Chaels Arms
Formerly Lias Andersson
I'm a big fan of how, in your opinion, a few draft picks = our "future" but Chris Kreider, Ryan McDonagh, Marc Staal, Carl Hagelin, Derek Stepan, Mats Zuccarello, Derick Brassard, JT Miller, don't factor in.
Marty St. Louis
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I'm a big fan of how, in your opinion, a few draft picks = our "future" but Chris Kreider, Ryan McDonagh, Marc Staal, Carl Hagelin, Derek Stepan, Mats Zuccarello, Derick Brassard, JT Miller, don't factor in.
slipknottin
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Killem Dafoe
Hold my baby, man.
I don't disagree with your statement, but I guess to me the time is now, because goalies like Hank don't grow on trees. An elite goaltender in his prime is so important. After Richter we have had some piss poor goalies here. I mean. ****ing awful. He's a breath of fresh air for this club and exactly the type of player that wins you cups. He's a player that you need to do what you can to help out as much as possible so that can happen.
I agree with what you are saying, I'm just saying that in this case, it's warranted. You don't tell Hank that in a few years you plan to draft some players who might be good to go, you tell him you're bringing in a top winger and Art Ross trophy winner right now to score goals and help you in the playoffs. And look at last game. The plan, it seems, is working.
slipknottin
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The difference between Callahan and MSL is .5 GPG for the team.
In 2012, Lundqvist played 20 playoff games and had a 1.82 GAA and .931 SVP and finished 10-10. That meant that team could barely score 2 goals a game. Scoring goal number 3 was almost impossible.
During game 5 of the ECF that year the Rangers score 3, but Hank had a bad game, and the season was pretty much over.
Having a guy add .5 towards the team's GPG equals more wins for Hank, more wins for the team.
I said this at the time of the trade, and was eating crow after MSL's rusty start, but it is finally coming to fruition.
Goal number 3 last night = 1 more W till the finals. MSL is elite. LGR.
In 2012, Lundqvist played 20 playoff games and had a 1.82 GAA and .931 SVP and finished 10-10. That meant that team could barely score 2 goals a game. Scoring goal number 3 was almost impossible.
During game 5 of the ECF that year the Rangers score 3, but Hank had a bad game, and the season was pretty much over.
Having a guy add .5 towards the team's GPG equals more wins for Hank, more wins for the team.
I said this at the time of the trade, and was eating crow after MSL's rusty start, but it is finally coming to fruition.
Goal number 3 last night = 1 more W till the finals. MSL is elite. LGR.
Chaels Arms
Formerly Lias Andersson
So if all those guys are part of our "future" than obviously your statement that this trade is ruining our "future" was just competely incorrect?
slipknottin
Registered User
They are trading a part of their future.
Obviously they are not trading every single player under 30. Never meant to imply otherwise. Sorry for the confusion.
No one disputes that it's part of the future. It's not ALL of the future, or even the biggest part of the future.
And, despite the frequent sentiment of HF posters, the present is kind of important, too.
slipknottin
Registered User
It could be the biggest part of their future.
Like I said, the trade is worth it if they win now. If they dont then they have compromised their future to just get a bit closer. Closer is nice, but its not the ultimate goal.
So with our younger core of players, the prospects we currently have, and our remaining picks, it's still possible that our future could be successful. Right?
slipknottin
Registered User
We could also hold onto the picks, draft a couple stiffs (like many guys at the end of the first), and never sniff another SCF. Lots of things COULD happen.
Again, even if we fall short, we've only mortgaged p
PART of our future. And not necessarily a part that prevents us from being a successful franchise in the years to come.
slipknottin
Registered User
How much? Quantify it. Fifty percent? Five percent? Look at the guys taken 27-30. The difference between success and failure? No.
slipknottin
Registered User
So they might as well just not bother with the draft at all then, as long as they keep winning?
If you really believe that having draft picks makes no difference at all to a teams success then I dont have anything to debate with you
Frankly, I think guys like Charlie Coyle, or Etem, or Brock Nelson, or Namestnikov can very much be impact players who win their teams games.
broadwayblue
Registered User
Yeah, while 1st round picks are clearly nice to have, a guy taken 26-30 is far more likely to be a bottom 6 talent, assuming he even makes it at all, than turn into an all-star.
I don't know. Countless people here said adding MSL wouldn't make us a contender, and I called ********. I'm looking pretty good right now.
Losing those two late firsts won't make or break our future. We won't see for another half decade though, so I won't waste any more keystrokes debating it. It is what it is.
Losing those two late firsts won't make or break our future. We won't see for another half decade though, so I won't waste any more keystrokes debating it. It is what it is.
So they might as well just not bother with the draft at all then, as long as they keep winning?
If you really believe that having draft picks makes no difference at all to a teams success then I dont have anything to debate with you
Okay, now you're resorting to absurdity. I never said nor implied as much.
But to your first question--if W could find a way to have consistent success while regularly trading late first round picks, then sure. I'll take that. There's more than one way to build a contender.
slipknottin
Registered User
You are implying late first round picks contribute nothing to teams.
Charlie Coyle, Namistkov, Brock Nelson, Etem, etc. should just be thrown into the dump right now.
broadwayblue
Registered User
And for every Charlie Coyle there are 10 late round guys who don't last 3 years in the league.
slipknottin
Registered User
Thats nice. Its still odds of potentially finding a good player.
Odds that no longer exist when you dont have those picks
Not what I'm implying at all. I'm saying that two late first round picks, given the totality of the circumstances within our current organization, will not be the difference between long term success or long term failure.
Good drafting in the middle and late rounds, wise free agent signings and smart trades can absolutely make up for losing a couple firsts. That's been my argument from post one. The idea that we're somehow going to be ****ed in five years, to me, seems silly.
broadwayblue
Registered User
Right, but the point of those picks is what? I thought we were playing these games to win a championship, no?
Anyway, I'm done with this silliness. You might as well enjoy the ride, since there's no turning back now.
slipknottin
Registered User
3 first round picks, and a 2nd.
And this "good drafting in the middle and late rounds" thing totally compromises your entire argument about how late first round picks are usually wastes.
slipknottin
Registered User
Like I said the entire time, if they win a championship then its all forgiven.
If they dont, then they have sold part of their future for nothing but "being close"
