jerseyjinx94
I jinx players.
This guy just scored the biggest goal for this team since '94 and the last 2 pages are about draft picks.
Lord.
Lord.
Marty St. Louis
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jerseyjinx94
I jinx players.
slipknottin
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If people are going to bring up the threads back when the trade went down to gloat about how they were right, you are damn well going to get people who still arent sure the trade was the greatest thing ever.
jerseyjinx94
I jinx players.
Why must there be two factions?
You a Ranger fan? Am I a Ranger fan?
We're up 3-1 in the ECF. The team has rallied around this guy. He just gave us a 3-1 lead with an absolute beautiful snipe in Overtime.
I just don't understand why NOW is the time to do this. Aren't you (meaning those negative about the trade) enjoying the ride at all?
Thirty One
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slipknottin
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jerseyjinx94
I jinx players.
broadwayblue
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It does not compromise my argument in any way. It reinforces my argument, in fact. Talent can be found throughout the draft. Not having a first round pick in the late twenties is not the end of the world if you do a good job with the rest of your picks. Look at our last draft--we picked up two guys in the third round with serious potential, and the guy would took in the fourth is looking like he may become a steal.
It's a calculated decision. Is there enough depth in the system to move two late firsts? Is there enough young talent on the roster to keep us competitive in the next five years? Can we make up for the dearth of picks with UDFA signings and smart trades? Yes across the board.
The team will continue to succeed, and we might even win something this year. Fun stuff. I feel good about where we're at, and good about where we're going.
jerseyjinx94
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Thirty One
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slipknottin
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You are arguing that the first round picks are likely to suck, while the mid-late round picks are likely to be good.
Your argument is completely backwards. Any good drafting team is far far more likely to find good players in the late first than they are to find any in the rest of the draft.
If the rangers were drafting well, then their first round picks would be the MOST likely to turn into good players.
I think a discussion about managing assets and building a successful franchise is a fun one at any point of the season. I think it's actually more fun when the team is potentially on the verge of true success.
slipknottin
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We've seen this debated every which way from Sunday at this point, but there's one angle I think needs more attention when it comes to drafts picks vs success now.
What if the Rangers don't win the Cup this year? Is this trade a failure? What if Marty retires after next year, and we still don't win it? Failure? If so, then we're saying this experience hasn't done anything for our, still young, team.
Practically all great teams have failed in the face of adversity at some point before the win (Hawks and Bruins are great recent examples). Win or lose, our group, filled with players under 28 years old, will have learned more and taken more away from this one season then possibly all their prior years, combined.
That, to me, is what's most valuable. No amount of draft picks can replace that. If this team is to become a consistent threat in this league, it will be due to the things they learned when faced with adversity, not necessarily from 1 or 2 draft picks.
Lottery teams stay lottery teams and great teams stay great teams because they become products of their environment. We are finally building that winning environment.
What if the Rangers don't win the Cup this year? Is this trade a failure? What if Marty retires after next year, and we still don't win it? Failure? If so, then we're saying this experience hasn't done anything for our, still young, team.
Practically all great teams have failed in the face of adversity at some point before the win (Hawks and Bruins are great recent examples). Win or lose, our group, filled with players under 28 years old, will have learned more and taken more away from this one season then possibly all their prior years, combined.
That, to me, is what's most valuable. No amount of draft picks can replace that. If this team is to become a consistent threat in this league, it will be due to the things they learned when faced with adversity, not necessarily from 1 or 2 draft picks.
Lottery teams stay lottery teams and great teams stay great teams because they become products of their environment. We are finally building that winning environment.
Thirty One
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I disagree. This one is great, however.Yea, every move Sather has made in his career has been incredibly fantastic.
Not taking anything away from Marty because that was a beautiful shot, but Tokarski totally misplayed that. The vertical/horizontal (VH) position for goalies is really only to be used when the puck is between the goal line and the side of the faceoff circle closest to the red line ( AKA a very small area). Gave Marty way too much room there, but good goal scorers make goalies pay
GordonGecko
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I think AV was the biggest factor in getting MSL here, IMO. I think he pushed hard to get him here
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I could at least understand it, even if I thought it was way misguided, back when the Rangers were fighting for a playoff spot.I think a discussion about managing assets and building a successful franchise is a fun one at any point of the season. I think it's actually more fun when the team is potentially on the verge of true success.
(What was the thinking again? The Rangers shouldn't have traded for St. Louis because he asked to be traded to the Rangers?)
Now? What... I don't even...
jerseyjinx94
I jinx players.
Whenever you start something off with "Not to..." or "I'm not trying to be," you usually are.
"I don't mean to be confrontational, but you're wrong."
Saying Tokarski misplayed it is crazy. Tokarski robbed him on a breakaway and a few other chances throughout the game. MSL finally buried one. Tokarski has been playing well, MSL sniped a perfect shot. End of story.
CAN'T THIS FRANCHISE'S FANS ENJOY A MOMENT! LOL
Okay, you're having a really hard time understanding things, so I'll say it one more time and then walk away. If you still don't comprehend it, that's on you.
All draft picks are valuable. However, a pick in the 26-30 spot is only marginally more valuable than a pick in the second round. A pick in the second round is only a few percentage points more likely to "make it" than a pick in the third round. So, if you give up the 26th pick in one draft and the 29th in the next, are you sunk? Not even close. As long as you can use your later picks wisely, you can sacrifice those late firsts without taking too much of a hit to your overall depth.
We have a good, young core that should keep us competitive for years. We're in a position where we can gamble those picks without forfeiting our chances of future success. Adding MSL was a smart move for this year and next (at minimum), and if Slats juggles things right, shouldn't cripple our long term hopes.
If we were an old team with a bunch of guys near the end of their careers, I'd feel differently. But we're not. We have the team to go for it this year, and then with savvy retooling, one that will be in this position again in the near future.
slipknottin
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I can't imagine what everyone would've been doing in '93 and '94 when they traded the farm to win. It made me extremely nervous and they were trading actual players and not just theoretical draft picks. This is nothing in comparison.
SA16
Sixstring
There's already data on this if you browse google. Difference between an early first and a late first is >>>>>>>>>>> Late 1st and a Late 2nd
Whenever you start something off with "Not to..." or "I'm not trying to be," you usually are.
"I don't mean to be confrontational, but you're wrong."
Saying Tokarski misplayed it is crazy. Tokarski robbed him on a breakaway and a few other chances throughout the game. MSL finally buried one. Tokarski has been playing well, MSL sniped a perfect shot. End of story.
CAN'T THIS FRANCHISE'S FANS ENJOY A MOMENT! LOL
Tokarski definitely has a little blame in the goal allowed. Every goal minus deflections/screens have to be on the goalie a little bit. I would say the goal allowed was probably 10% his fault. 90% is on his team. There's no reason MSL should have that much time to set up a shot.
When MSL received that pass, Tokarski has to challenge him a little bit. Be at the top of the crease. He was pretty deep I believe.
I'm not not enjoying the moment. Hell -- I was jumping up and down when he scored. But objectively and in hindsight that's my analysis.
Edit: After re-watching the goal, Tokarski was further out that I thought. I guess only with hindsight can you say that he should've came out further. And that's not really fair to use against Tokarkski in game.
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