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Gabriel426 said:
Well. I would not pin goaltending as the reason they lost last playoffs nor depth scoring.
Campbell was as good if not at times better than Vas.
TB depths scored more but their depth were better than ours.

Our top guys played well but they needed to do more, a goal or two in Game 6 and 7 would probably be the difference between winning and losing the round.
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Well, if all we needed was to do a bit more (and that is obviously true), I wouldn't blame the top guys, they all played great. Campbell was as good at times sure, but Vasi was off for a while so that's not really saying much. Campbell's definitely one guy you could point to that didn't play that great. If he played better, then maybe we put them away before Vasi found his form.

Dreakmur said:
If he thinks continually talking about it is "managing the media", then he's doomed.
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LOL, indeed. Put this on the list of self evident truths, you'd think he'd know this by now.
 
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Gary Nylund said:
Well, if all we needed was to do a bit more (and that is obviously true), I wouldn't blame the top guys, they all played great. Campbell was as good at times sure, but Vasi was off for a while so that's not really saying much. Campbell's definitely one guy you could point to that didn't play that great. If he played better, then maybe we put them away before Vasi found his form.


LOL, indeed. Put this on the list of self evident truths, you'd think he'd know this by now.
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Did Vas played like crap or did the Leafs made him crap. Honestly, I really don’t recall Vas made any saves that made me go, wow, we got robbed.
I am not saying Campbell was amazing but he let in 2 goals in Game 7. With the offensive power we had, the guys needed to score more than a goal.
I think one of the main diff between TB and us were TB players were blocking shots left, right, front and center. Also TB players just know how to win while our Leafs were playing not to lose.
 
TSN Intermission talked about the organization being worried about pressures on Marner and how to insulate him from the noise and how this is one of the main reasons why Keefe would walk back his statements. Don't like that fragility angle.
 
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Stephen said:
TSN Intermission talked about the organization being worried about pressures on Marner and how to insulate him from the noise and how this is one of the main reasons why Keefe would walk back his statements. Don't like that fragility angle.
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He placed those pressures on himself when he bent the team over a barrel

He chose an extra 6-7 million on a huge money deal over a deeper roster and the unwavering support of this fanbase

And now this pathetic front office wants to shield him from the noise?
 
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It’s obvious to me that heads need to roll in this organization sooner than later but is now really the time? Plus who is even available for a replacement? I think it’s a core issue more than a coaching issue. Management refuses to make any moves to shake it up but we’ve seen this core fail over and over again like clockwork, folding when it gets tough. This is a very poorly built team with no grit, no leadership and no heart. They’re a glass cannon

I would ride the season and playoffs out, keeping an eye out for trades and other possible coaches if I were Dubas. I would also make it clear to Sheldon though that he needs to control the room and stop worshipping his stars.

Mitch, if you’re a grown man then act like one and toughen up. It’s pretty clear to most now that he is soft and fragile. He gets paid 11 million and disappears when it matters.
 
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When you are defending yourself with "I'm a big boy now!" it is most definitely time to get shopped around.
 
Gabriel426 said:
Did Vas played like crap or did the Leafs made him crap. Honestly, I really don’t recall Vas made any saves that made me go, wow, we got robbed.
I am not saying Campbell was amazing but he let in 2 goals in Game 7. With the offensive power we had, the guys needed to score more than a goal.
I think one of the main diff between TB and us were TB players were blocking shots left, right, front and center. Also TB players just know how to win while our Leafs were playing not to lose.
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I don't recall the specifics that well, just my general impression was that Vasi started slow but found his form as the series went on. Jack had a SV% of .897 for the series, had he played a bit better that might have made the difference. Not blaming him for the loss, you could say the same for the entire team I guess, just pointing to him as one place where we could have been better. But you're right, hard to blame the goalie when you can't score more than one goal and TB knowing how to win while we're playing not to lose, yeah there could be something to that as well.
 
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Burkeocet said:
It’s obvious to me that heads need to roll in this organization sooner than later but is now really the time? Plus who is even available for a replacement? I think it’s a core issue more than a coaching issue. Management refuses to make any moves to shake it up but we’ve seen this core fail over and over again like clockwork, folding when it gets tough. This is a very poorly built team with no grit, no leadership and no heart. They’re a glass cannon

I would ride the season and playoffs out, keeping an eye out for trades and other possible coaches if I were Dubas. I would also make it clear to Sheldon though that he needs to control the room and stop worshipping his stars.

Mitch, if you’re a grown man then act like one and toughen up. It’s pretty clear to most now that he is soft and fragile. He gets paid 11 million and disappears when it matters.
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A year ago I would have agreed with all of this. However ...

This team did not fold last season. Losing always sucks but they lost to a better team in the playoffs and there's no shame in losing the way they did (playing hard until the end). They folded in game 7 the previous 4 seasons, but not last season so that's something, maybe even a sign that this team is growing up (cue the grown men comments). :)

Marner earned his keep last season. Not only did he have a great regular season but he also played his ass off in the playoffs. I have no problem trading anyone but players like that hardly ever get traded so good luck with that.

As far as Keefe goes, the stars run most teams now but I also would be happier if Keefe stood his ground more so I feel your pain.

I get it, the playoff losses have piled up and it's easy to think this team can't win and all the players suck and the coach sucks and the GM sucks and the president sucks. Objectively though, I see a team that had a very good season and is poised to have another one. I also see that all our competitors seem to be weaker this season so ... don't be too shocked if and when this team wins the East and goes to the finals.
 
Hellcat said:
When do we play Pitts next? :)
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Shooter2x said:
Keefe is so weird. The players didn't care he said it, yet he makes it so awkward after forcing them to have to say stuff like "we can handle it". Same thing happened last year when he had to spin back on calling them soft. None of them cared, even Rielly was like he thought they were too soft in that game too, without even knowing Keefe said anything in the first place.

*unless i am reading this situation wrong and keefe was forced to spin back
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To me this all sounds much more like he was walking back the part about “the difference is that we have elite players…..” talking shit about the coyotes players.

I don’t think this has anything to do with calling out our elite players, I think that’s what he probably explained.

Sort of like “I know they also have good players, what I meant was that our good players didn’t outplay their good players”. Or something like that
 
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