Salary Cap: Marner Contract Discussion XX - The Dog Days of August V3

[18leafsfan18]

Better at what? Toews was/is a superb 2 way player . He was an all star as earlt as his elc. Patrick Sharp was also an all star. To say that Kane got no help really reveals a lack of knowledge. Give it up

Didn't say Kane had no help either.

Again,

Tavares is a better player last year then Toews was in his ELC. Exactly what I stated.

Clearly better at getting points (Goals and Assists). Both those stats help the players playing with him rack up points as well.

Stop trying to put words in my mouth then dispute them.

If you want to just have a conversation with yourself just go do that somewhere else.

 

[Notsince67]

Didn't say Kane had no help either.

Again,

Tavares is a better player last year then Toews was in his ELC. Exactly what I stated.

Clearly better at getting points (Goals and Assists). Both those stats help the players playing with him rack up points as well.

Stop trying to put words in my mouth then dispute them.

If you want to just have a conversation with yourself just go do that somewhere else.

You need to stop the lying.
You asked Did Kane have the advantage of playing with a sure fire #1 C in the league during his ELC ? The answer is definitively yes and any insinuation that he didnt is bs.

 

[Mr Hockey]

Well, but did JT/Marner/Hyman stopped Bergeron and Marchand from scoring?

Not saying you are wrong but you can’t just say Matthews line is not playing opposing team best line and thus he is set up to win the series. If anything, I remembered Rask and Coyle being the best two players in Game 6 and 7 while Andersen and Jake were pretty much the opposite of that.

I agree with you, and I am not a fan of Andersen's playoff history as a Leaf ...

Going into a series and having the Matthews line matched up against a 2nd line/pairing is exactly what Babcock wanted or hope for, its up to the player to elevate his game

 

[IPS]

I'll honestly be happy if Marner ends up 80% as good as Kane.

 

[18leafsfan18]

You need to stop the lying.
You asked Did Kane have the advantage of playing with a sure fire #1 C in the league during his ELC ? The answer is definitively yes and any insinuation that he didnt is bs.

No lying whatsoever. Just you changing the conversation once something is proven wrong.

I don't think Towes was a sure fire #1 C in his ELC.

Doesn't mean in any way that Kane didn't have help. Is this the lie you are referring to ?

Then the conversation moved onto Tavares from last year vs Toews in his ELC. Tavares is absolutely better in that conversation.
Edit: By the way this is where your jumped into the discussion

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Guys really take a breath. Toews is by far the better all round centre then Tavares. Yes Toews is slowing down in last couple years but in their primes there is no competition between the 2. Toews was ranked in top 50 all time and Tavares is not even breathing on the top 100. Toews was the #2 for Team Canada when Tavares was in his prime and was moved to the wing.

 

[18leafsfan18]

Guys really take a breath. Toews is by far the better all round centre then Tavares. Yes Toews is slowing down in last couple years but in their primes there is no competition between the 2. Toews was ranked in top 50 all time and Tavares is not even breathing on the top 100. Toews was the #2 for Team Canada when Tavares was in his prime and was moved to the wing.

Again, Why can noone stay on a topic.

The conversation started and eventually got to Toews in his ELC to Tavares last year. Tavares takes that hands down, no way to argue it.

Noone can seem to follow a conversation here.

Toews was not a top 10 C in his ELC. Definitly was after that, but not in his ELC (This can be argued I'm sure, with plenty of points on both sides). But again was not the conversation.

 

[Notsince67]

No lying whatsoever. Just you changing the conversation once something is proven wrong.

I don't think Towes was a sure fire #1 C in his ELC.

Doesn't mean in any way that Kane didn't have help. Is this the lie you are referring to ?

Then the conversation moved onto Tavares from last year vs Toews in his ELC. Tavares is absolutely better in that conversation.
Edit: By the way this is where your jumped into the discussion

Such a second tier center even though he was an all star. Alrighty!

 

[18leafsfan18]

Such a second tier center even though he was an all star. Alrighty!

Again, you are changing the narrative.

Simple question (That was simple from the start): Toews ELC vs Tavares Last Season, who is better ?

 

[MyBudJT]

Game 3: 1 goal
Game 4: 2 goals
Game 5: 1 goal
Game 6: 1 goal

Marner:
Game 1: 2 goals
Game 2: 0 goals 0 pt
Game 3: 0 goals
Game 4: 0 goals
Game 5: 0 goals 0 pt
Game 6: 0 goals 0 pt
Game 7: 0 goals 0 pt

Where was Marner for Games 5,6,7??

Lol and the cherry picking of Marner’s stats to try and make him look worse...

You need to stop the lying.
You asked Did Kane have the advantage of playing with a sure fire #1 C in the league during his ELC ? The answer is definitively yes and any insinuation that he didnt is bs.

His dishonesty is not worth the time, man.

I'll honestly be happy if Marner ends up 80% as good as Kane.

He already is! should become better than Kane at his peak, too!

 

[IPS]

He already is! should become better than Kane at his peak, too!

I'll eat my underwear if Marner can accomplish anything near what Kane has accomplished in the last 4 years.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Again, Why can noone stay on a topic.

The conversation started and eventually got to Toews in his ELC to Tavares last year. Tavares takes that hands down, no way to argue it.

Noone can seem to follow a conversation here.

Toews was not a top 10 C in his ELC. Definitly was after that, but not in his ELC (This can be argued I'm sure, with plenty of points on both sides). But again was not the conversation.

Sorry missed that one on ELC. I was talking Toews vs Tavares each in his prime.

