Player Discussion Matt Coronato

[Fig]

Tkachuk was traded 3 weeks after Gaudreau signed in Columbus. He wanted out because Johnny left, not because he knew he was leaving.

IIRC based on the rumors, I think it was several things.

1. His camp didn't like the previous negotiations with Treliving, so they had the QO threat as a trump card.
2. His camp was monitoring the situation. If an appropriate deal fell into their lap, they'd consider sticking around regardless. But a key facet of their demands was a captaincy clause which I think Treliving/Sutter refused to do.
3. His camp was aware of the Gaudreau (RIP) situation, but unaware of his ultimate decision (which was reported that even he himself until the 11th hour and during the start of UFA. I think he collaborated with Treliving to ensure that Treliving had an out (trade) in case a deal did not materialize. (kept quiet about potential trade, retain good terms and reputation with fans, ensure that Treliving had options so that he wouldn't have to accept a crap offer which could hurt his reputation and perceived league wide value etc.)
4. Once Gaudreau domino fell and contract situation was clear, then they started chasing the best ideas for a potential trade.

As much as the Tkachuk camp is known for being a nightmare to negotiate with, they did solid by the Flames in the way they handled that situation.

 

[badi]

Coronato seems like a lock to be a 30 goals goalscorer each year
The question is , can he be more than that ?
My guess is yes and he can be a two way goalscorer and you lock these kind of players asap

 

[Darth Vladar]

Coronato seems like a lock to be a 30 goals goalscorer each year
The question is , can he be more than that ?
My guess is yes and he can be a two way goalscorer and you lock these kind of players asap

I keep saying it, but Iggy’s goal totals for his first five seasons were 21, 13, 28, 29, 31.

Matty C is at 20 in his first full season with 13 games to go.

 

[Mobiandi]

IIRC based on the rumors, I think it was several things.

1. His camp didn't like the previous negotiations with Treliving, so they had the QO threat as a trump card.
2. His camp was monitoring the situation. If an appropriate deal fell into their lap, they'd consider sticking around regardless. But a key facet of their demands was a captaincy clause which I think Treliving/Sutter refused to do.
3. His camp was aware of the Gaudreau (RIP) situation, but unaware of his ultimate decision (which was reported that even he himself until the 11th hour and during the start of UFA. I think he collaborated with Treliving to ensure that Treliving had an out (trade) in case a deal did not materialize. (kept quiet about potential trade, retain good terms and reputation with fans, ensure that Treliving had options so that he wouldn't have to accept a crap offer which could hurt his reputation and perceived league wide value etc.)
4. Once Gaudreau domino fell and contract situation was clear, then they started chasing the best ideas for a potential trade.

As much as the Tkachuk camp is known for being a nightmare to negotiate with, they did solid by the Flames in the way they handled that situation.

I think this hits almost everything but one thing. Tkachuk really did not like Sutter and that was a massive factor in his trade request

 

[Lunatik]

The COVID isolation played a major part as well. Restrictions in the US were lifted long before they were in Canada and that bothered a lot of players, especially those with family in the US.

As for Sharangovich, he was fantastic last year and deserved that raise. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt this season for missing most of training camp and the start of the season. If he returns to being even a 25/25 player that deal will be great down the line

You are 100% right about Covid, I've been banging that drum for a long time.

I'm gonna have to disagree with you on Sharangovich... he hasn't put up back to back decent NHL seasons so far in his career, so giving him that extension was always big risk and Conroy should have waited to see how he did this year.... also he got hurt in one of the final games of the preseason, he didn't miss most of camp.

 

[Yepthatsme]

How is it irony? I don’t think you understand the meaning of that word.

He literally signed a three year deal, and threatened to sign a one year qualifying offer and forced a trade.

How exactly is that better than what we did with Gaudreau, Hanifin or Andersson? An 8 year deal is a way better option but there’s no way he signs that with the cap going up.

I thought the irony was pretty apparent honestly, all this board talks about is the importance of a long term deal, and of making sure we don’t let another Tkachuk/Gaudreau situation happen with our young (especially American) players. Those philosophies are pretty much at odds with eachother. A 7 year deal walks him to the exact age Gaudreau was when he walked, and buys a grand total of 2 UFA years total. Whereas the exact 3 year deal Tkachuk got would actually prevent both situations, where he wouldn’t have a qualifying offer that walks him to UFA like Tkachuk, and we could buy almost his entire prime on his next contract covering him from 25 to 32-33 years old.

The irony if you need it explained is the two things people want directly get in the way of eachother, and the one thing people don’t want solves a lot of the issues. Considering this likely aligns with what the player would want as well it could be what’s best for both parties.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

You are 100% right about Covid, I've been banging that drum for a long time.

I'm gonna have to disagree with you on Sharangovich... he hasn't put up back to back decent NHL seasons so far in his career, so giving him that extension was always big risk and Conroy should have waited to see how he did this year.... also he got hurt in one of the final games of the preseason, he didn't miss most of camp.

I wasn't in favor of signing him to that deal at the time either since I didn't really see the fit long term. But I think at the time it was important for PR that people wanted to be in Calgary long term. I don't really view his contract as risky as I think he is an effective player but like with Mangiapane he will have more success when the team has star players above him scoring as well. Team scoring this season is virtually non-existent if Huberdeau isn't involved, and only 13% of his ice time has been with Hubby this season. Also we had a different powerplay structure last season that often ran through Yegor's 1-timer. With him missing the start of the season Calgary had to switch gears and Coronato took that role. I think last year he probably overachieved a bit with 30 goals but I think he is definitely underachieving this season.

You are right about when he got hurt, I couldn't remember how much time he missed in camp but I do remember he missed a lot of time at the start of the season.

 

[Khrox]

Yeah, Coronato definitely seems to have replaced Rango on the PP role, but overall, I'm not mad at Rango's contract either. 5.75 is maybe a little high but that's not gonna hurt us much with the amount the cap is rising and the fact that middle six forwards are already around the 5-6 mil mark.

Coronato I would love to sign an 8 year with. Takes him to 30 years old which isn't a bad age to renegotiate if both sides want to stay together

 

[JPeeper]

Coronato seems like a lock to be a 30 goals goalscorer each year
The question is , can he be more than that ?
My guess is yes and he can be a two way goalscorer and you lock these kind of players asap

Yes, with continued growth both from a hockey perspective and just physically maturing, if Huberdeau is stapled on his other wing I think he easily hits 30 next year and 40 in the future.

 

[Zirakzigil]

I would happily give him an 8 year contract. Problem is what is the amount? With the signifigant cap increases happening over the next 3 years, anything is possible. And is Matt even interested in signing long term as a result? Id easily go 8x8 right now, because in 2 years that probably looks like insane value for the Flames for a 30g scorer. If I am Conroy I lock him up for 8. If I am Matt I probably go for 2 years max.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

I would happily give him an 8 year contract. Problem is what is the amount? With the signifigant cap increases happening over the next 3 years, anything is possible. And is Matt even interested in signing long term as a result? Id easily go 8x8 right now, because in 2 years that probably looks like insane value for the Flames for a 30g scorer. If I am Conroy I lock him up for 8. If I am Matt I probably go for 2 years max.

Same as Guenther? I would have no issue giving him that