Value of: Marner's Contract

[Jondre91]

5X3

1M guaranteed money, the rest all bonuses based on playoff performance. So I guess 1M.

can you even do bonuses for playoffs. since they don't get paid for the playoffs

 

[Menzinger]

Maybe Marner turns out like Kessel.

Kessel was plagued with attitude and work-ethics problems for years. Mocked for hot dogs, lack-luster performances, considered a "Kesselitis" infecting the Leafs as a whole.

He moves on and lands on a contender where his complementary talents mesh well with the superior players like Crosby, Malkin and others...and he thrives for years as an underling...winning 3 Stanley Cups in the last years of his career.

This is being unnecessarily disrespectful to Kessel.

During the 2016 cup run, Kessel led the team in playoff scoring, averaged more icetime than Malkin and would lose the Conn Smythe by a hair to the best hockey player in the world at the time.

That's not the work of an underling.

 

[Ulysses31]

$100m/8y=$12.5m AAV

marner had too much pride to accept that AAV, he will want more money

 

[VivaLasVegas]

Serious question: Exactly which GM has expressed an interest in acquiring Marner?

 

[samsagat]

marner had too much pride to accept that AAV, he will want more money

Well if it's true, he should put his pride into playing his best hockey when it matters most instead of his $$ numbers...

Maybe, I say maybe, if it's true, we got a clue why this team is chocking in the playoffs.

A bunch of superstars who care more about themselves than collective successes..

 

[centipede2233]

Marner’s ego won’t accept anything below the nylander contract. Ego is a hell of a drug

 

[John Mandalorian]

It will be interesting to see what happens. Is Shanahan allowed to make this deal or is his role too tenuous?

 

[Sundinisagod]

Marner’s ego won’t accept anything below the nylander contract. Ego is a hell of a drug

Yes and not in dollars he'll use Nylander's cap percentage as his floor. Nylander used Marner's rfa deal as his floor. Other teams don't have such floors in place, i dont see him getting better offers than his current deal elsewhere, perhaps only from a total non playoff team...which is probably the best fit for him.

 

[centipede2233]

Yes and not in dollars he'll use Nylander's cap percentage as his floor. Nylander used Marner's rfa deal as his floor. Other teams don't have such floors in place, i dont see him getting better offers than his current deal elsewhere, perhaps only from a total non playoff team...which is probably the best fit for him.

This is how I see playing out. Shanahan is in his last year. He’s already replaced the GM, the coach, signed and gave matthews the C, resigned nylander, that leaves marner as the only one left to blame if things go sideways again. Shanny already hinted at marner’s underwelming playoffs this past end of year presser. Marner will not be resigned during the year and if or when things do end badly, marner will walk to ufa and sign to the highest bidder which will be Columbus or Chicago.

There are just some nhlers destined not to win a cup, marner will be one of them

 

[Golden_Jet]

5X3

1M guaranteed money, the rest all bonuses based on playoff performance. So I guess 1M.

Guaranteed money is for all the contract, and there is no playoff bonuses allowed.
Would suggest reading/glancing at the CBA.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

I'd sacrifice a goat and two virgins, because that's what gods deserve.

In all seriousness, I think 13+ is what he'll get but that's too much. He has sexy numbers but is litterally a princess.

dont forget a lamb, gods deserve the best

 

[Mick Riddleton]

Gotta be in the 13 million range for Gods.

 

[Chips]

Leafs biggest mistake was not making a big move sooner.*

They have a new coach right? That’s a big move, but I don’t understand why it took several years, and waited until AFTER extensions/NMC kicked in minimizing their flexibility



Why did they keep Keefe so long? Maybe recognized it was a player issue? So why not move the player? They have had an over abundance of skill scoring (not even “skill scoring forwards”. Skill scoring, condensed into a few players at the top of the roster for years.)


Marners current contract could fit a really really good defenseman and at least one depth scoring forward to mitigate some of the lost offense (as would the right defenseman). Probably could get a draft pick too since scoring forwards are infinitely more valued than solid defenseman, maybe flip some more pieces in the deal to make another trade for another depth forward or fine dman.


Or just Nylander pre-extension. There are really good defensemen still signing for less than 7 mil.


