint decision)

And that’s exactly what I mentioned Dubas was in charge of trading and negotiating picks and Hunter was in charge of drafting/selections.

There was reports that Mike Babcock wanted to draft Noah Hanifin instead of Marner. So, if Hunter didn't listen to him, why would he have listened to Dubas advice if he thought they should have selected Konecny? If Hunter did want to draft him, do you really think Dubas would have traded down from 24th to 29th overall, knowing the Flyers were going to select him.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Fine, my point is that any money you spent on the Leafs, you've already got what you spent it on. The Leafs owe you nothing more. The fact that you bought a game ticket or a jersey or some silly piece of merchandise has very little connection with what the Leafs decide to do.

No.

You're wrong.

Tanenbaum's own words: "The Toronto Maple Leafs are a PUBLIC TRUST with the greatest fan base in the world".

It appears Tanenbaum is a hypocrite. He's forgotten about those things that he said. Now the public doesn't trust him anymore.

It may not be a financial investment.

But it is an emotional investment. People are spending a lot of money supporting this team. Those jersey's cost hundreds of dollars. People wear them with pride.

Do you not have any pride for your home team?

I've been a fan of this team my while life. I've followed them closely for years. I can't even count how much money ice spent supporting them. As far as I'm concerned that gives me the right to complain. I'm not getting what I paid for.

I paid for steak and got ground beef.

 

[francis246]

There was reports that Mike Babcock wanted to draft Noah Hanifin instead of Marner. So, if Hunter didn't listen to him, why would he have listened to Dubas advice if he thought they should have selected Konecny? If Hunter did want to draft him, do you really think Dubas would have traded down from 24th to 29th overall, knowing the Flyers were going to select him.

I don’t think any draft selection is really black or white. There are discussions that happen and disagreements that happen all the time. I’m sure there were scouts and people in Management who wanted Konecny but the leafs cupboard was thin so trading back was probably a better decision for the organization.

I don’t think the conversation necessarily went, “I don’t want Konecny let’s trade the pick”. It was probably more of, “we can have this guy and be okay or we can probably pick up a similarly rated player if we move down and grab another player if the right deal presents itself, what do you guys think” and obviously they came to the decision to take the extra picks. Again it was probably a discussion among everyone to decide. I don’t care either way, the leafs botched the picks following. It’s more so I don’t think you can blame one person for that decision.

 

[LeafsNation75]

I don’t think any draft selection is really black or white. There are discussions that happen and disagreements that happen all the time. I’m sure there were scouts and people in Management who wanted Konecny but the leafs cupboard was thin so trading back was probably a better decision for the organization.

Dubas kept trading back because Hunter wanted to select Travis Dermott, so I'm assuming that he thought they could get him early in the 2nd round, which is exactly what happened. He was selected 34th overall, after trading the 29th pick to Columbus.

 

[Judas Tavares]

Do you not have any pride for your home team?

In this case, yes I do. Whether they go 82-0-0 and win the Cup or the go 0-82-0 and then lose the lottery. The second scenario sucks, but it doesn't change the pride. I'll still come back. If I don't want to come back, I can go spend big money on a Kraken jersey if that makes me happier.

 

[banks]

The Hobey Baker doesn't mean all that much. But being nominated for the award is better than not being nominated.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

@ Judas Tavares

I'm sorry, but that's not something to be proud of.

That's why the team keeps losing. There's no pressure to win. They have the financial wherewithal from the support of fans that accept losing.

Wear that badge of shame with honor.

Respect in the handshake lineup. That's good reason to hold you're head up high. Winning isn't everything.

Losing is.

And this team is a bunch of losers. How can I say that? Because they haven't won anything.

There's no honour in losing.

Nothing to be proud of there. I'm sorry but there just isn't. If you're proud of making Rogers, Bell, and Tanenbaum even richer then good on you.

Maybe that makes you a better person than I am.

I dont't know. What I do know is that I'm not proud to be a loyal supporter of this team anymore. I'm actually ashamed of allowing myself to be hoodwinked and brainwashed into believing for all these years as it is.

Good enough isn't good enough anymore.

It never should have been in the first place.

 

[rojac]

No.

You're wrong.

Tanenbaum's own words: "The Toronto Maple Leafs are a PUBLIC TRUST with the greatest fan base in the world".

It appears Tanenbaum is a hypocrite. He's forgotten about those things that he said. Now the public doesn't trust him anymore.

It may not be a financial investment.

But it is an emotional investment. People are spending a lot of money supporting this team. Those jersey's cost hundreds of dollars. People wear them with pride.

Do you not have any pride for your home team?

I've been a fan of this team my while life. I've followed them closely for years. I can't even count how much money ice spent supporting them. As far as I'm concerned that gives me the right to complain. I'm not getting what I paid for.

I paid for steak and got ground beef.

I suspect Tannenbaum was just telling people what they want to hear, just like any team official or player does.

I’ve followed the Leafs for over 50 years and I’m not sure I was that naive when I was 10 years old. I honestly can‘t remember ever thinking of a sports team as anything other than a business to makes its owners money. And to be honest, I don‘t think I’ve ever looked at a team as representing a city, just based there. If anything, i think of team as representing their owners.

it’s always fun to see a team I follow do well, but to be honest, if they don’t, it’s a little disappointing but really no big deal. If they’re a complete embarrassment, it’s no skin off my ass, but I might dissociate myself from them in public — maybe even in private,

And I’m sorry when you buy a jersey for hundreds of dollars, you’re still just paying for a piece of clothing. Basically, it’s no different than people who pay hundreds of dollars for a pair of shoes.

