Matthew Knies nominated for the Hobey Baker Award

[Hellcat]

What are the Leafs looking for? A power forward LW. Cap relief.

He's a power forward LW with cap control for years.

Seems kinda foolish to include him in any TDL, no?

How would Toronto look next year with, not sure how the cap would work with Bunting due a raise but that does look like a interesting top 6:

Meier-Matthews-Marner
Knies-Tavares-Nylander

 

[kb]

What are the Leafs looking for? A power forward LW. Cap relief.

He's a power forward LW with cap control for years.

Seems kinda foolish to include him in any TDL, no?

How would Toronto look next year with, not sure how the cap would work with Bunting due a raise but that does look like a interesting top 6:

Meier-Matthews-Marner
Knies-Tavares-Nylander

Let Bunting walk with that top-6. If Knies can replicate the Hyman role, this is a stacked top-6.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Awesome. Likely not the winner but a great nomination.

Leafs would be wise to not trade him

The Leafs should do whatever makes this team better.

 

[kb]

The Leafs should do whatever makes this team better.

ELC contracts make this team better when the margins are razor thin.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

ELC contracts make this team better when the margins are razor thin.

If there is a player out there with term that makes this team better, like a Travis Konecy for example then you trade Matthew Knies

 

[ULF_55]

If there is a player out there with term that makes this team better, like a Travis Konecy for example then you trade Matthew Knies

Definitely, you do whatever makes your team better, while keeping in mind you have to play again next year.

Especially when you know the Leafs can ice a dogpoop team and still make money.

But also need to know when to take your shot.

Leafs could draft another 21 players and not get another Knies.
How many players like Knies do we recall?
Maybe Burke's Biggs was the last attempt?

 

[Niagara Bill]

The Leafs should do whatever makes this team better.

I agree 100%, adding a 3rd line winger who can skate, play the body, has size is needed in a playoff round. Knies could be that guy. No sense trading him for that type of player.
Everyone thinks we need a second or first line guy. What I think we need is 3rd line who can PLAY and major role.
However, I am sure I could not trust the evaluation on a big body guy by Dubas and Keefe.
By that I mean these clowns may trade away the exact player we need for a marginally acceptable player (remember Foligno).
It is really strange that the Marlies are having a GREAT season and not one player can make the jump.
Not one Marlie has joined this team and made an impact for more than a couple of periods.

 

[kb]

If there is a player out there with term that makes this team better, like a Travis Konecy for example then you trade Matthew Knies

Agree to disagree. I make the deal without him. There's more than enough pieces to get it done without Knies IMO.

 

[Mess]

If there is a player out there with term that makes this team better, like a Travis Konecy for example then you trade Matthew Knies

FWIW:

If Dubas hadn't traded back in the 2015 draft the Leafs could have drafted Travis Konecny with their own pick at #24 overall instead of ending up with nothing in Travis Dermott, Jeremy Bracco, and Martins Dzierkals by trading back several times..

Flyers Traded • 2015 first round pick (#29-Gabriel Carlsson) • 2015 second round pick (#61-Jeremy Bracco) to Maple Leafs for • 2015 first round pick (#24-Travis Konecny) on 2015-06-26
Blue Jackets Traded • 2015 second round pick (#34-Travis Dermott) • 2015 third round pick (#68-Martins Dzierkals) to Maple Leafs for • 2015 first round pick (#29-Gabriel Carlsson) on 2015-06-26

Now were talking about trading our best prospect.

 

[ULF_55]

FWIW:

If Dubas hadn't traded back in the 2015 draft the Leafs could have drafted Travis Konecny with their own pick at #24 overall instead of ending up with nothing in Travis Dermott, Jeremy Bracco, and Martins Dzierkals by trading back several times..

Flyers Traded • 2015 first round pick (#29-Gabriel Carlsson) • 2015 second round pick (#61-Jeremy Bracco) to Maple Leafs for • 2015 first round pick (#24-Travis Konecny) on 2015-06-26
Blue Jackets Traded • 2015 second round pick (#34-Travis Dermott) • 2015 third round pick (#68-Martins Dzierkals) to Maple Leafs for • 2015 first round pick (#29-Gabriel Carlsson) on 2015-06-26

Now were talking about trading our best prospect.