Looking at some of the other trades teams have made over the last several years, I just don’t believe that’s impossible from a creative GM.



You want to have faith in your players? Okay, fire the coach BEFORE you have no say in where your players go anymore.


They’d better hope Berube squeezes a solid ECF or Final performance this year or the noise should be fun.

*they did make a big move though. It’s not outside the realm of possibility they look way better in the playoffs this year, and so none of this will matter anymore. Though it wouldn’t erase the fact that they could have made such a move way sooner and presumably got more from the core

 

[centipede2233]

Leafs biggest mistake was not making a big move sooner.*

They have a new coach right? That’s a big move, but I don’t understand why it took several years, and waited until AFTER extensions/NMC kicked in minimizing their flexibility



Why did they keep Keefe so long? Maybe recognized it was a player issue? So why not move the player? They have had an over abundance of skill scoring (not even “skill scoring forwards”. Skill scoring, condensed into a few players at the top of the roster for years.)


Marners current contract could fit a really really good defenseman and at least one depth scoring forward to mitigate some of the lost offense (as would the right defenseman). Probably could get a draft pick too since scoring forwards are infinitely more valued than solid defenseman, maybe flip some more pieces in the deal to make another trade for another depth forward or fine dman.


Or just Nylander pre-extension. There are really good defensemen still signing for less than 7 mil.


Looking at some of the other trades teams have made over the last several years, I just don’t believe that’s impossible from a creative GM.



You want to have faith in your players? Okay, fire the coach BEFORE you have no say in where your players go anymore.


They’d better hope Berube squeezes a solid ECF or Final performance this year or the noise should be fun.

*they did make a big move though. It’s not outside the realm of possibility they look way better in the playoffs this year, and so none of this will matter anymore. Though it wouldn’t erase the fact that they could have made such a move way sooner and presumably got more from the core

If there is one thing the leafs are great at, is extremely poor hiring of management and the timing that follows. They kept keefe because dubas was never firing him. Then when dubas left, treliving wanted to see atleast a year, but on top gave him a 2 yr extension only to fire him a few months later. This is all on Shanahan’s watch, and he is a moron of epic proportions. Shanahan will throw marner under the bus so fast at next years end of year presser if things go south again. Whether that saves his job is up to petty. I used to like the leafs, pat Quinn, Wendell clark, Doug gilmour, mats sundin, McCabe, kaberle, likeable people and players. Now we just have incompetence and selfish players with big egos and maturity of a 3 yr old. As gifted as matthews is, he is unlikable, plays every meaningless game to get to 70 goals instead of resting and then doesn’t get 70 and misses the first round because of illness. You just can’t make this stuff up. F*ck the leafs, I hope they miss the playoffs and MLSE cleans house and actually makes a good hire in their life.

 

[hockey20000]

10m x6 i dont care how well he does in regular season hes proved he sucksi n playoffs for years now to small and no heart no fight when it matters.

 

[TurgPavs]

And this right here is why it's so important to actually watch games instead of staring at a stat sheet

Ah yes the Classic, "I dont need facts I watch the games".......ok buddy!

 

[HockeyVirus]

Marner’s ego won’t accept anything below the nylander contract. Ego is a hell of a drug

I am fine paying Marner Nylanders caphit + cap inflation which should be like ~11.75 for 8 years. In 3 seasons when the cap is 105M having 3 stars locked in will be huge.

I just think this time is funny, other fans seem to think we care about losing Marner. We will still be a top 10 offensive team without him, and we would have 22+ in cap space after him and Tavares leave. Not the end of the world at all and I would rather do that than give him 13/14 whatever insanity is out there.

Leafs should let Marner look for a deal himself and when he sees no playoff teams are offering 13M for 7 years, he can decide between an extra 1M a season to go play for a rebuilding team or stay in TO. If he doesnt want to be a Leaf we don't want him.

 

[centipede2233]

I am fine paying Marner Nylanders caphit + cap inflation which should be like ~11.75 for 8 years. In 3 seasons when the cap is 105M having 3 stars locked in will be huge.

I just think this time is funny, other fans seem to think we care about losing Marner. We will still be a top 10 offensive team without him, and we would have 22+ in cap space after him and Tavares leave. Not the end of the world at all and I would rather do that than give him 13/14 whatever insanity is out there.

