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Martin Brodeur in doping control test

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I have a strong feeling it will come back negative.

But say, hypothetically, it does come back positive. Would some people then start coming forward? Former trainers, former teammates? What if some of these accusations reach back a number of years? If he admits to it or its proven beyond a reasonable doubt, do they take away his trophies from the "tainted" period?

I reiterate that I am quite confident that he is innocent, but I don't have the foggiest on how it would all play out.

Certainly wouldn't improve hockey's soured imagine in the US.
 
hooty mcboobs said:
Either way, I wouldn't fault Brodeur because many, many athletes are on performance enhancing drugs and I would prefer to see the best, not the best naturally.
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I hope you still feel that way when you find out your heart surgeon cheated during his exams in medical school.
 
King'sPawn said:
I hope you still feel that way when you find out your heart surgeon cheated during his exams in medical school.
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That is hardly the same thing. The analogous situation would be if he took speed to cram for his exams and stay awake the next day.
 
Epsilon said:
That is hardly the same thing. The analogous situation would be if he took speed to cram for his exams and stay awake the next day.
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No, it's a fine analogy. Both are using illegal/unethical outside sources to enhance their performance at a crucial time, instead of relying on their best "natural" ability.
 
NJ_Devil_Boy said:
He's innocent until proven guilty. Some people sound like he's 5 seconds away from being shot. :shakehead
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Nobody was accusing him. He was just randomly selected.

Then he says a Latvian gave him a water bottle and then he insinuates that the committee may not have picked him randomly.

Let's hope he's just being paranoid, and a bit disrespectful.
 
I'm pretty sure players were tested before the Olympics so if he is found to be doping you can rest assured it's a fairly recent thing.
 
rival said:
I'm pretty sure players were tested before the Olympics so if he is found to be doping you can rest assured it's a fairly recent thing.
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ALL players at the Olympics? I don't think so. Same random selection process.
 
This may sound like an extremely arrogant and egocentric view, but hear me out.

Put yourself in Brodeur's shoes. You've been called the best International goalie in the world by some pundits. You've won most accolades a goaltender can get. You go into a tournament and get fleeced for several goals by a country that shouldn't be a problem(not disrespect to the Latvians on my part, I'm speaking as a hypothetical cocky Brodeur, here). You get fleeced for four goals, you certainly don't feel like you were in top form. The next day you get called for a dope test. Three schools of thought emerge:

1.) I did dope. Damn, they're going to catch me. How do I cover my ass?

2.) I didn't do dope. Nothing to worry about, I just had a bad game.

3.) I didn't do dope. But I didn't feel in top form, so how could I have possibly got it?

Personally, I think it's Number 2. Brodeur's been in the bigs and on the international stage for quite some time; definitely not stupid enough to knowingly take drugs before games.

~Canucklehead~
 
rival said:
I'm pretty sure players were tested before the Olympics so if he is found to be doping you can rest assured it's a fairly recent thing.
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I think all the players that played in the World Cup were also tested altough I could be wrong.
 
I'm pretty sure Brodeur made up the water bottle story as a joke. I guess some didn't find it funny.
 
time said:
I'm pretty sure Brodeur made up the water bottle story as a joke. I guess some didn't find it funny.
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Well when you say something and you've got the media around and people can see you they can tell you're joking. But when a reporter writes the quote down and puts it in print and the article does not mention something like Brodeur was laughing when he was making the comments, the comments could be interpreted very differently without the context in which they were spoken. Brodeur usually seems like a happy go lucky guy and probably was joking. However I can see where if he was joking and those comments when taken out of context would seem like he's acting very paranoid or has something to hide.

I remember a situation a while back, I think it was before the 98 Olympics, where in the middle of the summer someone from either the IOC, IIHF or one of the Swedish athletic governing bodies tried to drug test Mattias Norstrom and a few other Swedish players at a national training camp they were having. They called the NHLPA and said that due to the agreement they had whomever was trying to do the testing (I forget whom it was) had no right to test the players out of competition and so they refused the test. The Swedish media was "What do these players have to hide?" and so on even though the players were not supposed to be subject to testing then. Norstrom has been tested in World Championships and Olympics since then and has come up clean but they looked suspicious because they didn't take the test. Brodeur may or may not be guilty but an innocent situation can often look bad before the test results come out.
 
Huh. I thought it was a joke too. Saying sarcastically that they tested him because he played so "well". Didn't hear the water bottle part, but that also sounds like something Brodeur might joke about. Picking the start of the third period because that's when he let in the two long-range goals. Weird story.

I would think for sure they all got tested when they won the Olympic gold.
 
I smell troubles .... :shakehead he preparing an excuse because there are NO RESULTS to the test yet
 
Allyna16 said:
I would think for sure they all got tested when they won the Olympic gold.
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There were tests in Olympic games, but I'm pretty sure that they didn't test everyone in any team, just random picking after game, maybe two or three players after medalround games. That said, it's funny how Wings worst two weeks of the season in NHL were the two weeks before Olympic games, they did have 14 players (if I recall it right) playing in Olympics.

Since NHL doesn't do any dopingtests, I don't believe that there's too many clean players during the normal season. However, everyone of them knows that there's a possibility that you're tested during World Championships, I'm sure they all realize it and take it under consideration.
 
Originally Posted by hooty mcboobs
Either way, I wouldn't fault Brodeur because many, many athletes are on performance enhancing drugs and I would prefer to see the best, not the best naturally.
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OK so what about the ones who dont want to take it becuase it can cause serious set backs in later life? They train just as hard and are just as in their right to be on a level playing field. Next you'll say you want the rink slanted in one direction so it gives an advantage to one side because that way it would be more entertaining and who cares if some people are at an un-natural disadvantage.

It's not the WWE or the circus. It's a professional sport that entertains and alot of money is made and lost in these sports.


Hopefully this is just a mountain out of a mole hill and words have been taken out of context and Brodeur is clean. I'll reserve my opinion and judgement on him until I hear the results of this test.
 
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