I've heard Dubas has said there are some who are not on the table.

Posters however can trade away to their heart's content.

 

[kb]

FWIW:

If Dubas hadn't traded back in the 2015 draft the Leafs could have drafted Travis Konecny with their own pick at #24 overall instead of ending up with nothing in Travis Dermott, Jeremy Bracco, and Martins Dzierkals by trading back several times..

Flyers Traded • 2015 first round pick (#29-Gabriel Carlsson) • 2015 second round pick (#61-Jeremy Bracco) to Maple Leafs for • 2015 first round pick (#24-Travis Konecny) on 2015-06-26
Blue Jackets Traded • 2015 second round pick (#34-Travis Dermott) • 2015 third round pick (#68-Martins Dzierkals) to Maple Leafs for • 2015 first round pick (#29-Gabriel Carlsson) on 2015-06-26

Now were talking about trading our best prospect.

FWIW, that tradeback was Hunter's call at the time. Dubas' job that day was to acquire more picks.

Let's start with a basis in truth and fact, and move forward from there.

 

[Mess]

I've heard Dubas has said there are some who are not on the table.

Posters however can trade away to their heart's content.

I personally wouldn't trade Knies, but I'm not so sure Dubas won't.

Knies and Leafs 1st are Leafs 2 best trade chips.

 

[francis246]

FWIW, that tradeback was Hunter's call. It was Dubas' job to acquire more picks.

Let's start with a basis in truth and fact, and move forward from there.

Link that it was hunters call? Dubas was the GM and there is video of Dubas taking that call.

Further more Dubas frequently trades back, I’m sure it was a joint decision but more on Dubas as that’s been his M.O. as a GM and he was the acting GM at the draft.

 

[kb]

Link that it was hunters call? Dubas was the GM and there is video of Dubas taking that call.

Further more Dubas frequently trades back, I’m sure it was a joint decision but more on Dubas as that’s been his M.O. as a GM and he was the acting GM at the draft.

Dubas was not the GM of the Leafs. Shanahan said that Hunter was in charge of the draft. Dubas was the one trading the draft picks, so it makes sense that he was on the phone.

Weird that someone being on the phone is your smoking gun.

 

[ULF_55]

I personally wouldn't trade Knies, but I'm not so sure Dubas won't.

Knies and Leafs 1st are Leafs 2 best trade chips.

Disagree on that.

Leafs 1st. is late, so they have some NHL players who are NHL players.
Sandin probably better than some player you're going to get at 27-32.
Liljegren is a top 12 pick, maybe better.
I'd say even Timmins looks better than a 30th. pick.

But if teams want to gamble, the Leafs 1st. would be on the table.

Again, Knies and their 1st. should be on the table if they could get a cost controlled top 6 forward.

Example, I'd use it for Meier if he could get signed to a 8*8, year 1 payment of $12-14mm.

Has the makings of a win-win.

 

[Hellcat]

I personally wouldn't trade Knies, but I'm not so sure Dubas won't.

Knies and Leafs 1st are Leafs 2 best trade chips.

Was Knies the reason why the Flury deal died? If so that might tell you Dubas opinion on Knies. Keep in mind how desperate we were at the time for a goalie and the deal still didn't go through. If multiple GMs are knockign on your door for the same prospect, as a GM you may want to pause and ask yourself why do multiple GM's want Knies.

Link that it was hunters call? Dubas was the GM and there is video of Dubas taking that call.

Further more Dubas frequently trades back, I’m sure it was a joint decision but more on Dubas as that’s been his M.O. as a GM and he was the acting GM at the draft.

I agree, as a leader you listen to all your Generals opinions, then you decide based on your experience which one makes the most sense. Even if it was hunters "ask" , in the end the final voice is the GM's.

 

[francis246]

Dubas was not the GM. He was the one trading the draft picks, so it makes sense that he was on the phone.

Weird that someone being on the phone is your smoking gun.

He was the Co-GM along side Mark Hunter. Their roles were very defined publicly. Hunter was to focus on drafting and scouting, Dubas was working trading and acquiring picks.

Likely it was a joint decision. I don’t think it was one person or the other.

 

[Hellcat]

Disagree on that.

