Player Discussion Mason Lohrei

[Dr Hook]

Great analogy ... shakes head

It it fits wear it. You are deciding at 23 years old and less than 100 games into his career that he is what he is. Talk about head shakes.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

It it fits wear it. You are deciding at 23 years old and less than 100 games into his career that he is what he is. Talk about head shakes.

Big difference is at 24 I had my whole like in front of me to develop my skills. He'e a fing D-man playing in the NHL but probably not long, that his lifetime to improve

Has he is game improved ? Not a fing bit. Actually it has, he's worse

Your analogy is dumb and not relevant,

 

[Dr Hook]

Big difference is at 24 I had my whole like in front of me to develop my skills. He'e a fing D-man playing in the NHL but probably not long, that his lifetime to improve

Has he is game improved ? Not a fing bit. Actually it has, he's worse

Your analogy is dumb and not relevant,

Thanks for the personal shot, buddy. See ya.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

I wouldn't want 4-5 D-men like him but teams can afford to ice one defender whose main contribution is the offensive side of the game. Maybe all he turns into is a #6 D-man who can post 50 points and run your No.1 PP. There is room for different skill-sets on the back-end. Bruins don't win a cup without adding a "soft offensive" D-man in Tomas Kaberle, who was basically their No. 5-6 guy on that run.

Losing hockey is not being able to score any goals. Never spending any time in the opponent's offensive zone. As we've seen recently.

Now we are comparing him to an aged out star Dman in Kaberle? When he came to Boston?

Not to mention the other 5 guys where animals, none of that exists on todays roster. He belong in the Minors learning how to play, not with the Bruins. We are in no position for on the job training.

Unless the goal is to lose games, maybe that's the plan going forward this season.

Thanks for the personal shot, buddy. See ya.

What saying you post was Dumb, good god man get some thicker skin

 

[Dr Hook]

Back to Mason Lohrei, excepting those who expect him to play like a prime top pair vet at this stage of his career, I think we all expected there to be some growing pains, and the consensus was the upside and skill set was worth putting up with those. The Bruins definitely have a weak pipeline now (how times have changed) and depth made worse by losing Lindholm, so maybe he was rushed a little too quickly.

I think he's doing okay- he brings a skillset that is lacking on the Bruin blue line, and has been for some time now. Shattenkirk was closest, but he was deep on the back 9. The defensive lapses are hard to look at, but it's also hard to gauge how bad when the team around him is so poor many nights.

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

If the Bruins had a cup contending roster, I would not be surprised if Lohrei was still down in Providence carrying a full #1 dman load working on his game to be a more well rounded NHLer.

As it is, Bruins want him to learn on the fly at the NHL level. He has a heck of a lot of warts still.

But he's always been thought of as a project, and for most NHL "projects" the finished product isn't expected at 24 years old. Especially when they are a defensemen.

There's nothing I have seen that tells me he's got a secure future as an NHL top 4 dman, but we also aren't at the point where you write him off from ever being one.

 

[BruinDust]

Now we are comparing him to an aged out star Dman in Kaberle? When he came to Boston?

Not to mention the other 5 guys where animals, none of that exists on todays roster. He belong in the Minors learning how to play, not with the Bruins. We are in no position for on the job training.

Unless the goal is to lose games, maybe that's the plan going forward this season.


What saying you post was Dumb, good god man get some thicker skin

I'm not comparing him to Kabrele just saying you need more than one skill-set on the back-end. There is room for one guy who brings what Lohrei brings. I'd like to see more heaviness with the rest of the D-group, but just this past summer they brought in the biggest most intimidating D-man in the league in Zadorov. I don't want 6 Zadorov's any more than I'd want 6 Lohei's.

Was he brought up a bit too early? I'd agree. But they don't win a playoff series last year without him. And he can't be sent down now without requiring waivers so it's on-the-job training whether we like it or not.

 

[Absurdity]

The whole defense is having a down year, that doesn't help with his development at all.

 

[Dr Hook]

Was he brought up a bit too early? I'd agree. But they don't win a playoff series last year without him. And he can't be sent down now without requiring waivers so it's on-the-job training whether we like it or not.

Who plays in his spot, anyway? WIth Lindholm out long term, there isn't much. I don't think anyone in Providence is a better option right now and we know what Wotherspoon and Oosterle bring to the table.

 

[BruinDust]

Who plays in his spot, anyway? WIth Lindholm out long term, there isn't much. I don't think anyone in Providence is a better option rightand we know what Wotherspoon and Oosterle bring to the table.

