Value of: Matt Dumba/Brodin to the Rangers

[bfaust30]

Both are still valid options for the Rangers.

To get either I would prefer to trade two defenseman for one. Like Klein + Mcilrath and something else for either?

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[Dr Jan Itor]

Not a good time. Both are excelling so far this season.

 

[Wabit]

Unless Kreider or Zibby are on the table (they aren't) there won't be much interest from the Wild.

 

[ClayAikenFan77]

I can't see us trading either of them right now considering how well they are playing, we're more likely to use Spurgeon as trade bait if they keep playing well. There is also no way we would trade one of them for two defensemen.

 

[57special]

Unlikely. I think Stevens is really goosing those two and pushing them to expand and improve their game. In Dumba's case it is to be better defensively(he's already excellent offensively), and in Brodin's to add to the offense...he's got good tools, but plays too conservatively.

Scandella and Spurgeon are just as good, if not better, than those two, but Brodin and Dumba, due to their youth, probably have higher ceilings. Hate to trade them and see them realize their ceilings with another team.

BTW, the trade offer is poopy.

 

[Djp]

Both are still valid options for the Rangers.

To get either I would prefer to trade two defenseman for one. Like Klein + Mcilrath and something else for either?

NHL 17 maybe.....you need to give up equal assets.

 

[gwh]

Puck moving defenseman Brodin is at speed for 46 points this season. Dumba is playing 25min a night with Spurgeon injured.

I d think Wild is going for full post draft value, when everyone is looking for top4 D.

 

[bernmeister]

Unless Kreider or Zibby are on the table (they aren't) there won't be much interest from the Wild.

forget Kreider
Zuc in theory w/w-out a + for straight up return or package, is conceivable; issue is if you have max competitive offer. Zuc would get interest most clubs

NHL 17 maybe.....you need to give up equal assets.

Concur

before Matt extended, Stepan for Dumba +

now the correct value to consider is

Stepan [+ ________________]
for
Dumba [+ ________________]

 

[10coach*]

forget Kreider
Zuc in theory w/w-out a + for straight up return or package, is conceivable; issue is if you have max competitive offer. Zuc would get interest most clubs



Concur

before Matt extended, Stepan for Dumba +

now the correct value to consider is

Stepan [+ ________________]
for
Dumba [+ ________________]

Doesn't Stepan make like $6.5? That wouldn't work as he'd be a third liner on the Wild.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Doesn't Stepan make like $6.5? That wouldn't work as he'd be a third liner on the Wild.

Behind who? Koivu? Granlund? Staal? Stepan has produced better than Koivu in 2 of the last 3 seasons and significantly out produced Granlund each of the last 3 years.

I don't know much about the Wilds line combo's this year so it really is a genuine question.

 

[gwh]

Stepan [+ ________________]
for
Dumba [+ ________________]

Can't fit another 6mil contract under the cap.

5 RFAs and about 18 million in cap space (Scandella -> Vegas, Pominville->Buyout)

Most likely we are looking for ELC RW or franchise ELC center next summer.

 

[gwh]

Behind who? Koivu? Granlund? Staal? Stepan has produced better than Koivu in 2 of the last 3 seasons and significantly out produced Granlund each of the last 3 years.

I don't know much about the Wilds line combo's this year so it really is a genuine question.

Granlund is a winger. Staal-Koivu-Haula is the center, with Ek in injury reserve and Granlund/Coyle in extreme reserve.

If we trade Stepan now, you need to take Koivu back in the trade. Now that won't happen since Koivu has an NMC.

 

[NotYou]

Behind who? Koivu? Granlund? Staal? Stepan has produced better than Koivu in 2 of the last 3 seasons and significantly out produced Granlund each of the last 3 years.

I don't know much about the Wilds line combo's this year so it really is a genuine question.

Granlund is a winger now and for the foreseeable future. I don't agree with that poster though. Stepan is significantly better than stall, we would at least try stepan with coyle and parise if we were to acquire him. But stepan is really similar to koivu which isn't a bad thing, but also means it doesn't make sense to trade a defenseman we value for him.

Both are still valid options for the Rangers.

To get either I would prefer to trade two defenseman for one. Like Klein + Mcilrath and something else for either?

No interest in anything from the rangers for either but this is an especially bad offer

 

[Gardner McKay]

Granlund is a winger now and for the foreseeable future. I don't agree with that poster though. Stepan is significantly better than stall, we would at least try stepan with coyle and parise if we were to acquire him. But stepan is really similar to koivu which isn't a bad thing, but also means it doesn't make sense to trade a defenseman we value for him.


No interest in anything from the rangers for either but this is an especially bad offer

Completely fair. Production wise they are similar. I wouldn't trade Stepan FWIW. Bern only wants to trade Stepan before his NMC kicks in.

Regarding the bold, I absolutely agree. As a Rangers fan it is a pathetically bad offer that doesn't take into account needs for Minnesota or come close to fair value.

 

[Wabit]

Behind who? Koivu? Granlund? Staal? Stepan has produced better than Koivu in 2 of the last 3 seasons and significantly out produced Granlund each of the last 3 years.

I don't know much about the Wilds line combo's this year so it really is a genuine question.

Last night:
Nino/Staal/Coyle
Parise/Koivu/Granlund
Zucker/JEE/Pommer
Stewart/Dalpe/Pokemon
Haula injured but 3/4C when healthy

Staal/Koivu fill the 1/2C position nicely (so far). JEE has been impressive in his first few games, he has a chance to stick for more than the 9 game cup of coffee. Haula is a quality 3/4C when he returns. Dalpe (minus a couple of really stupid penalties) has played fine as a 4C.

