Player Discussion Matt Coronato

[Lunatik]

He should be playing over Klapka easily. That Lomberg-Costco-Coronato line looked good that game he got 2.

Top 6 in the AHL > 4th line in the NHL

The only reason why his agent is pushing anything because Matty earns less in teh AHL, thus the agent earns less.

 

[Anglesmith]

The Flames don't know what to do with Coronato because he's not playing up to the standard that they had planned for. It would be crystal clear if he was playing effective hockey.

 

[Kranix]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1850611297458749457

And so it begins. In a shocking twist, overloading the team with vets has started to piss off the prospects. Who could have possibly imagined that happening

prospect whose whole game is being a scorer has 6 shots in 5 games, and isn't doing anything else.

 

[SaintMorose]

I've liked Coronato in the NHL this year, I don't think the comment he's shown more is unfair compared to Honzek, Mantha, Pospisil or any of the 4th line guys this season (or Sharangovich but that's been even more limited).

But progress isn't necessarily a straight line and for at least the first part of this season getting him minutes and letting him score are as important as anything. I think shopping an NHL winger makes sense with where Coronato is at, and playing in the AHL until xmas isn't going to ruin him or the relationship.

 

[Zirakzigil]

I imagine if Mantha continues to be a ghost he will be benched sooner rather than later. That opens a spot in the top 6 for Coronato. My guess is that the Flames told Coronato this was a very short term situation to keep him in game shape and that the Flames roster was going to sort itself out soon.

 

[Rubi]

Coronato needs to tell his agent to shut the f*** up. When he starts producing at the nhl level then he can start bitching if he feels he's being mishandled. Right now, based on his play so far, he's exactly where he deserves to be.

 

[Yepthatsme]

Coronato needs to tell his agent to shut the f*** up. When he starts producing at the nhl level then he can start bitching if he feels he's being mishandled. Right now, based on his play do far, he's exactly where he deserves to be.

…his agent quite literally didn’t say a single word. It’s also funny because the agent has also since removed the tweet as well, a pretty obvious sign that this was blown way out of proportion from what was expected so he backtracked. Key board warriors are making mountains out of mole hills here.

 

[Lunatik]

…his agent quite literally didn’t say a single word. It’s also funny because the agent has also since removed the tweet as well, a pretty obvious sign that this was blown way out of proportion from what was expected so he backtracked. Key board warriors are making mountains out of mole hills here.

Coronato's first game with the Wrangler's probably didn't help. Even the Wranglers color guy commented on how Coronato was just okay after a good first couple shifts.

 

[Yepthatsme]

Coronato's first game with the Wrangler's probably didn't help. Even the Wranglers color guy commented on how Coronato was just okay after a good first couple shifts.

Player usually have that initial stretch after getting sent down where their play is lackluster, and it’s pretty easy to see why. In the human side of things, you both got told you’re not quite there for reaching your dream yet, and on the financial standpoint he just went from an 800k a year job to a 60-80k. 1-3 slow games are pretty fair from his standpoint.

 

[Volica]

But progress isn't necessarily a straight line and for at least the first part of this season getting him minutes and letting him score are as important as anything. I think shopping an NHL winger makes sense with where Coronato is at, and playing in the AHL until xmas isn't going to ruin him or the relationship.

Just for reference because this was something I was looking at a couple weeks back when we were discussing prospects on this board.

The 08-09 Blackhawks started the Chicago dynasty of the early 2010's with a lengthy run in the playoffs with a really young squad; of course with Kane and Toews in their sophomore seasons. Of that squad here are the younger guys (<26) who became prominent players in the NHL or long time NHLers (800+ games played in the NHL) outside of the two guys previously named.

Duncan Keith
Patrick Sharp
Kris Versteeg
Troy Brouwer
Andrew Ladd
Dustin Byfuglien
Brent Seabrook
Nik Hjalmarsson
Corey Crawford

Here's the ages at which these players played their first full seasons in the NHL:

Duncan Keith (21)
Patrick Sharp (23)
Kris Versteeg (22)
Troy Brouwer (23)
Andrew Ladd (22)
Dustin Byfuglien (24)
Brent Seabrook (20)
Nik Hjalmarsson (23)
Corey Crawford (25)

Coronato is in his 21 season (turning 22 in Nov). There's still a bunch of runway here, for him to carve out a long career in the NHL and score a bunch of goals for this team. This management team hasn't done anything to make me reconsider my faith in them, let guys like Mantha and Kuzmenko play off into the sunset, earn this team a couple more mid-round picks. We won't be runing anything for any of the young guys who deserve a spot with them playing in the AHL. It's not like it's in Stockton or anything, they're in the same barn as the big club.

