Player Discussion Matt Coronato

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Coronato continues to struggle against NHLers. He had an extended look last year and didn't hold a spot like Zary did

IIRC, when he had more space and time, he could get in some slick moves. But in a more NHL stifling situation, IMO the biggest thing I sorta notice is that he sorta loses composure and gets smothered/loses the puck relatively easily. However, with a wee more strength, confidence and faster decision making, I think he's an NHL lock.

Different than Honzek. IMO Honzek showed a lot of good, but also seemed totally clueless at times what he was up against. That's why he kept getting boxed out dumped by stronger players. It's not anything training can't address long term, but I kept feeling a little baffled why he wasn't seemingly learning his lesson after getting pushed around and dumped on a ass a few times. He's slightly bigger and doesn't seem super lanky, but IMO his balance on skates occasionally looked worse than smaller guys/prospects like Coronato and Pelletier.

Someone like Honzek is still quite the project IMO, but lots of optimism. Definitely right call to send him down. Coronato IMO is very close, but definitely could use a heavy polishing before being conclusively graduated. I won't argue whether that refinement or polish is better to be completed in the AHL vs NHL though.

 

[Ace Rimmer]

Why?

Who's the Flames two best players not named Andersson? Wolf and Zary, both of which played multiple AHL seasons to develop, earned their spot on the team and when on the team they have stayed because they've shown they deserve to be here.

Angelsmith is right, he looked great playing other teams prospects and as the games ramped up his game fell off. I don't get why so many people think that a prospect playing in the AHL getting minutes and continuing to develop is worse than getting NHL time where they look like they don't even belong.

More a comment on how the Flames have been jilted by key players recently.

Basically "small market syndrome"

 

[Bounces R Way]

He back

 

[Volica]

Was one of the most noticeable players last night.

 

[Rubi]

Coronato showed up to play last night. Although doing that once every 5 or 6 games just isn't good enough.

 

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Coronato showed up to play last night. Although doing that once every 5 or 6 games just isn't good enough.

TBH, he was fighting the puck and having difficulty getting opportunities just like the others for most of the time I was watching. IIRC he got outmuscled and boxed out on quite a few shifts. He was just able to cash in by the end of the game.

He certainly doesn't score the goal so quickly in OT without the faceoff win. His tying goal in the 3rd was after the whole team pitched in and kept digging pucks out and putting constant pressure on Montreal for quite a few shifts.

He's going to be hella good when he gets stronger on his skates and able to do what he wants to do without getting boxed out. He's not there yet, but he's close.

 

[Some Other Flame]

Coronato showed up to play last night. Although doing that once every 5 or 6 games just isn't good enough.

Eh, guys like Mantha and Huberdeau seem to have made a career of it

 

[Ace Rimmer]

Far more noticeable after the recent call-up. Great to see him rewarded last night too, hopefully that's what gets him going offensively now.

 

[Nanuuk]

Coronato's skating has improved year over year. His edge work and his first few strides in particular.

Combine that with his hockey smarts and lethal shot (and playing with Backlund and Coleman), I think he is here to stay.

He'll 'go to school' on the Backlund line waiting for a graduation opportunity in the top six.

When that happens watch for the next prospect to come up and play with Backlund.

In this way the Flames will have an established pipeline to success.

 

[joescores]

This kid deserves some appreciation. Been working his socks off, has a sneaky shot and seems like an easy going dude.

Happy for him. Needs more key TOI.

 

[josra33]

I am hoping he settles around a 20-20 season. That would be a great step for him. Ballsy of you guys taking a Harvard Player in the top half of the draft but its worked out. Hes gonna be a force next year when he gets bulked up a bit. His skating has improved tremendously.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

What contract do you think he gets? Any chance Conroy realizes his potential and signs him to like an eight year $56mill deal with the exploding cap? The last thing you want is to bridge and then realize he's improved further and needs a ridiculously expensive contract. I'd bridge Zary though with his injury history.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

What contract do you think he gets? Any chance Conroy realizes his potential and signs him to like an eight year $56mill deal with the exploding cap? The last thing you want is to bridge and then realize he's improved further and needs a ridiculously expensive contract. I'd bridge Zary though with his injury history.

Don’t think he gets the Guenther contract. My guess is something like 6x6.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Don’t think he gets the Guenther contract. My guess is something like 6x6.

6 years would be awful. Either bridge the deal or get him to at least 7 years

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

6 years would be awful. Either bridge the deal or get him to at least 7 years

A bridge deal so he Tkachuk us? What?

 

[Mobiandi]

No bridges for the ELC guys. Now is not the time to overthink the cap structure. Lock them up for 7 or 8 years, and if they falter then their cap hits should be more manageable

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

A bridge deal so he Tkachuk us? What?

so your solution is walk him to ufa instead?

 

[Yepthatsme]

so your solution is walk him to ufa instead?

The utter irony of if people truly are afraid of him pulling a Tkachuk (which we shouldn’t, that was a super specific situation), a 3-4 year bridge would be the solution.

Regardless, if we can all sit on our couches and realize that we should sign long term to big money because it will likely end up a bargain, do people not realize every player and their agent are also aware of this? None of us are finding a hidden loophole here, with an exploding cap please some young players are going to be resistant to big term deals.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

The utter irony of if people truly are afraid of him pulling a Tkachuk (which we shouldn’t, that was a super specific situation), a 3-4 year bridge would be the solution.