 

[rojac]

@ Judas Tavares

I'm sorry, but that's not something to be proud of.

That's why the team keeps losing. There's no pressure to win. They have the financial wherewithal from the support of fans that accept losing.

Wear that badge of shame with honor.

Respect in the handshake lineup. That's good reason to hold you're head up high. Winning isn't everything.

Losing is.

And this team is a bunch of losers. How can I say that? Because they haven't won anything.

There's no honour in losing.

Nothing to be proud of there. I'm sorry but there just isn't. If you're proud of making Rogers, Bell, and Tanenbaum even richer then good on you.

Maybe that makes you a better person than I am.

I dont't know. What I do know is that I'm not proud to be a loyal supporter of this team anymore. I'm actually ashamed of allowing myself to be hoodwinked and brainwashed into believing for all these years as it is.

Good enough isn't good enough anymore.

It never should have been in the first place.

If you’re unhappy being a Leafs fan, STOP being a Leafs fan. Seems simple enough.

 

[kb]

If you’re unhappy being a Leafs fan, STOP being a Leafs fan. Seems simple enough.

I mean....yeah, the answer is obvious. That poster needs to find a new team or new sport. Perhaps knitting?

Or possibly it's just another in a huge line of tr*lls coming from other boards with alt accounts that only seem to be allowed to get traction in the Leafs forum.

Any other team, and they get the permanent boot ASAP.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

If you’re unhappy being a Leafs fan, STOP being a Leafs fan. Seems simple enough.

Sorry I don't fan the way you think I should fan.

When you buy a jersey you aren't just buying another article of clothing and you know it. You are buying something with an emblem on it. A badge that you wear with honour. That says TORONTO Maple Leafs.

You wear that jersey with your head held high.

Whether you are five or fifty five the feeling is still the same. You get that lump in your throat. Tears in your eyes.

All those good memories come flooding back to you.

I'm sorry, I have emotional attachment to my hometown team. To me it's not just another over the counter product you purchase and throw away after you are done with it. If that's how you feel then maybe you should be the one looking for a new team.

You clearly don't care about them and you say so yourself.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

I mean....yeah, the answer is obvious. That poster needs to find a new team or new sport. Perhaps knitting?

Or possibly it's just another in a huge line of tr*lls coming from other boards with alt accounts that only seem to be allowed to get traction in the Leafs forum.

Any other team, and they get the permanent boot ASAP.

Be a man and say what you got to say directly to me.

Maybe you need to find a new favourite team. If you actually cared about this team you would be protesting them wasting the primes of the generational talent that make up the core. For anyone who doesn't like the way their favourite team has been run these last five years, now is the time to say something. The Dubas regime has never been weaker.

This lame duck GM's goose is about to be cooked.

 

[rojac]

Sorry I don't fan the way you think I should fan.

When you buy a jersey you aren't just buying another article of clothing and you know it. You are buying something with an emblem on it. A badge that you wear with honour. That says TORONTO Maple Leafs.

You wear that jersey with your head held high.

Whether you are five or fifty five the feeling is still the same. You get that lump in your throat. Tears in your eyes.

All those good memories come flooding back to you.

I'm sorry, I have emotional attachment to my hometown team. To me it's not just another over the counter product you purchase and throw away after you are done with it. If that's how you feel then maybe you should be the one looking for a new team.

You clearly don't care about them and you say so yourself.

But that’s an association that you’ve added to the jersey, not an innate property of it. It’s no different than paying too much for something like a jacket that reminds you of your father and wearing It proudly. That association is not there for anyone else buying the jacket.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

But that’s an associated thst you’ve added to the jersey, not an innate property of it.

Why would I spend hundreds of dollars on an article of clothing if it wasn't for the Maple Leaf in the front?

I buy most of my clothes from the Salvation Army. I'm not a rich man. So when I shell out hundreds of dollars on a jersey for my kid or myself, it's an investment.

It's not a hoodie or even a favourite pair of jeans.

It's a jersey. With the Toronto Maple Leafs emblem on it. My son has a Rielly and Matthews jersey that he wears every game.

Every single game he puts one on.

That's honouring the team. That's respecting the sweater. That's what it means to be a fan of the Toronto Maple Leafs.

I'm sorry I just don't see it the same way you do.

To me it's more than just another cotton fabric sweater.

 

[darrylsittler27]

If you’re unhappy being a Leafs fan, STOP being a Leafs fan. Seems simple enough.

Many have and many more will after this years playoffs. The Leafs are looking like a suckers play, all hopium ,no delivery. I think I have watched 1 game this year. I have lost interest until the playoffs.

 

[notbias]

Many have and many more will after this years playoffs. The Leafs are looking like a suckers play, all hopium ,no delivery. I think I have watched 1 game this year. I have lost interest until the playoffs.

You have a lot of opinions about the current roster for someone who doesn't watch it. Why?

 

[Menzinger]

This thread is about Knies. Further off topic posts will be removed

 

[darrylsittler27]

You have a lot of opinions about the current roster for someone who doesn't watch it. Why?

My only interest is how they will do in the playoffs now. We know they are a regular season team and Dubas is on thin ice. That interests me, what happens next? I think this franchise is a lot furthur from a cup but we will see what TD brings. Dont like it? Too bad. many of us are on the sidelines and dont think this team will go far.

This thread is about Knies. Further off topic posts will be removed

When does he arrive, we need help.