 

[Boomstick]

In my opinion, it seems like management is doing the same thing as our previous managements. Just fill roster spots with vets,. When Zary and Pospisil became full time NHL players last year it breathed some life into the season. They've developed in the NHL to what they are now, and they're still young and progressing. i believe Coronato and to a point Pelletier should be getting NHL ice time, and not necessarily 6 minutes a night on the 4th line. Shake it up, mix it up. This is supposed to be a throw away year. Give the kids a chance. Why the hell not?
Even Dustin Wolf. Last game he was going for his 8th consecutive win. He's our future and he's playing superb. Give him more starts. He's our plan, he's supposed to be here for a good long time. Play him, play him, play him. If Markstrom was still here, where do you think Wolf would be? Back in the AHL again. Same situation as Coronato's
I love Kuzmenko's attitude and interviews, but him and Mantha are expendable in my opinion. We have a lot of good players in the system that will be ready to come up and be NHL players. Why are we postponing Coronato's NHL ice time. In his limited role this year, he's been one of our best forwards statistically.
Anyways, like I say, that's just my opinion and I'm not looking to defend myself or argue. Agree or disagree, I'm here for a long time, and I want the kids to get a decent chance to prove themselves.

Another point, I believe Conroy admitted he pretty much offered all of our UFA;s an extension last year, so that could be his agenda again this year with Kuzmenko and Mantha. If that's the case, our youth will end up being shipped somewhere else to become successful like we've seen in the past.

 

[Lunatik]

In my opinion, it seems like management is doing the same thing as our previous managements. Just fill roster spots with vets,. When Zary and Pospisil became full time NHL players last year it breathed some life into the season. They've developed in the NHL to what they are now, and they're still young and progressing. i believe Coronato and to a point Pelletier should be getting NHL ice time, and not necessarily 6 minutes a night on the 4th line. Shake it up, mix it up. This is supposed to be a throw away year. Give the kids a chance. Why the hell not?
Even Dustin Wolf. Last game he was going for his 8th consecutive win. He's our future and he's playing superb. Give him more starts. He's our plan, he's supposed to be here for a good long time. Play him, play him, play him. If Markstrom was still here, where do you think Wolf would be? Back in the AHL again. Same situation as Coronato's
I love Kuzmenko's attitude and interviews, but him and Mantha are expendable in my opinion. We have a lot of good players in the system that will be ready to come up and be NHL players. Why are we postponing Coronato's NHL ice time. In his limited role this year, he's been one of our best forwards statistically.
Anyways, like I say, that's just my opinion and I'm not looking to defend myself or argue. Agree or disagree, I'm here for a long time, and I want the kids to get a decent chance to prove themselves.

Another point, I believe Conroy admitted he pretty much offered all of our UFA;s an extension last year, so that could be his agenda again this year with Kuzmenko and Mantha. If that's the case, our youth will end up being shipped somewhere else to become successful like we've seen in the past.

There is a difference though, Zary and Pospisil were given a chance and they played well. Thus they stayed in the NHL. Coronato had a chance and he was very mediocre (at best), so it makes sense to give him top minutes with the Wranglers.

Complaining that Wolf is only playing every other game makes no sense, this is a whole new level of competition for him, he's very young for an NHL goaltender... he's likely going to get more time as the season progresses and he shows he's better than Vladar.

There is zero reason to think he's going to extend Mantha, there is a reason dude was only offered a 1-year deal in the first place. If we had offered him all over it, Mantha would have pounced on it like a lion on a gazelle.

Also zero reason to think the youth will be traded, that is just f***ing absurd. What f***ing "youth" have we shipped out that had any success? The only youth we ever traded was Sven and he was a bust. I guess you can count Valimaki, but he was hot f***ing garbage in camp that year and didn't earn shit. I'm also not sure him being gifted minutes on a bottom feed constitutes "success"

 

[JPeeper]

Zary, our best forward IMO, played two seasons in the AHL and in his 3rd season he got called up and never turned back. Coronato has played 1 season in the AHL and still doesn't look ready for full time NHL hockey. Zary (and Pospisil) forced the Flames hand by their play and they both stuck and are now full time guys. Coronato has not shown anything to force the Flames hand to keep him up. Honzek forced the Flames hand in camp and he made the team.

Doesn't matter if your re-building or not, look at Chicago with Levshunov or even Korchinski who was full time last year. Their roster is much worse than us but they aren't rushing these guys to play because they want to develop them. Flames want to develop Coronato, gifting him ice-time which he isn't ready for doesn't help.

To say management is the same it's been over the past decade is sheer ignorance. There is no way both Zary and Pospisil make the team last year or Honzek getting a spot on the team this year.

 

[crazyfisherman]

Hes had time with kadri and kuz and did not look impressive at all in that role. Spend some time in the ahl and scoring is better than doing nothing with our best offensive guys or playing 4th line.

 

[Mobiandi]

To be honest, I think Honzek made more of an impact than Coronato. Certainly found himself in scoring positions more often. I would’ve scratched him before sending him down though.

 

[Khrox]

I would’ve scratched him before sending him down though.