Regardless, if we can all sit on our couches and realize that we should sign long term to big money because it will likely end up a bargain, do people not realize every player and their agent are also aware of this? None of us are finding a hidden loophole here, with an exploding cap please some young players are going to be resistant to big term deals.

How is it irony? I don’t think you understand the meaning of that word.

He literally signed a three year deal, and threatened to sign a one year qualifying offer and forced a trade.

How exactly is that better than what we did with Gaudreau, Hanifin or Andersson? An 8 year deal is a way better option but there’s no way he signs that with the cap going up.

 

[Mobiandi]

There will be many agents in their clients’ ear telling them to sign a shorter term deal to cash in later. Mostly cause then the agent gets a nicer cut of the pie without having to wait as long.

Very few players actually bet on themselves the way that someone like Auston Matthews has. The problem that Calgary has had with their RFAs has been bulldozing them into submission to keep their cap hits low. If Conroy loosens up in that regard, most of the guys will bite.

The only guy who should probably take the risk of signing a bridge is Wolf. But goaltending careers are very fickle. The last Calder-winning goaltender went into an early retirement with multiple buy-outs on his record.

This isn’t some Eureka armchair GM moment. Money now is usually worth more than money later and if our RFAs are tabled a nice offer in exchange for longer term, I’m sure most will sign on the dotted line

 

[Lunatik]

There will be many agents in their clients’ ear telling them to sign a shorter term deal to cash in later. Mostly cause then the agent gets a nicer cut of the pie without having to wait as long.

Agents tell players to sign for as long as absolutely possible because while the contract is guaranteed (as is the agents commission) for those years, their body holding up, is not.

 

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How is it irony? I don’t think you understand the meaning of that word.

He literally signed a three year deal, and threatened to sign a one year qualifying offer and forced a trade.

How exactly is that better than what we did with Gaudreau, Hanifin or Andersson? An 8 year deal is a way better option but there’s no way he signs that with the cap going up.

The irony (specific scenario) for Tkachuk was that he wanted an 8 x 8.5 and Treliving wouldn't do some basic moves to get the extra 1-1.5 AV cap space to do it. Treliving put on the table the bridge instead. This isn't a scenario where the player didn't want the long contract and stuck to his guns for a bridge for a bigger payday. It's actually management doing the opposite (hence, irony).

We actually want them to demand long term contracts like Tkachuk did, right now. I'm cool with the idea of something like a trio of 7x7 ish for Coronato, Zary and Wolf. Kids get a decent and fair payday, cap rising means those are good deals and good comparable deals for any future ELC extensions.

 

[JPeeper]

The irony (specific scenario) for Tkachuk was that he wanted an 8 x 8.5 and Treliving wouldn't do some basic moves to get the extra 1-1.5 AV cap space to do it. Treliving put on the table the bridge instead. This isn't a scenario where the player didn't want the long contract and stuck to his guns for a bridge for a bigger payday. It's actually management doing the opposite (hence, irony).

We actually want them to demand long term contracts like Tkachuk did, right now. I'm cool with the idea of something like a trio of 7x7 ish for Coronato, Zary and Wolf. Kids get a decent and fair payday, cap rising means those are good deals and good comparable deals for any future ELC extensions.

Yeah, the notion of Tkachuk wanting out is overblown by everyone not in Calgary media and even most Flames fans don't know the full situation (which you have to follow the team pretty close so I don't blame people), he wanted out because he knew Johnny was leaving and what that would do to the team. Chucky wanted that 8 year deal but f***head Treliving wanted to keep Frolik fOr ThE dEpTh so we didn't have the space to sign Tkachuk for a little bit more, but for the full 8 years.

Conroy gave bumass Sharangovich $28 mil, I'm sure if Corny/Wolf/Zary want to sign long term deals Conroy will do it.

 

[Lunatik]

Yeah, the notion of Tkachuk wanting out is overblown by everyone not in Calgary media and even most Flames fans don't know the full situation (which you have to follow the team pretty close so I don't blame people), he wanted out because he knew Johnny was leaving and what that would do to the team. Chucky wanted that 8 year deal but f***head Treliving wanted to keep Frolik fOr ThE dEpTh so we didn't have the space to sign Tkachuk for a little bit more, but for the full 8 years.

Conroy gave bumass Sharangovich $28 mil, I'm sure if Corny/Wolf/Zary want to sign long term deals Conroy will do it.

Tkachuk was traded 3 weeks after Gaudreau signed in Columbus. He wanted out because Johnny left, not because he knew he was leaving.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Yeah, the notion of Tkachuk wanting out is overblown by everyone not in Calgary media and even most Flames fans don't know the full situation (which you have to follow the team pretty close so I don't blame people), he wanted out because he knew Johnny was leaving and what that would do to the team. Chucky wanted that 8 year deal but f***head Treliving wanted to keep Frolik fOr ThE dEpTh so we didn't have the space to sign Tkachuk for a little bit more, but for the full 8 years.

Conroy gave bumass Sharangovich $28 mil, I'm sure if Corny/Wolf/Zary want to sign long term deals Conroy will do it.

Tkachuk was traded 3 weeks after Gaudreau signed in Columbus. He wanted out because Johnny left, not because he knew he was leaving.

The COVID isolation played a major part as well. Restrictions in the US were lifted long before they were in Canada and that bothered a lot of players, especially those with family in the US.

As for Sharangovich, he was fantastic last year and deserved that raise. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt this season for missing most of training camp and the start of the season. If he returns to being even a 25/25 player that deal will be great down the line