Matt Frattin

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Yeah, I would like to see players who were in the NHL at both 22 and 30 and see how the numbers look relative to each other. Also, would like context in terms of whether these players were in the dead puck era or not.

Lots of omitted contexts here
 
That would be exactly correct. The chart that Holden used (and the link given) cited players born between 1962 and 1979 and lumped defenseman in there , not just forwards from 21 to 29 only. I googled that subject and several articles and graphs did come up and most are similar, but slightly different. One of the better ones I read last night , was done in may 2012 and used forwards in the league since the lockout thru the end of 2012 reg. season. And although it did show goal scoring increase steadily to age 25-26, there was no significant dropoff after. There as a slight decline thru age 28 a bit more of a decline to 31 and that's when it dropped off.

It could be something as simple as the players in the first graph were not as well conditioned as today's players.

But something the author said is very close to what you said above. That 'peak scoring potential and peak performance potential' are 2 different areas.

He pointed out that from 26 to 32 or so, players are in their 'performance prime' and that their complete game is better, that although their goal scoring might dip, for the most part esp for top 6 players, their assists increased as did the PK and PP time. Younger players, those pre 25, and veteran players over 25 are not necessarily used in the same game situations That veterans who have gained experience are more often playing against top lines on other teams or their top D, and if on PK as well, their goal scoring will dip a bit. And that's because as they age, their complete game becomes better ,they mature and are used in a broader role for the good of the team.
SO he didn't want fans to freak out when they read the headline about 'peak scoring' and not to confuse with 'peak performance'.

Great post.
 
Yeah, I would like to see players who were in the NHL at both 22 and 30 and see how the numbers look relative to each other. Also, would like context in terms of whether these players were in the dead puck era or not.

Lots of omitted contexts here

Some contexts that are missing:

1. Team record, just as Steven Stamkos how much easier it is to focus on offense once your team is out. Related to this is team gpg. Teams with a broader array of offensive weapons allow for increased individual offensive statistics due to both on team support and opponents having to focus on multiple threats, thus spreading their defense.

2. Health. Hard to measure, but some of those dips in Crosby's ppg are due to injuries that started mounting in the last few years. Same with Malkin. Look at Lindros and Selanne in chart 2, you see a direct correlation between health and lowered scoring. It may be that players are better younger because the NHL grind hasn't killed them yet. The Lindros drop in production is a direct result of the infamous "Stevens Fault Line" located along the NJD blueline in the late 1990s.

3. The numbers prove it, Joe Sackic was a freak of nature.

4. League gpg. Dead puck eras keep creeping back up on us. Crosby and Ovechkin's early numbers were products of run and gun, losing teams and tightly called games (as well as awe inspiring talent). When Jagr was moving into his late 20s at the height of the dead puck era, everybody's offense went down, not just his. To do this properly ppg has to be adjusted for deflation so that the points remain consistently comparable.

For me, team record is the most important one. Winning teams are, by their very nature, more defensive, play in more meaningful games, and, therefore, have less scoring opportunities later in the season that losing teams. Furthermore, those players have longer to recover in the offseason, building towards better individual statistics, but not necessarily more meaningful hockey (yes, this is another way of phrasing the "more complete player" argument, but I'm tying it into team dynamics which are an essential element of on ice hockey culture that can't be ignored, but isn't easily quantified). It's also hard to compare players on bad teams that let them run and gun with players on winning teams, and winning is more important. Let's face it, Jeff Carter just came off a season in which he was scoring goals at almost the same pace as he was in 08-09, but his assists were down. We all know that the Kings as a group couldn't pot a rebound in an empty net last year (heck, Kings fans could have legitimately worried about the entire team Patrick Stefanning the way that the offense was going at times), so age didn't slow him down.

Lots to chew on here. Thanks.

T2M
 
The first time Frattin blows up somebody from the opposing teams you're gonna see his jersey around Staples. You talk about a guy who is the epitome of the Sutter/Lombardi philosophy and it's Frattin. He's young, he's still finding his way, he's cheap and hopefully his prime years will be in a Kings uniform. If he doesn't progress as we all hope and turns out as a 3rd line grinder you have Toffoli who could very well lock up the 2nd line winger spot regardless of how well Frattin plays in the pre season. Still, not the point, this is and always has been a 4 line team. Sutter has many pieces to play with thanks to Lombardi, I don't see any negatives to having a camp battle between Frattin and Toffoli.

Having kids compete for jobs is how Lombardi rolls anyway...worked real good so far.
 
Having kids compete for jobs is how Lombardi rolls anyway...worked real good so far.

How great is it to see the team finally in a place where we're talking about players fighting to be on a championship caliber team and not automatically slotting prospects into the lineup? Everybody earns their spot on this team game in and game out. Love it.
 
Frattins gonna tear **** up being on richies wing. I can just imagine it now. Richie feeding frattin and carts all day long. Ooooo gives me the chills.
 
the Mayor posted an interview with Frattin

http://mayorsmanor.com/2013/09/matt-...rsManor.com)

Frattin on being a King:

Quote:
I’ve been here for about a week and a half, two weeks almost now,†he told MayorsManor. “I’m definitely excited…Ever since I was traded, I had phone calls from the players. They found a way to reach out to me and just invite me to the team with a warm welcome, which is awesome.â€

Since arriving in town, Frattin says it’s been guys like Jeff Carter, Matt Greene and Jarret Stoll who have been the most instrumental in helping him adjust to a myriad of a new surroundings – both on and off the ice

“I came here a month early, so I’m definitely getting in my comfort zone and I’m really excited for training camp to start.â€

He’s also open to the idea of a more creative nickname.

“They call me Fratts, just the last name, kind of cut off. That’s all I got,†he said with a smirk. “I’m sure somebdy will think of something.â€
 
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Isn't that already Scrivens nickname or was that Scribbles?

Scribbles it was, though apparently in the locker room his temmates called him 'Professor' for some reason. He went to Cornell for Hotel Administration according to his Wiki page -as reliable as that is- so I'm not sure where professor comes from.

Btw, here's a nice read on Scrivens off the ice. Sounds like an interesting fellow, and also unflappable, something I already had thought about him.

I really think this guy has Dwayne Roloson upside. potential number one/co-number that can carry a team for a stretch. Never got why Leafs fans were so down on him.
 
Scribbles it was, though apparently in the locker room his temmates called him 'Professor' for some reason. He went to Cornell for Hotel Administration according to his Wiki page -as reliable as that is- so I'm not sure where professor comes from.

Btw, here's a nice read on Scrivens off the ice. Sounds like an interesting fellow, and also unflappable, something I already had thought about him.

I really think this guy has Dwayne Roloson upside. potential number one/co-number that can carry a team for a stretch. Never got why Leafs fans were so down on him.

exactly.. i had him in my fantasy pool when Reimer was out.. i thought that he will be given more time because of his good game in that time.. he had nice numbers...
 

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