Leafs 1st. is late, so they have some NHL players who are NHL players.
Sandin probably better than some player you're going to get at 27-32.
Liljegren is a top 12 pick, maybe better.
I'd say even Timmins looks better than a 30th. pick.

But if teams want to gamble, the Leafs 1st. would be on the table.

Again, Knies and their 1st. should be on the table if they could get a cost controlled top 6 forward.

Example, I'd use it for Meier if he could get signed to a 8*8, year 1 payment of $12-14mm.

Has the makings of a win-win.

Sandin is barely better than Mete or Benn... the guy is SOOOOO over rated ... he's this years version of Jake Gardiner.

 

[kb]

He was the Co-GM along side Mark Hunter. Their roles were very defined publicly. Hunter was to focus on drafting and scouting, Dubas was working trading and acquiring picks.

Likely it was a joint decision. I don’t think it was one person or the other.

As you stated, there was a clear division of duties. Hunter had the draft, he made the picks, and had the final say....Dubas' job was to make the best deal once Hunter told him he wanted more picks.

 

[Mess]

Was Knies the reason why the Flury deal died? If so that might tell you Dubas opinion on Knies. Keep in mind how desperate we were at the time for a goalie and the deal still didn't go through. If multiple GMs are knockign on your door for the same prospect, as a GM you may want to pause and ask yourself why do multiple GM's want Knies.

I'd be willing to bet every time Dubas picks up the phone to inquiry about a potential trade the opposing GM is quick to name drop Knies.

If the Leafs are looking to add an impact piece then his name will be in those discussions. IMO

Whether Knies remains a Leaf post trade deadline remains to be seen.

 

[francis246]

Was Knies the reason why the Flury deal died? If so that might tell you Dubas opinion on Knies. Keep in mind how desperate we were at the time for a goalie and the deal still didn't go through. If multiple GMs are knockign on your door for the same prospect, as a GM you may want to pause and ask yourself why do multiple GM's want Knies.



I agree, as a leader you listen to all your Generals opinions, then you decide based on your experience which one makes the most sense. Even if it was hunters "ask" , in the end the final voice is the GM's.

Exactly, there was definitely a discussion had as a group whether to stand pat and take Konecny or move down and acquire more picks. But at the end Dubas took the trade call and made it, Hunter made the selections. We all saw it on video lol. It’s on YouTube as well.

I agree I would not trade Knies. It’s just not worth it. He’ll be an excellent young player with term.

 

[ULF_55]

Sandin is barely better than Mete or Benn... the guy is SOOOOO over rated ... he's this years version of Jake Gardiner.

Sandin isn't even close to being in his prime.
Sandin same draft as Holmberg.
Verhaeghe was 25 when he got it.


Knies should not be traded lightly, but he's hardly untouchable.

Like all trades it's the return that matters.

 

[francis246]

As you stated, there was a clear division of duties. Hunter had the draft, he made the picks, and had the final say....Dubas' job was to make the best deal once Hunter told him he wanted more picks.

I’m not going to get into a back and forth with you again. But there’s no proof of that. We have no idea what the conversation was. It could have been what you suggested or maybe Dubas brought the idea of trading back to the table. Or maybe one of our scouts did because there were multiple players they liked available.

It likely wasn’t a Hunter decision or Dubas decision solely.

 

[kb]

I’m not going to get into a back and forth with you again. But there’s no proof of that. We have no idea what the conversation was. It could have been what you suggested or maybe Dubas brought the idea of trading back to the table. Or maybe one of our scouts did because there were multiple players they liked available.

It likely wasn’t a Hunter decision or Dubas decision solely.

Well, you are actually arguing against yourself, and what you posted.

 

[Leafs87]

Definitely, you do whatever makes your team better, while keeping in mind you have to play again next year.

Especially when you know the Leafs can ice a dogpoop team and still make money.

But also need to know when to take your shot.

Leafs could draft another 21 players and not get another Knies.
How many players like Knies do we recall?
Maybe Burke's Biggs was the last attempt?

One of the hardest players to draft is a Knies type and they’re usually not traded for good reason. The leafs biggest need is cap space and a PWF. Knies will be on a ELC for likely a playoff run plus 2 additional full seasons. I see very little reason to move him.