Stepan wouldn't get the late game FO's with Koivu and Staal having much better FO%. His cap hit would be hard for the Wild to take this season. They can't even have a full 23 man roster without going over the cap.

Zuccarello (mentioned earlier) probably won't be of a lot of interest to Wild who are looking for more of the power FWD than another small wing to add to their collection. Bad fit not player quality type of thing.

 

[bernmeister]

Doesn't Stepan make like $6.5? That wouldn't work as he'd be a third liner on the Wild.

setting aside if is/isn't actually 3rd line, 6.5 is accurate, but my phrasing is we could possibly juggle complementary pieces or cap dumps to make a fit

Can't fit another 6mil contract under the cap.
5 RFAs and about 18 million in cap space (Scandella -> Vegas, Pominville->Buyout)
Most likely we are looking for ELC RW or franchise ELC center next summer.

not happening unless you want to do Robin Kovacs and Adam Tambellini, both ELC and neither a projected franchise, for Dumba, and we move Stepan or other vets elsewhere

Granlund is a winger now and for the foreseeable future. I don't agree with that poster though. Stepan is significantly better than stall, we would at least try stepan with coyle and parise if we were to acquire him. But stepan is really similar to koivu which isn't a bad thing, but also means it doesn't make sense to trade a defenseman we value for him. ....

thanks for the update

2 Koivus are better than 1
crunch those numbers again, see if a creative swap works, or Stepan may well be gone, which us not getting Dumba either = lose - lose as to opportunity

 

[Wabit]

2 Koivus are better than 1
crunch those numbers again, see if a creative swap works, or Stepan may well be gone, which us not getting Dumba either = lose - lose as to opportunity

The $4m difference between Dumba and Stepan is hard for the Wild to make up without trading NHL players for futures or a Pommer cap dump somewhere. The Wild have the $4-$5m contracts in their dmen, the FWDs are $3m or less (not putting Staal and Coyle on the table).

 

[gwh]

not happening unless you want to do Robin Kovacs and Adam Tambellini, both ELC and neither a projected franchise, for Dumba, and we move Stepan or other vets elsewhere

Wild's team needs don't really connect with NYR assets.

 

[NotYou]

setting aside if is/isn't actually 3rd line, 6.5 is accurate, but my phrasing is we could possibly juggle complementary pieces or cap dumps to make a fit


not happening unless you want to do Robin Kovacs and Adam Tambellini, both ELC and neither a projected franchise, for Dumba, and we move Stepan or other vets elsewhere


thanks for the update

2 Koivus are better than 1
crunch those numbers again, see if a creative swap works, or Stepan may well be gone, which us not getting Dumba either = lose - lose as to opportunity

Not denying stepan would help the team. But our defense isn't very deep and both brodin and dumba are really good at some things and have flaws. If either figures it out he'll be really good. Don't want to trade either unless it's for the right player. That's not stepan

 

[10coach*]

Behind who? Koivu? Granlund? Staal? Stepan has produced better than Koivu in 2 of the last 3 seasons and significantly out produced Granlund each of the last 3 years.

I don't know much about the Wilds line combo's this year so it really is a genuine question.

He'd be behind Staal and Koivu. Granlund is a winger.

 

[57special]

Not denying stepan would help the team. But our defense isn't very deep and both brodin and dumba are really good at some things and have flaws. If either figures it out he'll be really good. Don't want to trade either unless it's for the right player. That's not stepan

Our defense isn't very Deep? Are you talking about NYR...you certainly can't be talking about the Wild.

Brodin has flaws, Dumba has flaws, Spurgeon has flaws, as does Scandella...Suter has flaws, Karlsson has flaws. Not sure the point you are trying to make. Most teams would love to have Dumba or Brodin on their team at their present salaries.

 

[NotYou]

Our defense isn't very Deep? Are you talking about NYR...you certainly can't be talking about the Wild.

Brodin has flaws, Dumba has flaws, Spurgeon has flaws, as does Scandella...Suter has flaws, Karlsson has flaws. Not sure the point you are trying to make. Most teams would love to have Dumba or Brodin on their team at their present salaries.

Depth doesn't usually refer to players like spurgeon and Sutter. I'm referring to guys like folin and prosser who I don't want to give more playing time to by making a trade. You gonna tell me our forwards are deep too? Should have been clear when I said I don't want to trade either dumba or brodin.

 

[Jesus comma Brodin]

Depth doesn't usually refer to players like spurgeon and Sutter. I'm referring to guys like folin and prosser who I don't want to give more playing time to by making a trade. You gonna tell me our forwards are deep too? Should have been clear when I said I don't want to trade either dumba or brodin.

Ahhh, so the 5/6 defensemen aren't at the same level of 1/2 so our depth is bad. Got it.

You're definition of depth and mine are not similar in any manner.

 

[NotYou]

Ahhh, so the 5/6 defensemen aren't at the same level of 1/2 so our depth is bad. Got it.

You're definition of depth and mine are not similar in any manner.

Ignoring context

 

[Jesus comma Brodin]

Ignoring context

Nope. I am not. You're saying our depth is an issue but when we're completely healthy, Brodin is on the 3rd pair.

I get what you're saying. Move one of Suter, Spurgeon, Scandella, Dumba, Brodin and then Prosser plays therefore making Folin play more. But find me a defense you're more comfortable with even after moving let's say Scandella. You won't