Value of: Matt Murray (with retention or for cap dump)

[Mike Jones]

Does he have too much term to go to a team like New Jersey? They need an NHL goalie right now.

 

[Groo]

Murray, Zaitsev and Pinto for E. Karlsson + A Hill

 

[yogibear]

No ty. Just go with Murray and Gus next year.
We need to stop the rotating doors and work with the goalies we have.

It’s been 4+ years that Murray is a below average goalie. Cut your loses if you can ASAP. Hoping for a full recovery is a huge gamble. I would like to see the odds for it.

 

[Mike Jones]

It’s been 4+ years that Murray is a below average goalie. Cut your loses if you can ASAP. Hoping for a full recovery is a huge gamble. I would like to see the odds for it.

He still has two years left with an annual cap hit of around $6 million - the Sens probably won't be able to move him at the deadline without some serious salary retention. Would ownership want to pay out that kind of money for Murray to be playing for another team?

 

[yogibear]

He still has two years left with an annual cap hit of around $6 million - the Sens probably won't be able to move him at the deadline without some serious salary retention. Would ownership want to pay out that kind of money for Murray to be playing for another team?

Buying out Murray is about 10 millions. If the retention is too high, there is no transaction.

 

[Mike Jones]

Buying out Murray is about 10 millions. If the retention is too high, there is no transaction.

If he keeps going like this maybe keeping him is better than the alternatives.

 

[yogibear]

If he keeps going like this maybe keeping him is better than the alternatives.

I feel that the Sens have seen enough of Murray to understand that it is unlikely that he stays healthy AND lives up to his remaining salary.

 

[dumbdick]

Murray, Zaitsev and Pinto for E. Karlsson + A Hill

That's a terrible trade for Ottawa.

 

[SensFactor]

Murray, Zaitsev and Pinto for E. Karlsson + A Hill

That Karlsson contract is killer sooner or later Sj will have to buy him out and take the hit.

 

[Mike Jones]

I feel that the Sens have seen enough of Murray to understand that it is unlikely that he stays healthy AND lives up to his remaining salary.

That is some complex situation going on there. Both of Ottawa's buyout 'slots' are being used for the next season or so.

Who's going to want this guy for two more years at $3 million (or whatever the retention is)?

 

[yogibear]

That is some complex situation going on there. Both of Ottawa's buyout 'slots' are being used for the next season or so.

Who's going to want this guy for two more years at $3 million (or whatever the retention is)?

No one.

 

[Groo]

That's a terrible trade for Ottawa.

Why is that?

 

[dumbdick]

Why is that?

Pinto. But honestly I doubt the sens would do Karl for Murray straight up. You're asking us to add substantially to a starting point that the team already wouldn't accept.

 

[Groo]

Pinto. But honestly I doubt the sens would do Karl for Murray straight up. You're asking us to add substantially to a starting point that the team already wouldn't accept.

They get a fan favorite, at a position of need who's playing pretty good and for peanuts for a couple of seasons and half off for a couple of more. After that Karlsson's salary drops way off
I suspect most fans would welcome him back
I also understand the aversion to veteran players here

 

[McSuper]

That Karlsson contract is killer sooner or later Sj will have to buy him out and take the hit.

Or make something up and terminate his contract .

 

[McSuper]

They get a fan favorite, at a position of need who's playing pretty good and for peanuts for a couple of seasons and half off for a couple of more. After that Karlsson's salary drops way off
I suspect most fans would welcome him back
I also understand the aversion to veteran players here

You should try being a used car sales person you would probably do well.

 

[Groo]

You should try being a used car sales person you would probably do well.

It has the benefit of all being true

 

[elitepete]

Murray, Zaitsev and Pinto for E. Karlsson + A Hill

Take out Pinto and retain on Karlsson

 

[Groo]

Take out Pinto and retain on Karlsson

Hell no!

 

[elitepete]

Hell no!

Karlsson makes 11.5m for 5 more years after this one. Murray is 6.25 for 2 more years and Zaitsev 4.5 for 2 more. No team in their right mind would trade those 2 straight for Karlsson at his full salary.

Look at it this way: Murray is overpaid by 4m for 2 more years. Zaitsev overpaid by 2m for 2 more years. That's 12m in excess money being paid.

Karlsson is overpaid by about 5m for 5 more years. That's 25 million. There's just no way a team would do that swap without Karlsson's salary being retained. Let alone adding a bluechip prospect (who also plays a position of need for Ottawa). Adin Hill doesn't cover that gigantic gap.

 

[Groo]

Karlsson makes 11.5m for 5 more years after this one. Murray is 6.25 for 2 more years and Zaitsev 4.5 for 2 more. No team in their right mind would trade those 2 straight for Karlsson at his full salary.

Look at it this way: Murray is overpaid by 4m for 2 more years. Zaitsev overpaid by 2m for 2 more years. That's 12m in excess money being paid.

Karlsson is overpaid by about 5m for 5 more years. That's 25 million. There's just no way a team would do that swap without Karlsson's salary being retained. Let alone adding a bluechip prospect (who also plays a position of need for Ottawa). Adin Hill doesn't cover that gigantic gap.

I'll admit I missed the bonus column when I glanced cap friendly spread sheet.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Karlsson makes 11.5m for 5 more years after this one. Murray is 6.25 for 2 more years and Zaitsev 4.5 for 2 more. No team in their right mind would trade those 2 straight for Karlsson at his full salary.

Look at it this way: Murray is overpaid by 4m for 2 more years. Zaitsev overpaid by 2m for 2 more years. That's 12m in excess money being paid.

Karlsson is overpaid by about 5m for 5 more years. That's 25 million. There's just no way a team would do that swap without Karlsson's salary being retained. Let alone adding a bluechip prospect (who also plays a position of need for Ottawa). Adin Hill doesn't cover that gigantic gap.

Karlsson being overpaid by 5 million is highly debateable. Before his injury, he was paying at a 65 point pace where someone playing at a 52 point pace in Morgan Rielly just got 7.5 mil by 8 year contract. Karlsson is overpaid but he's overpaid by 3 mil at the absolute most.

 

[KevinRedkey]

He's untradeable.

 

[dumbdick]

Karlsson being overpaid by 5 million is highly debateable. Before his injury, he was paying at a 65 point pace where someone playing at a 52 point pace in Morgan Rielly just got 7.5 mil by 8 year contract. Karlsson is overpaid but he's overpaid by 3 mil at the absolute most.

Karl is like my old high school sweetheart. A part of me will always love them forever.

But if either rings me up out of the blue now, the other part is getting a restraining order against that crazy bitch.

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDo]

checks stats…hmmmmm…0.910? Is Matt Murray resurging?