Marner Predictions - What Happens Now

[Gabriel426]

Let’s say marner signs for 12
Marty 13
Marner 12
Nylander 11
That’s 36 and change with lots of money to
Sign some pieces to put us over the top

Compared to

Mcdavid 16
Drai 14
Bouchard 10
Nurse 9.5
With no money left to add

It is really not so much as how much the top 4 guys make but how they perform in the playoffs.
For example,
Our big four makes about 46.65mil this season.
McD-12.5
Mack-12.6
Barkov-10
Pastra- 11.25

That’s 46.35mil.

I think having the latter four will get more bang for the bucks than our four.
Most of all, the latter four can play on three different and balance lines.

Knies-McD-Pastra
Domi-Mack-Robbie
McMann-Barkov-Calle

Are much better what we have now.

 

[ULF_55]

It is really not so much as how much the top 4 guys make but how they perform in the playoffs.
For example,
Our big four makes about 46.65mil this season.
McD-12.5
Mack-12.6
Barkov-10
Pastra- 11.25

That’s 46.35mil.

I think having the latter four will get more bang for the bucks than our four.
Most of all, the latter four can play on three different and balance lines.

Knies-McD-Pastra
Domi-Mack-Robbie
McMann-Barkov-Calle

Are much better what we have now.

Where did Kucherov go with his $9.5mm, and his 2 Cups to rule them all.

 

[Legion34]

Considering this all has nothing to do with anything…….

Can someone with better technical knowledge than me explain why Willie is seen to be a better C then Marner? Outside of face offs?

Mitch is a playmaker can carry the puck and plays D. Other than “he’s always been a winger” what’s the analysis that indicates he can’t where as Willie supposedly/hopefully can?
I don’t see what Willie does that Mitch doesn’t and Mitch is a more committed 200ft player.

 

[ULF_55]

Considering this all has nothing to do with anything…….

Can someone with better technical knowledge than me explain why Willie is seen to be a better C then Marner? Outside of face offs?

Mitch is a playmaker can carry the puck and plays D. Other than “he’s always been a winger” what’s the analysis that indicates he can’t where as Willie supposedly/hopefully can?
I don’t see what Willie does that Mitch doesn’t and Mitch is a more committed 200ft player.

It could be about strength and speed, and the fact he wasn't able to play center at any high level?

But yeah, I've often wondered why he isn't given a go at it?

Maybe they asked and he declined?

 

[francis246]

Considering this all has nothing to do with anything…….

Can someone with better technical knowledge than me explain why Willie is seen to be a better C then Marner? Outside of face offs?

Mitch is a playmaker can carry the puck and plays D. Other than “he’s always been a winger” what’s the analysis that indicates he can’t where as Willie supposedly/hopefully can?
I don’t see what Willie does that Mitch doesn’t and Mitch is a more committed 200ft player.

I think Willie has some experience playing C at the pro level, AHL and in the Sweden league. Dad also played Center so I think he understands it. Then Willie just bigger so can handle the down low assignments better

 

[ULF_55]

So Berube already adjusting marner?

Shut off the alarm ...

 

[hamzarocks]

Considering this all has nothing to do with anything…….

Can someone with better technical knowledge than me explain why Willie is seen to be a better C then Marner? Outside of face offs?

Mitch is a playmaker can carry the puck and plays D. Other than “he’s always been a winger” what’s the analysis that indicates he can’t where as Willie supposedly/hopefully can?
I don’t see what Willie does that Mitch doesn’t and Mitch is a more committed 200ft player.

Nylander is better at rushing the puck up the ice through the center, better at breakouts and is a superior strength and speed skater than marner

Nylander also drives to the net sometimes and finishes front of net plays or from high bumper shooting areas, where marner now seems fixated at high point shots or play making from.the boards at either wing

Dont think either has any shot of being a C on a team that is in a cup or bust year (per rielly at least), but Nylander has more obvious strengths that make him seem a more passable choice and has played C in SHL and AHL at the pro level vs Marner having -10 games or so in 2016 where his OHL production went down on the Knights

 

[thusk]

Considering this all has nothing to do with anything…….

Can someone with better technical knowledge than me explain why Willie is seen to be a better C then Marner? Outside of face offs?

Mitch is a playmaker can carry the puck and plays D. Other than “he’s always been a winger” what’s the analysis that indicates he can’t where as Willie supposedly/hopefully can?
I don’t see what Willie does that Mitch doesn’t and Mitch is a more committed 200ft player.

and people dont realize than using nylander at C will result of Nylander not able to use his speed as much to create breakaway 2v1 and as much scoring chance and probably having a negative impact on his 5v5 production...

removing that part of nylander, honestly i dont know how that should help the team...

 

[ULF_55]

and people dont realize than using nylander at C will result of Nylander not able to use his speed as much to create breakaway 2v1 and as much scoring chance and probably having a negative impact on his 5v5 production...

removing that part of nylander, honestly i dont know how that should help the team...

