Marner Predictions - What Happens Now

[Antropovsky]

Who cares? It’s just another insignificant thing you’re trying to make into a big deal?

The leafs have posters all over the city and the internet with various players. I don’t think it’s an indication of anything. Rielly isn’t on the poster either, should we assume he’s gone too?

Remind me who the "Core 4" were again?

 

[thusk]

I'm really looking forward to watching Berube insist and demand for EVERY Leaf player to finish EVERY check physically and winning 50/50 puck battles all over the ice.

The weak and the soft will be left behind and only the big and strong will survive, while turning figure skaters into real hockey players in preparation for long playoff runs playing big heavy winning hockey.

It's not about finishing check but about working hard, winning battle and protecting the puck

 

[Antropovsky]

You’re obviously not too familiar with the players career, that certainly doesn’t describe ‘all his life’.

....do tell Paul, do tell.

 

[Antropovsky]

It's not about finishing check but about working hard, winning battle and protecting the puck

Exactly, Berube pointed it out: working hard and competing are two different things. He said that on his team, any player who doesn’t do both will have problems.

Marner might work hard, but his compete level is one of the lowest. There’s plenty of video evidence from the playoffs to prove it.

 

[HolyCrap]

I’m not holding my breathe, but if the Leafs ever do win another cup in my lifetime I’ll definitely take ghat off my bucket list snd find something else to occupy my time…….

Same. If the Leafs actually win the cup, I’ll find the nerve to finally ask Jessica Alba out. But like you said I won’t hold my breath.

 

[Antropovsky]

You can see Berube's mindset in his comments coming in at camp.

For example lets take rookie Grebenkin ... Check out the emphasis on "Size" and "Strong" mentioned in just 1 single line.

New Leafs head coach Craig Berube had some surprising things to say about rookie Nikita Grebenkin after the first day of on-ice sessions at training camp.​

Drafted in the fifth round of the 2022 draft, Grebenkin has spent the past three seasons in the KHL, winning a Gagarin Cup championship with Magnitogorsk Metallurg last season. Since being drafted, the 21-year-old winger has skated in 119 games where he has registered 67 points, including a 19-goal, 41-point campaign last season.

The now 6'2, 210-pound right winger began training camp with the Leafs this week and after the first on-ice session, he left new head coach Craig Berube quite surprised and impressed. Berube had this to say about the dynamic winger:





Leafs might be moving toward bigger more physical players like Greb and Knies and away from small, soft players in the future.

But how smart is he? Is he smart enough to bait an opponent to be first on a loose puck, so he can surprise them on their high side and attempt to block their clear?

Chess my friend...when everyone else is playing checkers.

 

[thusk]

Exactly, Berube pointed it out: working hard and competing are two different things. He said that on his team, any player who doesn’t do both will have problems.

Marner might work hard, but his compete level is one of the lowest. There’s plenty of video evidence from the playoffs to prove it.

I never saw any player with low compete level able to shutdown top opposite weapon shift after shift

 

[Antropovsky]

I never saw any player with low compete level able to shutdown top opposite weapon shift after shift

Fake news. There isn't another leaf that is remotely close to him in causing important goals against in the playoffs.

Game 2 vs Boston, his player scored both of Bostons goals.

Game 3 vs Florida, he gave the puck away inside his zone for the gwg.

Game 6 vs Tampa, his giveaway and subsequent bad defense caused the gwg in OT.

Game 6 or 7 vs Montreal his delay of game penalty caused the 2man pp goal against.

Game 6 or 7 vs Montreal his giveaway at the opponents blueline was essentially the game winning goal.

And I'm only getting warmed up. I'm not going to post the videos again for you for the 109th time either.

 

[Racer88]

If they win the cup, they could miss the playoffs for the rest of their careers, show up to camp forty points over weight, never back check once, flip the bird to the fans every night, and still be BELOVED for entirety. Are we serious. One cup for a TML is the end game.

Wow talk about taking things to the extreme. lol If that were to be the case, I unlike some here would re evaluate my position based on the new set circumstances and adjust accordingly.
These are short posts in a fan site, I didn’t think we had to account for all possible scenarios in human existence………my bad

 

[thusk]

Fake news. There isn't another leaf that is remotely close to him in causing important goals against in the playoffs.

Game 2 vs Boston, his player scored both of Bostons goals.

Game 3 vs Florida, he gave the puck away inside his zone for the gwg.

Game 6 vs Tampa, his giveaway and subsequent bad defense caused the gwg in OT.

Game 6 or 7 vs Montreal his delay of game penalty caused the 2man pp goal against.

Game 6 or 7 vs Montreal his giveaway at the opponents blueline was essentially the game winning goal.

