Value of: Mathew Barzal

[ALEXIVICH CHULKATURI]

I just want cap space for next seasons UFA class. If one of the three Pasternak/Larkin/ or McKinnon make it to UFA status I would hope the Islanders could do whatever they can to lure them to the Island. Pasternak and Barzal could be this generations Oates and Neeley. The heck with Michael Dal Colle who was cHoses 20 spots ahead of Pasternak.

 

[seabass45]

Would love to know more about this Barzal to Detroit rumor, specifically what Wings were offering. Too bad Yzerman and Lou are as tight lipped as it gets. Would love to have him in Detroit tho, extactly the type of playmaking 1A/1B C they need. Hopefully talks get rekindled this summer.

There was no rumor, Staple was just joking around with an Isles blogger and it blew up and now we’re never going to hear the end of it.

 

[AvatarAang]

It’s like you just dusted off the Tavares pre UFA threads. Where you called for the Isles to move from Tavares and build on younger players… like Barzal.

Who would you like the Isles to prop up next, only to give up before actually giving any supportive players?

You’re likely not getting a better player trading Barzal. The package you get for Barzal likely gives them more of what they have, and less of what they need… more depth, less skill.

So then what? Waste the years of Pelech, Pulock, Dobson and Sorokin while hoping and waiting on landing another skilled player to build on?

Finally someone who gets it.

There were zero complaints about Barzal when the isles were winning games. It’s not his fault that Uncle Lou can’t get him any decent wingers to play with, the dinosaur just keeps re-signing Parise hoping that will solve all his problems.

We’ve already seen how this plays out. Tavares had one of the best contracts in the league and management forced him to carry bums like Matt Moulson. Why would Barzal re-sign when NYI is repeating the same mistakes that they made before he was even drafted?

I wonder if Isles fans will finally clue in that maybe the problem isn’t with Tavares, Barzal etc. They should be holding their management accountable for wasting star talent.

 

[wintersej]

I just want cap space for next seasons UFA class. If one of the three Pasternak/Larkin/ or McKinnon make it to UFA status I would hope the Islanders could do whatever they can to lure them to the Island. Pasternak and Barzal could be this generations Oates and Neeley. The heck with Michael Dal Colle who was cHoses 20 spots ahead of Pasternak.

Can’t speak for the other guys, but Bruins have it setup so Haula, Nosek, Smith, Foligno and Pasta all hit UFA at the same time. Cash certainly won’t be a reason why Pasta would make it to UFA. I could see Larkin not coming back to Detroit, but it would be because Yzerman traded him to a team closer to their window. I think you are gonna be disappointed.

 

[CupHolders]

Finally someone who gets it.​

There were zero complaints about Barzal when the isles were winning games. It’s not his fault that Uncle Lou can’t get him any decent wingers to play with, the dinosaur just keeps re-signing Parise hoping that will solve all his problems.

We’ve already seen how this plays out. Tavares had one of the best contracts in the league and management forced him to carry bums like Matt Moulson. Why would Barzal re-sign when NYI is repeating the same mistakes that they made before he was even drafted?

I wonder if Isles fans will finally clue in that maybe the problem isn’t with Tavares, Barzal etc. They should be holding their management accountable for wasting star talent.

I’m not sure I do get it… since I don’t actually agree with much of the narrative you made in the rest of your post.

 

[kilowatt]

Alright, I’ll bite. What’s the ask from LA?

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

Alright, I’ll bite. What’s the ask from LA?

Clarke + (I just want to see the Kings fans reactions...I know how highly they think of Clarke)

 

[miscs75]

Alright, I’ll bite. What’s the ask from LA?

Unprotected 1st (2023 in hopes LA implodes and the Isles can have another chance at Bedard), top prospect (Clarke) and a relatively young quality roster player.

*note: quality roster player with top 6 potential.

 

[saintunspecified]

I think it's clear that these discussions re NYI are 1 year premature. If NYI aren't much better in the first half next year, a lot of their pieces up front will go on the market. Some NYI fans think this timeline should be moved up, but pretty clear that the organiational decision makers do not agree. If NYI are in a similar place next year, they'll be a ton of movement, and trading Barzal will absolutely be a possibility.

 

[wintersej]

If I am the Islanders, ideally I look to replace the puck moving on the backend lost with Toews and Leddy leaving. And I look to add another piece up front. The backend, honestly, seems to be way more of an issue than upfront despite having a great Pelech+Pulock base to start with. Chara, Aho and Greene just are not top 4 guys and maybe not NHLers, even.

If Barzal looks like a tough sign, then these conversations can start, but as @saintunspecified says, this is all pre-mature. Islanders fans are going to (rightly) ask for far more than Barzal would go for if things go down a bad path (see 1st + Clarke + a good roster player ask above) and no one is going to agree right now.

 

[miscs75]

If I am the Islanders, ideally I look to replace the puck moving on the backend lost with Toews and Leddy leaving. And I look to add another piece up front. The backend, honestly, seems to be way more of an issue than upfront despite having a great Pelech+Pulock base to start with. Chara, Aho and Greene just are not top 4 guys and maybe not NHLers, even.

If Barzal looks like a tough sign, then these conversations can start, but as @saintunspecified says, this is all pre-mature. Islanders fans are going to (rightly) ask for far more than Barzal would go for if things go down a bad path (see 1st + Clarke + a good roster player ask above) and no one is going to agree right now.