The intent is to have 3 scoring lines.

So playing to win, rather than playing not to lose.

Really, really depends on the supporting cast.

Matthews needs marner or he can't score enough.
Tavares has done well without stars on his line while with the Islanders.
Nylander will need support for the defensive part of the game, to free him up for offense, or he'll have to play more defensively and hope the Leafs have found some other assets who can score goals .

Yeah, I agree outside of Matthews, Nylander, marner and Tavares there hasn't been much to worry about while facing the Leafs.

 

[IPS]

Matthews needs marner or he can't score enough.

Wait wait wait.. why the hell are we paying Matthews the money we're paying him when he needs a specific winger or he can't score enough.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Wait wait wait.. why the hell are we paying Matthews the money we're paying him when he needs a specific winger or he can't score enough.

I think the way he produced with Domi instead of Marner suggests that he'd be just fine without Marner.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Let’s say marner signs for 12
Marty 13
Marner 12
Nylander 11
That’s 36 and change with lots of money to
Sign some pieces to put us over the top

Compared to

Mcdavid 16
Drai 14
Bouchard 10
Nurse 9.5
With no money left to add

You should at least compare the same number of players, preferably the same positions, but:

Matty 13
Marner 12
Nylander 11
Rielly 7.5

That’s 43.5

Compared to

Mcdavid 16
Drai 14
Bouchard 10
Nurse 9.5

That's 49.5

Not all that much different.

The fact that you included two forwards and two D for Edmonton, and their making the finals, shows that they have a better balance, which has been the biggest complaint against the Leafs for the last few years.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Considering this all has nothing to do with anything…….

Can someone with better technical knowledge than me explain why Willie is seen to be a better C then Marner? Outside of face offs?

Mitch is a playmaker can carry the puck and plays D. Other than “he’s always been a winger” what’s the analysis that indicates he can’t where as Willie supposedly/hopefully can?
I don’t see what Willie does that Mitch doesn’t and Mitch is a more committed 200ft player.

Bigger, stronger, faster, as good a playmaker, better at carrying the puck and zone entries, and a much better shot.

Better at faceoffs, and there's not as much difference in defence as some people say.

He has also played centre a lot more recently than Marner, and at a lot higher level.

That's not to say Marner may not be good at centre, but I think the likelihood is that Nylander will be better there.

There is also the possibility that this will be Mitch's last season here, while moving Willy to centre may be seen as a long term investment.

 

[ToneDog]

Bigger, stronger, faster, as good a playmaker, better at carrying the puck and zone entries, and a much better shot.

Better at faceoffs, and there's not as much difference in defence as some people say.

He has also played centre a lot more recently than Marner, and at a lot higher level.

That's not to say Marner may not be good at centre, but I think the likelihood is that Nylander will be better there.

There is also the possibility that this will be Mitch's last season here, while moving Willy to centre may be seen as a long term investment.

McD and Draisailtl also produce close to their regular season numbers in the playoffs while our forwards' production in the playoffs drops significantly.

 

[notDatsyuk]

McD and Draisailtl also produce close to their regular season numbers in the playoffs while our forwards' production in the playoffs drops significantly.

I think you quoted the wrong one of my posts, but....

I agree - the only one of our players who produces close to regular season is Nylander.

 

[Gabriel426]

Where did Kucherov go with his $9.5mm, and his 2 Cups to rule them all.

Wanted to add Kuch instead of Pastra but want to make it 4 10mil plus players

Hyman scored at a clip that may never be replicated

plays sure died when Hyman touched the puck in the Ozone for the Oilers since he scored 16 goals which is more than AM, MM and JT combined over the past two playoffs.

 

[francis246]

Wanted to add Kuch instead of Pastra but want to make it 4 10mil plus players


plays sure died when Hyman touched the puck in the Ozone for the Oilers since he scored 16 goals which is more than AM, MM and JT combined over the past two playoffs.

Shooting % going down doesn’t mean that you can’t make plays.

 

[ToneDog]

I think you quoted the wrong one of my posts, but....

I agree - the only one of our players who produces close to regular season is Nylander.

Yes I thought I was quoting the conversation comparing cap hits of Oilers Big 4 and ours. 3 of our 4 fall short while 3 or their 4 thrive in the playoffs.

 

[DarkKnight]

Cause people want everyone to be miserable here. They think it’s going to spark change. Unhappy fans = someone traded or moved. We know this ain’t true though. MLSE doesn’t care what fans think or want otherwise Marner would have been moved.

I personally don’t care if people think my optimism is stupid. I watch the leafs for enjoyment and fun. It’s not life or death. Everyone has the choice to stop watching if the team pisses them off so much. So ima believe in them every year until I’m a goner.

The beginning of a new season is the time for optimism. It’s pretty sweet to know we are basically a lock playoff team, Leafs fans of all people should appreciate that at least. We have a shot, every year brings new opportunity. Players from, learn from mistakes, these are exceptional people. I criticize with the best of them, but some are just miserable in their lives and project it here, it’s so transparent.