There simply isn't better options. He's slightly ahead on McAvoy in PPG among D-men on this team. Bruins have arguably the worst offensive team in the league. When you suck on offense, can you afford to scratch your top offensive D-man? Seems counter-intuitive to me, even if he has warts defensively at times.

Oesterle and Wotherspoon combined have played 38 games to Lohrei's 39 and they have zero goals and 4 points between them.

 

[LouJersey]

The only issue I see with Lohrei really is he is the only upside defensive prospect they have. He is clearly not ready on the defensive side IMO but the other 5 guys are making like 28 million combined so you need someone on an ELC

 

[neelynugs]

bruins didn't have a defenseman coaching their D before they hired leach to come back.
i did expect there to be improvement this year, but you're also talking about a kid in
lohrei whose development track is going to be longer when it comes to playing D. i
think he was 16 when he moved from forward to D...and most guys in college are just
dominating versus actually learning nuanced defending. mcquaid worked with him here
and there. he's been a pro for a few years. but he's never going to be a shutdown guy.
the hope is we see enough improvement in the 2nd half to go along with his very good
offensive game. seems like a smart kid - they just have to be patient.

 

[PlayMakers]

First off, I don't think people think he sucks defensively because he's big and doesn't lean on guys. People think he sucks defensively because he sucks defensively. He hasn't played D that long and it shows. His reads are poor, his attention to detail is bad, his gaps are bad... I'm sure lots of his previous coaches overlooked his defensive game because he brings so much offense. Heck, even the Bruins are doing that.

He's in a tough spot because if this was the Bruins team of, well any previous year in the last 8, then he'd have so much more wiggle room. You could make mistakes on those teams and they'd get it back. With this team, the margin of victory is so slim that mistakes often equal losses.

The harsh reality is that he is going to take time to become a good defensive D. I do think he'll get there eventually. He's a smart kid, an earnest kid. The good news is that he seems willing to learn and put in the work. The bad news is that he's going to be trick or treat and probably more trick in the short term.

I'd keep him if I can. When it all comes together he could be something.

 

[Over the volcano]

Big difference is at 24 I had my whole like in front of me to develop my skills. He'e a fing D-man playing in the NHL but probably not long, that his lifetime to improve

Has he is game improved ? Not a fing bit. Actually it has, he's worse

Your analogy is dumb and not relevant,

Second year of pro hockey he's making mistakes but also making a whole lot of progress IMO considering the tail spin the rest of the roster is in. I mean the kid is third on the team in assists and more of em than any center in the organization.

Also think the lack of a real training camp/preseason really hurt guys like him. Last year he was absurdly awful in the first few preseason games but worked himself into it by the end. This year the preseason was so disjointed with so many guys bouncing in and out and whatever Montgomery was preaching that never made it to the choir.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Who plays in his spot, anyway? WIth Lindholm out long term, there isn't much. I don't think anyone in Providence is a better option right now and we know what Wotherspoon and Oosterle bring to the table.

Right, at this point it's not like its Boston's plan to let him sink or swim.

They have no choice.

 

[TD Charlie]

First off, I don't think people think he sucks defensively because he's big and doesn't lean on guys. People think he sucks defensively because he sucks defensively. He hasn't played D that long and it shows. His reads are poor, his attention to detail is bad, his gaps are bad... I'm sure lots of his previous coaches overlooked his defensive game because he brings so much offense. Heck, even the Bruins are doing that.

He's in a tough spot because if this was the Bruins team of, well any previous year in the last 8, then he'd have so much more wiggle room. You could make mistakes on those teams and they'd get it back. With this team, the margin of victory is so slim that mistakes often equal losses.

The harsh reality is that he is going to take time to become a good defensive D. I do think he'll get there eventually. He's a smart kid, an earnest kid. The good news is that he seems willing to learn and put in the work. The bad news is that he's going to be trick or treat and probably more trick in the short term.

I'd keep him if I can. When it all comes together he could be something.

This. All of this.

He's exposed easily and often because this team isn't good enough to hide ANY single deficiency from any position.

I like Lohrei, despite him being an unmitigated disaster with any defensive responsibility. This team is trash, at least Lohrei is fun to watch with the puck on his stick.

 

[BruinDust]

bruins didn't have a defenseman coaching their D before they hired leach to come back.
i did expect there to be improvement this year, but you're also talking about a kid in
lohrei whose development track is going to be longer when it comes to playing D. i
think he was 16 when he moved from forward to D...and most guys in college are just
dominating versus actually learning nuanced defending. mcquaid worked with him here
and there. he's been a pro for a few years. but he's never going to be a shutdown guy.
the hope is we see enough improvement in the 2nd half to go along with his very good
offensive game. seems like a smart kid - they just have to be patient.