And I'm only getting warmed up. I'm not going to post the videos again for you for the 109th time either.

again boston 1st goal, liljegren 1/2 was on those passing lane and marner had no reason to go on the same passing lan

boston 2nd goal, so you try to tell me its marner fault if Benoit lost his 1v1 battle?

you really talked and gallagher goal who was probably amount top 3 worst goal allowed in playoff by toronto last 25 year? Its like an awful shot than even a Pee-Wee goalie would be able to stop it.


and you can do the exact thing with every player... Like gm 3 vs bos GWG is all about Matthews .


Nylander just last year vs tampa

Gm 6 stamkos tying goal is all about him

gm 3 2 of 3 goal all about nylander lack of compete/work

gm 4 sergachev goal nylander making figure skating in the defensive end nd get caught out of position.

Its not pretty hard to find key moment where they making mistake.

The funniest thing is when you trying to attribute mistake of other player to marner

 

[57 Years No Cup]

I'd expect the criticism from TSN sources to ramp up considerably now that Bell is no longer in the Leafs business.

Marner and the team likely will need to brace themselves and drown it all out

Or they could stop being victims and use it as motivation to get better.

 

[Menzinger]

Or they could stop being victims and use it as motivation to get better.

Who knows how they will respond, especially Marner.

The only certainty is that tsn coverage is going to be a lot more vocally critical then they have been in the recent past

 

[Antropovsky]

again boston 1st goal, liljegren 1/2 was on those passing lane and marner had no reason to go on the same passing lan

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boston 2nd goal, so you try to tell me its marner fault if Benoit lost his 1v1 battle?

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you really talked and gallagher goal who was probably amount top 3 worst goal allowed in playoff by toronto last 25 year? Its like an awful shot than even a Pee-Wee goalie would be able to stop it.


and you can do the exact thing with every player... Like gm 3 vs bos GWG is all about Matthews .


Nylander just last year vs tampa

Gm 6 stamkos tying goal is all about him

gm 3 2 of 3 goal all about nylander lack of compete/work

gm 4 sergachev goal nylander making figure skating in the defensive end nd get caught out of position.

Its not pretty hard to find key moment where they making mistake.

The funniest thing is when you trying to attribute mistake of other player to marner

Wait...

Your initial statement was:
Marner has shut down the oppositions top offensive player shift after shift.

And I said it's not true.

You thought comparing Marners defensive mistakes to Nylanders was gonna beef up your initial statement that Marner shut down all his opponents and therefore has a high compete level?

Interesting approach

 

[Evilhomer]

I think the chances of us losing in round 1 or 2 is measurably significant. I feel like a vast majority of fans would be pleased with 1 or 2 conference finals appearances in the next 5+ years. I don't find that good enough and that seems like the absolute peak of this core, which we haven't seen by the way despite a 69 goal performance and a hart trophy in 2 different seasons. I'd very much accept a small step back to raise the ceiling of the team with a younger player. How can you look at the exciting contracts Byfield, Seider, Raymond, receive and have optimism that were going to not only maintain our standing, but improve?

Because Matthews, Nylander and Marner are each better than all of those guys?

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Because Matthews, Nylander and Marner are each better than all of those guys?

You'd rather have Willy or Mitch at their $ vs Mo, a #1RD at 8.5M long term whose 6'3 and murders 20 guys per year and is only 23?

 

[thusk]

Wait...

Your initial statement was:
Marner has shut down the oppositions top offensive player shift after shift.

And I said it's not true.

You thought comparing Marners defensive mistakes to Nylanders was gonna beef up your initial statement that Marner shut down all his opponents and therefore has a high compete level?

Interesting approach

not really... Everyone was making mistake, it's hockey. So just try to find every mistake a player doing

Leafs allowed 2 ES goal with Marner on the ice vs Boston... Benoit missing his 1v1 battle vs pastrnak and rielly missing his 1vs battle vs pastrnak... 2 goal Marner could do nothing

Florida serie was harder for him against and struggling vs Tkachuk line where he allowed 4( but should be 3, 1 of those 4 was in a line change where he just step in the ice and never had time to rach defensive zone)

Tampa in last 2 series 13 game, Toronto allowed only 2 goal in 13 game when marner was on the ice vs tampa top 6. 1 of those 2 was OT goal you're focus because he dont the puck in neutral zone

The number of goal leafs allowed with marner on the ice at 5v5 last 3 year is basically the same number than the number.

Just as comparaison, 7 in last 4 series (or 8 if you want to include the goal he just step in), it's the same number of goal allowed in 2023 tampa series alone with nylander on the ice vs tampa top 6

 

[thewave]

not really... Everyone was making mistake, it's hockey. So just try to find every mistake a player doing

Leafs allowed 2 ES goal with Marner on the ice vs Boston... Benoit missing his 1v1 battle vs pastrnak and rielly missing his 1vs battle vs pastrnak... 2 goal Marner could do nothing

Florida serie was harder for him against and struggling vs Tkachuk line where he allowed 4( but should be 3, 1 of those 4 was in a line change where he just step in the ice and never had time to rach defensive zone)

Tampa in last 2 series 13 game, Toronto allowed only 2 goal in 13 game when marner was on the ice vs tampa top 6. 1 of those 2 was OT goal you're focus because he dont the puck in neutral zone

The number of goal leafs allowed with marner on the ice at 5v5 last 3 year is basically the same number than the number.