I mean with Rango coming off IR, somebody had to go down. We would have had to waive Rooney and wait 24 hours before taking Rango off IR, or send Coronato.

 

[badi]

It all went sideways with the not needed signing of Mantha
Coronato should be in the line up in the top 3 lines right NOW
Would not be surprised that he will remember that when its time to re up is contact ....

 

[Kranix]

It all went sideways with the not needed signing of Mantha
Coronato should be in the line up in the top 3 lines right NOW
Would not be surprised that he will remember that when its time to re up is contact ....

"Remember when I sucked, and you sent me down to figure it out, and now you want to give me untold riches? Gfys Connie"

 

[Anglesmith]

It all went sideways with the not needed signing of Mantha
Coronato should be in the line up in the top 3 lines right NOW
Would not be surprised that he will remember that when its time to re up is contact ....

Actually, I think it went sideways about halfway through training camp when Coronato started to play badly and his line kept getting caved in.

He absolutely should be on the top three lines. That he wasn't able to stay there is disappointing.

That said, he's a prospect and we should be patient, especially with seeing how good Zary is looking after significant maturation.

Wouldn't worry about the contract. If Coronato turns out to be a guy who the Flames want to commit to long-term, then it means he will have responded positively to this move and can look back on it as a necessary step. If he's a guy who is ok with playing badly and expects to play in spite of that, I don't think he'll be long for the league.

 

[Yepthatsme]

I can’t believe we sent down Phillips Zary Solovyov Pelletier Wolf Coronato, it’s just a matter of time before he requests a trade now.

 

[Ace Rimmer]

I can’t believe we sent down Phillips Zary Solovyov Pelletier Wolf Coronato, it’s just a matter of time before he requests a trade now.

True, but after Tkachuk, Gaudreau (RIP) and to a lesser extent Bennett, hard to be optimistic / realistic sometimes.

 

[JPeeper]

True, but after Tkachuk, Gaudreau (RIP) and to a lesser extent Bennett, hard to be optimistic / realistic sometimes.

Why?

Who's the Flames two best players not named Andersson? Wolf and Zary, both of which played multiple AHL seasons to develop, earned their spot on the team and when on the team they have stayed because they've shown they deserve to be here.

Angelsmith is right, he looked great playing other teams prospects and as the games ramped up his game fell off. I don't get why so many people think that a prospect playing in the AHL getting minutes and continuing to develop is worse than getting NHL time where they look like they don't even belong.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

A) I think sending him down for 15 games is fine while they figure out the rest of the team. But there is only so much he can do at that level. He’s pretty dominant down there.

B) He has looked really good at times, even this year in the NHL for stretches, as well as last year. I don’t understand the notion from this fan base that people think prospects should just come in and dominate right away every game. Playing in the NHL takes time to adjust, and there is inevitably ups and downs. Look at what people were saying about Wolf last year, and look at him now…

C) It’s not like there are vets really blocking him. Mantha is useless. Huberdeau the last five games has been easily the least engaged Ive seen him in his tenure. Kadri has been brutal a lot of the time despite a few good goals. Kuzmenko is invisible outside of the PP. Sharongovich hasn’t looked good since coming back. Klapka just isn’t an NHL caliber player, not even close. Rooney and Kirkland look more like the tweeners they are than anything else. The forward group in general has been putrid, you telling me we can’t find a place for this guy?

 

[Figgy44]

A) I think sending him down for 15 games is fine while they figure out the rest of the team. But there is only so much he can do at that level. He’s pretty dominant down there.

B) He has looked really good at times, even this year in the NHL for stretches, as well as last year. I don’t understand the notion from this fan base that people think prospects should just come in and dominate right away every game. Playing in the NHL takes time to adjust, and there is inevitably ups and downs. Look at what people were saying about Wolf last year, and look at him now…

C) It’s not like there are vets really blocking him. Mantha is useless. Huberdeau the last five games has been easily the least engaged Ive seen him in his tenure. Kadri has been brutal a lot of the time despite a few good goals. Kuzmenko is invisible outside of the PP. Sharongovich hasn’t looked good since coming back. Klapka just isn’t an NHL caliber player, not even close. Rooney and Kirkland look more like the tweeners they are than anything else. The forward group in general has been putrid, you telling me we can’t find a place for this guy?

IMO, the whole team looks disjointed at times and then show flashes of figuring it out for random moments. Better to let the roster click together a bit more and then figure out which pieces are Lego and which pieces are duplo that needs be separated, so that we can dip into the Wranglers roster for more Lego can be added to the build.

Otherwise, out of the whole roster, we have like 5 or 6 out of 18 that makes sense where they'll be and a lot of confusion for the remainder pieces. Otherwise, make a few moves and it's a more complicated but still 5 or 6 pieces out of 18 that we have an idea of what to do.

 

[Bond]

Coronato continues to struggle against NHLers. He had an extended look last year and didn't hold a spot like Zary did