Makes me wonder if Leach is doing him any favors. Didn't seem like the vitriol for Mason's defensive game was like this last year.

First off, I don't think people think he sucks defensively because he's big and doesn't lean on guys.

There are absolutely people here who think this way. Don't kid yourself. Same with Matt Gryz. Didn't matter what he did in his own end, with some fans he would forever be a shitty defender. Fans despised Hal Gill because he wasn't laying people out all game despite being 6 foot whatever.

If Lane Hutson was here this year leading rookies in scoring would he be getting shit on like this? Most likely.

 

[PlayMakers]

There are absolutely people here who think this way. Don't kid yourself. Same with Matt Gryz. Didn't matter what he did in his own end, with some fans he would forever be a shitty defender. Fans despised Hal Gill because he wasn't laying people out all game despite being 6 foot whatever.

If Lane Hutson was here this year leading rookies in scoring would he be getting shit on like this? Most likely.

I don't disagree that there are people who think that way. People don't like Brazeau because he's not physical. I'm not saying that prejudice doesn't exist, I'm saying the criticism of Lohrei's defensive game is fair and justified.

This isn't a case where Hal Gill is actually a good defensive defenseman and people just can't see it because he doesn't hit. Lohrei is not a good defensive defenseman and it's fair to point that out.

 

[BruinDust]

I don't disagree that there are people who think that way. People don't like Brazeau because he's not physical. I'm not saying that prejudice doesn't exist, I'm saying the criticism of Lohrei's defensive game is fair and justified.

This isn't a case where Hal Gill is actually a good defensive defenseman and people just can't see it because he doesn't hit. Lohrei is not a good defensive defenseman and it's fair to point that out.

And it is. He's struggling with the defensive aspects of the game at the NHL level I don't disagree with that at all.

I still have room for him in this line-up. They need the things he does well if they want to have any success. If they were stronger up front so they didn't need his push from the back-end, that would be one thing, but not the case unfortunately.

One of the best sequences last night was in the 3rd period the Bruins were pressing and Lohrei was helping keep the pressure going in the offensive zone. That's the best way for him to contribute to the Bruins Goals against, play in the other team's zone when he's out there.

 

[Guelph Bruin]

He's at least entertaining on the ice ...both offensively and defensively but seriously ...we need to have a few young ones to watch blossom or bust during an otherwise boring season. That being said, if he's part of a package that brings you the centreman that will ignite Pasta for the next 5 years ....you do that move

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

And it is. He's struggling with the defensive aspects of the game at the NHL level I don't disagree with that at all.

I still have room for him in this line-up. They need the things he does well if they want to have any success. If they were stronger up front so they didn't need his push from the back-end, that would be one thing, but not the case unfortunately.

One of the best sequences last night was in the 3rd period the Bruins were pressing and Lohrei was helping keep the pressure going in the offensive zone. That's the best way for him to contribute to the Bruins Goals against, play in the other team's zone when he's out there.

It doesn’t help that he’s paired with a plug all the time now either.

He struggled defensively at Green Bay and figured it out year 2. He struggled defensively at OSU and figured it out. His track record is to rise to the occasion at each level.

Bruins should be giving him more rope not less.

 

[Dicky113]

He’s a poor man’s dougie Hamilton. And by poor I mean homeless. He’s a homeless dougie Hamilton.

 

[BruinDust]

It doesn’t help that he’s paired with a plug all the time now either.

He struggled defensively at Green Bay and figured it out year 2. He struggled defensively at OSU and figured it out. His track record is to rise to the occasion at each level.

Bruins should be giving him more rope not less.

Can't say I've been a fan of him paired with Andrew Peeke.

He's done his best work with McAvoy but I could probably say that about every LD on the team with maybe the exception of Hampus.

I can see why they wouldn't want Lohrei on the top pair going against other teams best lines.

You'd think Lohrei and Carlo would work well but didn't seem to be the case in a small sample size.

 

[Over the volcano]

He’s a poor man’s dougie Hamilton. And by poor I mean homeless. He’s a homeless dougie Hamilton.

At least Lorhei isn't a dink.

 

[weaponomega]

Theres a lot to like and hate about his game at tmw moment, but he's a second year pro who hasn't been playing D very long. The tools impressive. Will he be able to develop the toolbox?

Where the Bs are at the moment and where they are trending I think it's foolish to dismiss him this early in his career.

He's definitely a mess defensively, but you take the mistakes for now in hopes he can learn and develop into a top 4 guy.