Just as comparaison, 7 in last 4 series (or 8 if you want to include the goal he just step in), it's the same number of goal allowed in 2023 tampa series alone with nylander on the ice vs tampa top 6

Forgive me for popping in here. I just want to say that MM has this linemate that plays C and is really really good but somehow he gets all the credit and AM nothing. WN carries the reanimated corpse of JT around too.

OK carry on.

 

[thusk]

Forgive me for popping in here. I just want to say that MM has this linemate that plays C and is really really good but somehow he gets all the credit and AM nothing. WN carries the reanimated corpse of JT around too.

OK carry on.

MM get all the credit?!?! where? What i see personally is Matthews get every credit for everything positive happening on that line and Marner got all the negative shit coming with...

Even if Matthews played with MM biggest part of the time 3 of last 4 series, he still get a negative differential against opposite top 6

Even if Marner played with Jt or domi line last playoff with an ankle clearly not at 100%, he still had a huge imoact vs marchand / pastrnak line

But yes playing with Matthews help Marner to play at higher level but the reverse is also true. Matthews without Marner defensively was not always sexy.

 

[Arzak]

MM get all the credit?!?! where? What i see personally is Matthews get every credit for everything positive happening on that line and Marner got all the negative shit coming with...

Even if Matthews played with MM biggest part of the time 3 of last 4 series, he still get a negative differential against opposite top 6

Even if Marner played with Jt or domi line last playoff with an ankle clearly not at 100%, he still had a huge imoact vs marchand / pastrnak line

But yes playing with Matthews help Marner to play at higher level but the reverse is also true. Matthews without Marner defensively was not always sexy.

No.

What hot steaming pile of spam. Matthews was just nominated for Selke,"not always sexy without Mitch"? He'll be fine once Mitch moves to 3rd line and Utah subsequently.

 

[Antropovsky]

MM get all the credit?!?! where? What i see personally is Matthews get every credit for everything positive happening on that line and Marner got all the negative shit coming with...

Even if Matthews played with MM biggest part of the time 3 of last 4 series, he still get a negative differential against opposite top 6

Even if Marner played with Jt or domi line last playoff with an ankle clearly not at 100%, he still had a huge imoact vs marchand / pastrnak line

But yes playing with Matthews help Marner to play at higher level but the reverse is also true. Matthews without Marner defensively was not always sexy.

So it's a conspiracy against marner? By the media, fans and management?

 

[thusk]

No.

What hot steaming pile of spam. Matthews was just nominated for Selke,"not always sexy without Mitch"? He'll be fine once Mitch moves to 3rd line and Utah subsequently.

In playoff, yeah Matthews line was struggling vs marchand line pretty hard...where they allowed 2 goal ( vs 1 for) took 5 penalty who cost 3 goal( vs 2 draw who single and didn't record a single goal) in the first 3 game. 50% of boston goal was result of matthews line.

The day marchand stop playing against matthews line, that line became pretty invisible...

But who's care? They was good offensively on gm 2 so all the rest doesn't matter

If leafs want to reach next level, every player, no exception need to be better. It's not about 1 player but about how they playing as a team.

Marner got a part of responsabilties for leafs failed... same for matthews and Nylander and every player...reacting if like Marner is the only 1 who need to raise his game is just stupid.

 

[Racer88]

Exactly, Berube pointed it out: working hard and competing are two different things. He said that on his team, any player who doesn’t do both will have problems.

Marner might work hard, but his compete level is one of the lowest. There’s plenty of video evidence from the playoffs to prove it.

Yup

 

[Nineteen67]

Exactly, Berube pointed it out: working hard and competing are two different things. He said that on his team, any player who doesn’t do both will have problems.

Marner might work hard, but his compete level is one of the lowest. There’s plenty of video evidence from the playoffs to prove it.

This is why they can’t re-sign Marner until they see how he competes in the playoffs. The Leafs management is in horrible spot and the opening presser exemplified where they are.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Who knows how they will respond, especially Marner.

The only certainty is that tsn coverage is going to be a lot more vocally critical then they have been in the recent past

Good.

 

[Evilhomer]

You'd rather have Willy or Mitch at their $ vs Mo, a #1RD at 8.5M long term whose 6'3 and murders 20 guys per year and is only 23?

Yes, I would rather have the near 100 point guys and the near 70 goal scorer than Byfield or Raymond, neither of whom have approached, and likely never will approach, the offensive numbers that Mathews, Marner and Nylander have. Seider should be a good defenseman, but right now he is a 40-50 point guy on a very big contract in its own right. Sometimes the grass isn't always greener.