Go Leafs go, maybe we do something this year.

 

[Nineteen67]

I am not saying AM is like them but those are pretty much the top 4 Center in the league at that time and AM is a top 4 Center in the league now.

And that’s probably where the comparisons end.

 

[Nineteen67]

The said the same things on Tuesday’s move in day that sounded eerily familiar to previous years.
Doesn’t appear like much has changed.

Rielly should be the only core player that ever speaks to the media

 

[thusk]

The intent is to have 3 scoring lines.

So playing to win, rather than playing not to lose.

Really, really depends on the supporting cast.

Matthews needs marner or he can't score enough.
Tavares has done well without stars on his line while with the Islanders.
Nylander will need support for the defensive part of the game, to free him up for offense, or he'll have to play more defensively and hope the Leafs have found some other assets who can score goals .

Yeah, I agree outside of Matthews, Nylander, marner and Tavares there hasn't been much to worry about while facing the Leafs.

1-Matthews scored 30 goal at 5v5 in his rookie season playing alongside a rookie Zach Hyman and a rookie Connor Brown... And even if matthews line by exemple scoring like 5 fewer goal but get a more productive 3rd line. Did he producing at higher rate in general with Marner? yes but that not mean he can't produce at high rate without him and when leafs gonna need lead, they will be able to bring bacj matthews and marner together. Line are not static in a hockey game.


- With Knies, robertson growing up, cowan/Minten pretty close to step in, Pacioretty, grebenkin,Mcmann amount player who was not real option at this moment last year vs Bertuzzi who the only one leafs lost offensively...its the same in D, i don't remembered the last time leafs had as much depht on every position to start the season. They took a risk in net but if its working...

 

[thusk]

Bigger, stronger, faster, as good a playmaker, better at carrying the puck and zone entries, and a much better shot.

better at carrying... mmm probably why its always marner doing it on pp, because nylander is better in that part...logic

and no hes not as good as playmaker, Marner is certainly one of top 5 playmaker in NH... If you can't accept it, you just showing your lack of objectivity. Nobody had more assist and primary assist than Marner last 4 years in the NHL and no playing with matthews doesn't explain everything

Nylander hes faster and thats why he should not play at C. His majority of his scoring chance at 5v5 are when he able to use his speed and against D to create themself space, get breakaway, 2v1 or whatever. Its will be much harder to doing it as Center.

 

[Gary Nylund]

The beginning of a new season is the time for optimism. It’s pretty sweet to know we are basically a lock playoff team, Leafs fans of all people should appreciate that at least. We have a shot, every year brings new opportunity. Players from, learn from mistakes, these are exceptional people. I criticize with the best of them, but some are just miserable in their lives and project it here, it’s so transparent.

Go Leafs go, maybe we do something this year.

You seem a tad miserable yourself. there chief. Don't let what other people think get to you is my advice. There are millions of fans, millions of opinions, that's just life.

As far as these players being "exceptional people", they're just hockey players dude and no matter how much we may enjoy watching hockey, there's nothing all that exceptional about that. People have a tendency to worship entertainers in the public eye be they singers, actors, pro athletes or whatever else but IMHO, there are literally millions of people that are far more deserving of being though of as exceptional. Take Doctors Without Borders for example, now that's an organization that deserves to called exceptional as do probably all the people involved with it. That's just one example, there are many, many others.

I love hockey and I love the Leafs, but it's just a game.

1-Matthews scored 30 goal at 5v5 in his rookie season playing alongside a rookie Zach Hyman and a rookie Connor Brown... And even if matthews line by exemple scoring like 5 fewer goal but get a more productive 3rd line. Did he producing at higher rate in general with Marner? yes but that not mean he can't produce at high rate without him and when leafs gonna need lead, they will be able to bring bacj matthews and marner together. Line are not static in a hockey game.

- With Knies, robertson growing up, cowan/Minten pretty close to step in, Pacioretty, grebenkin,Mcmann amount player who was not real option at this moment last year vs Bertuzzi who the only one leafs lost offensively...its the same in D, i don't remembered the last time leafs had as much depht on every position to start the season. They took a risk in net but if its working...

Agree 100% with all this. And as far as the risk in net goes, it's still a big question mark but I've been high on Woll for a while now (as have many others) and he was awesome in the playoffs. Small sample size of course but damn, I haven't been this excited about a goalie that we drafted since Felix the Cat!

 

[thusk]

I think you quoted the wrong one of my posts, but....

I agree - the only one of our players who produces close to regular season is Nylander.

lasr 3 years( would take too much time to get it for longer)

5v5 productio playoff vs season
Matthews 83% (drop of 17 %)
Marner 78% ( 22% drop)
Nylander 73% ( 27% drop)
Tavares 69% ( 31 % drop)

Pp
Matthews 81% ( 19% drop)
Marner 80% ( 20% drop
Nylander 71% ( 29% drop)
tavares 56% ( 44 % drop)