Leafs should let Marner look for a deal himself and when he sees no playoff teams are offering 13M for 7 years, he can decide between an extra 1M a season to go play for a rebuilding team or stay in TO. If he doesnt want to be a Leaf we don't want him.

I agree. One star player in hockey doesn’t move the needle much, especially in a cap world. Losing marner for nothing isn’t the end of the world. Paying a player $11 million a year to only be worth 7-8 million come playoff time is negative value. Toronto can offer the most money because of the 8th year. Toronto might give him the stamkos treatment, lowball him to force him out

 

[HockeyVirus]

I agree. One star player in hockey doesn’t move the needle much, especially in a cap world. Losing marner for nothing isn’t the end of the world. Paying a player $11 million a year to only be worth 7-8 million come playoff time is negative value. Toronto can offer the most money because of the 8th year. Toronto might give him the stamkos treatment, lowball him to force him out

Depends how the season goes. Another performance like last playoff for Marner the fanbase will be very happy to let him walk. If he shows up and we make the final 4 or better, we would happily pay him the Nylander deal + inflation.

Marner was overpaid his entire RFA deal, he doesn't deserve a raise but will get one. It better not be more than 1M raise with the Leafs.

 

[AvroArrow]

Ah yes the Classic, "I dont need facts I watch the games".......ok buddy!

Ah the classic "I don't watch hockey games so let me take stats completely out of context and come to conclusions"

Watch the games buddy

 

[TurgPavs]

Ah the classic "I don't watch hockey games so let me take stats completely out of context and come to conclusions"

Watch the games buddy

Marner is a 1.11 Points per game player in the regular season.
In games that Matthews has missed, Marner is a 1.16 Point Per Game player......Dude does better without Matthews on the ice.

In 4 playoffs, in elimination games, Marner is a .71 and Matthews a .75 Points Per Game.
Matthews missed two games due to a Tummy ache in the playoffs, how many has Marner missed?

Absolutely astonishing that a fan base points a finger at Marner and not a guy that missed games due to a tummy ache? WTF.

 

[AvroArrow]

Marner is a 1.11 Points per game player in the regular season.
In games that Matthews has missed, Marner is a 1.16 Point Per Game player......Dude does better without Matthews on the ice.

In 4 playoffs, in elimination games, Marner is a .71 and Matthews a .75 Points Per Game.
Matthews missed two games due to a Tummy ache in the playoffs, how many has Marner missed?

Absolutely astonishing that a fan base points a finger at Marner and not a guy that missed games due to a tummy ache? WTF.

Thank you for further proving my point

 

[34]

$11.5M x 8

 

[John Mandalorian]

Marner is a 1.11 Points per game player in the regular season.
In games that Matthews has missed, Marner is a 1.16 Point Per Game player......Dude does better without Matthews on the ice.

In 4 playoffs, in elimination games, Marner is a .71 and Matthews a .75 Points Per Game.
Matthews missed two games due to a Tummy ache in the playoffs, how many has Marner missed?

Absolutely astonishing that a fan base points a finger at Marner and not a guy that missed games due to a tummy ache? WTF.

Is this parody or something?

 

[TS Quint]

Depends how the season goes. Another performance like last playoff for Marner the fanbase will be very happy to let him walk. If he shows up and we make the final 4 or better, we would happily pay him the Nylander deal + inflation.

Marner was overpaid his entire RFA deal, he doesn't deserve a raise but will get one. It better not be more than 1M raise with the Leafs.

I don't know why you think Marner would ever accept the Nylander deal when his production has been far better than Nylander except for Nylander's......surprise surprise....contract year. Even then Marner was still more productive. There's no way Shannahan comes to the table with Nylander's contract even as a starting point. Shannahan loves his boys and will treat Marner as he has his other boys.

Marner like Nylander is coming for his contract this year. Leafs fans on HF will reconcile their weird hate for Marner with Burube being a Babcock like "great coach", bringing the best out of Marner unlike that damn Keefe (Leafs fans love to blame guys who just left the org).. Marner gets $13×8 by February, Leafs fans rejoice and claim they loved Marner all along.