Would LA be willing to move Kempe (extended) in this deal? Even that’s not a major ask honestly when it comes to Barzal. The issue is finding another play driving player to replace what Mat does.

 

[saintunspecified]

If Barzal looks like a tough sign, then these conversations can start, but as @saintunspecified says, this is all pre-mature. Islanders fans are going to (rightly) ask for far more than Barzal would go for if things go down a bad path (see 1st + Clarke + a good roster player ask above) and no one is going to agree right now.

On the NYI board it is generally agreed that if the goal is competitiveness in 2022-2023, a LD for the 2nd pairing to play with Dobson is the top priority. It wouldn't be surprising to see Leddy back as a bottom-pairing LD (to play with Mayfield), but we need someone who is better all-around for that 2nd pairing. NYI also have Robin Salo who can likely play 3rd pairing LD minutes next year. The problem is that the UFA class seems to lack anyone that fits that bill, and overpaying long term on Ben Chariot seems like a really bad idea. NYI probably need to seek a trade to fill that spot, but trading Barzal wouldn't obviously wouldn't fit a plan to be competitive next year.

There is a lot more available on the wings in the UFA class, which is why it would be important for NYI to address that 2nd pair LD before the opening of free agency. If they can, I feel good about NYI's chances to grab a winger that can increase their scoring punch or balance their lines. (imo Reilly Smith would be a very good fit)

If it is impossible to address that 2nd pair LD... NYI really need to think about their goals for 2022-2023. Because I agree with you that their inability to get out on transition this year has been caused by ponderously slow D on their bottom 2 pairings. The play style doesn't work if e.g. 1 defender is always responsible for carrying the puck out of the zone. (Noah Dobson has been forced to become a 1 man breakout show).

 

[kilowatt]

Unprotected 1st (2023 in hopes LA implodes and the Isles can have another chance at Bedard), top prospect (Clarke) and a relatively young quality roster player.

*note: quality roster player with top 6 potential.

Unprotected 1st (2023 in hopes LA implodes and the Isles can have another chance at Bedard), top prospect (Clarke) and a relatively young quality roster player.

*note: quality roster player with top 6 potential.

Would LA be willing to move Kempe (extended) in this deal? Even that’s not a major ask honestly when it comes to Barzal. The issue is finding another play driving player to replace what Mat does.

I would think it’s unlikely that both Kempe and Clarke move in the same deal. Kempe is on pace for 36 goals this season, and his 28 goals already scored is higher than Barzal has ever produced. Kempe’s not even a year older than Barzal. I don’t think the difference between these two players is hugely significant anymore.

How about something like Clarke, Iafallo, and a 1st?

 

[miscs75]

I would think it’s unlikely that both Kempe and Clarke move in the same deal. Kempe is on pace for 36 goals this season, and his 28 goals already scored is higher than Barzal has ever produced. Kempe’s not even a year older than Barzal. I don’t think the difference between these two players is hugely significant anymore.

How about something like Clarke, Iafallo, and a 1st?

Iafallo at 28 who hasn’t sniffed 20 goals (topped out at 17 in 19-20) once in his career? Isles pass. His career high of 43 points isn’t even impressive nor would do anything except set the Isles back.

 

[GAGLine]

I just want cap space for next seasons UFA class. If one of the three Pasternak/Larkin/ or McKinnon make it to UFA status I would hope the Islanders could do whatever they can to lure them to the Island. Pasternak and Barzal could be this generations Oates and Neeley. The heck with Michael Dal Colle who was cHoses 20 spots ahead of Pasternak.

Varlamov will be gone by summer 2023, one way or another. Bailey and Beauvillier will both be 1 year from UFA and could likely be moved.

Moving your best offensive player so you can bring in a good offensive player seems counterproductive.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Of course you very well could be right but I bet you at least half make it to UFA status. Cause what is the most important word that causes us from starting a revolution, it’s shopping.

Best chance you’ve got is Nylander wanting $9M+. The rest of those guys ain’t seeing July 1st.

 

[Djp]

I don’t see Matthews or Ajo with the same team for 24/25 season.

they either walk or a big trade occurs by both teams.

 

[Isles72]

I'd do something around Barzal / Scheifele

isles will have the space and dough to extend Mark

 

[sting101]

Would love to get Barzal in Van. What would that look like?

 

[Fist of Fury]

Something along the lines of... Barzal+ for Pettersson+

 

[Lackhalak]

JT Miller straight up

 

[JMac13]

From the Sens any interest in something like 2022 1st + Alex Formenton + B Prospect?

 

[The Real JT]

Can we shut this down?

Isles are offensively challenged and not trading their #1C who admittedly has underperformed for futures or a grab bag of lesser players.

 

[10Ducky10]

I'd do something around Barzal / Scheifele

isles will have the space and dough to extend Mark

What would the adds be in your opinion?

 

[seabass45]

From the Sens any interest in something like 2022 1st + Alex Formenton + B Prospect?

Nope. These are rebuild offers and the Isles aren't rebuilding (also: I think Wings fans had made a better offer on their board from a futures standpoint). The only thing they're considering this offseason is hockey trades. If the Isles aren't in good shape next year then they might consider more drastic changes.