 

[Notsince67]

Again, you are changing the narrative.

Simple question (That was simple from the start): Toews ELC vs Tavares Last Season, who is better ?

This is a red herring. You made the strong assertion that Kane had no help. You did this to support your opinion that Marner is not as good as Kane was. Now you twist the conversation. I will leave it at that.

 

[egd27]

lines possession stats 5vs5 ...
game 6

• 51.33 CF% ~ Hyman/Tavares/Mitch << 1st line and 1st pairing QoC
• 42.72 Cf% ~ Johnsson/Matthews/kappy

game 7

• 59.33 CF% ~ Hyman/Tavares/Mitch << 1st line and 1st pairing QoC
• 38.10 Cf% ~ Johnsson/Matthews/kappy

again, Matthews was set up to win the series by Babcock ...

But, but, but...........if Babcock had only given him 4 more mins of ice time that number would have doubled.

 

[ZEBROA]

Lets argue whos best Marner vs ??? after careers are done. He might quit hockey and join a circus, a real one , instead of this one right now.

 

[18leafsfan18]

This is a red herring. You made the strong assertion that Kane had no help. You did this to support your opinion that Marner is not as good as Kane was. Now you twist the conversation. I will leave it at that.

You are delusional.

Did not say Kane had no help.

The entire conversation was that Tavares was more help last year then Toews was for Kane in his ELC.

You are literally the king of twisting a story beyond any stretch of the original point. Politician maybe ?

 

[Mr Hockey]

But, but, but...........if Babcock had only given him 4 more mins of ice time that number would have doubled.

I think they have me on a permanent not allowed to "like" thing lol

 

[81Leafs50]

lines possession stats 5vs5 ...
game 6

• 51.33 CF% ~ Hyman/Tavares/Mitch << 1st line and 1st pairing QoC
• 42.72 Cf% ~ Johnsson/Matthews/kappy

game 7

• 59.33 CF% ~ Hyman/Tavares/Mitch << 1st line and 1st pairing QoC
• 38.10 Cf% ~ Johnsson/Matthews/kappy

again, Matthews was set up to win the series by Babcock ...

put up all the numbers you want. The ones below are all that matter!

Marner:
Game 1: 2 goals
Game 2: 0 goals 0 pt
Game 3: 0 goals
Game 4: 0 goals
Game 5: 0 goals 0 pt
Game 6: 0 goals 0 pt
Game 7: 0 goals 0 pt

 

[81Leafs50]

Lol and the cherry picking of Marner’s stats to try and make him look worse...



His dishonesty is not worth the time, man.



He already is! should become better than Kane at his peak, too!

Game 3: 1 goal
Game 4: 2 goals
Game 5: 1 goal
Game 6: 1 goal

Marner:
Game 1: 2 goals
Game 2: 0 goals 0 pt
Game 3: 0 goals
Game 4: 0 goals
Game 5: 0 goals 0 pt
Game 6: 0 goals 0 pt
Game 7: 0 goals 0 pt

PURE FACTS. NOT A SINGLE NUMBER POSTED HERE HAS BEEN ALTERED.

I am literally posting the stats for two players for the same 7 game series.

STATS ARE FACTS! your opinion is not.

 

[81Leafs50]

He already is! should become better than Kane at his peak, too!

the Mitch Marner cool-aide is free today.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Marner is as good as Kane, yea, right. Let's see him accomplish even 1/4" of what Kane as accomplished in the playoffs first.

 

[LeafSteel]

Indeed the dog days of the hockey drought are upon us.

As much as I hate to summer at it's end, I can live without the postings that come when we are going into our 3rd month without any Maple Leafs hockey, and the whole time it's been under the Marner cloud.

At least last summer we got to have the excitement of the Tavares signing keeping things relatively positive (as positive as it can ever get in here, anyways). This year, no such thing. Marner's status has overshadowed everything, including Kadri's trade.

Hopefully with the rookies starting their tournament later next week we have something fresh and new to complain about...........

 

[Mr Hockey]

put up all the numbers you want. The ones below are all that matter!

Marner:
Game 1: 2 goals
Game 2: 0 goals 0 pt
Game 3: 0 goals
Game 4: 0 goals
Game 5: 0 goals 0 pt
Game 6: 0 goals 0 pt
Game 7: 0 goals 0 pt

try and expand your thinking ...

In my opinion, the strategy and the game plan for the series were for Tavares/Marner to battle the Bergeron line with Chara/McAvoy to at least a even/draw and freeing up the Matthews/Kadri lines to play against weaker QoC for the win ... also when your up 3-2 in a series the players have to finish it and not the coach or Marner

 

[MyBudJT]

Game 3: 1 goal
Game 4: 2 goals
Game 5: 1 goal
Game 6: 1 goal

Marner:
Game 1: 2 goals
Game 2: 0 goals 0 pt
Game 3: 0 goals
Game 4: 0 goals
Game 5: 0 goals 0 pt
Game 6: 0 goals 0 pt
Game 7: 0 goals 0 pt

PURE FACTS. NOT A SINGLE NUMBER POSTED HERE HAS BEEN ALTERED.

I am literally posting the stats for two players for the same 7 game series.

STATS ARE FACTS! your opinion is not.

You clearly don’t understand what cherry picking entails.

It entails selecting some numbers / stats while purposefully leaving out others.

You tried to make Marner’s numbers look worse by posting points only when he had not be. Although a silly practice, you didn’t even do the same thing with Matthews.

If you can’t be honest with extremely simple numbers, how can we value anything you post?

 

[Mr Hockey]

has this been posted? lol