Salary Cap: Marner contract discussion XIV

[JayfromNB1219]

Would you trade Marner for any of Aho, Point, Rantanen, Barzal, Werenski, Pettersson?

Do you think Marner deserves more than those guys? Barzal might be the outlier ... his production dropped a great deal when the Tavares and all out offensive approach impact was removed.

Point, Aho and Rantanen...I think pettersson is going to come back down to earth this year and I wouldn't waste my time on Barzal or Werenski in a trade 1 for 1 w/ Marner

 

[Notsince67]

I fail to see how starting with the puck isn't important.

Statistically proven to have little impact on a game. There is a plethora of literature available if you google it.

 

[shakes]

Why did goal totals count in comparison when you just wrote of Matthews and Aho, but aren't a consideration for Marner and his comparables?

But regardless, ENOUGH of this.

I don't care what needs to change.

I don't care if it's the players, the gm, the coach. I don't care anymore.

The leafs can NO LONGER pay FAR more money than other teams do for similar production. I don't CARE about 5v5 short handed goals/60 and other such nonsense. The leafs need to STOP paying a premium on REAL points. To STOP paying 70 point players as though they score 120.

Again, if that change is on the coach, then so be it. But ENOUGH of paying WAY more money for similar real point production.

Which is exactly what the Leafs are doing right now. Marner is being unreasonable and the Leafs aren't giving in.

 

[Sypher04]

Statistically proven to have little impact on a game. There is a plethora of literature available if you google it.

I'll have to read that because it's sounds most likely very poorly supported.
If you start your shift with the puck, in theory you do not have to chase the play or defend. It's common sense to suggest, for that reason, faceoffs indeed matter a lot.

 

[Notsince67]

So Paul Marner was spoken to by Uncle Lou for opening a website to sell his sons merch!!!!

Paul Marner always thought his son was better then McDavid!!!!

Now Paul Marner wants McDavid money for his son!!!!!

Sorry guys and gals if you don't see the writing on the wall, I will explain it to you. Marner will become a cancer in the Leafs organization if they don't rid themselves of him now. Him and his dad were already warned once by Uncle Lou that he isn't bigger then the team, and if he thought so he wouldn't be part of it. It is continuing now and it will forever be this way as long as Marner is a Leaf.

Get rid of him now that his value is high. Leafs don't need him.

I thought we were waiting for 4 firsts and then we can sign Panarin to ease the pain. Now it is to remove a 94 point cancer.

 

[Sypher04]

I really wish people would stop believing everything they read.

 

[Notsince67]

I'll have to read that because it's sounds most likely very poorly supported.
If you start your shift with the puck, in theory you do not have to chase the play or defend. It's common sense to suggest, for that reason, faceoffs indeed matter a lot.

They do on the PP and the PK. Not saying that they dont help but there is far less advantage than people use to give credit to.

 

[nobody]

Still waiting on that offersheet...

 

[Martin Skoula]

Statistically proven to have little impact on a game. There is a plethora of literature available if you google it.

Maybe off a whistle. On the fly D zone starts with an LD from a different pairing will definitely ruin your numbers, Zaitsev either led the league or was close to it in those. He was the first guy to be sent over when Dermott-Ozhiganov lost possession against a bad matchup. He'd then get off immediately after they won possession or got a faceoff.

 

[Sypher04]

They do on the PP and the PK. Not saying that they dont help but there is far less advantage than people use to give credit to.

I would suggest, in fairness without reading anything yet, that they are probably basing this on the statistical trends of how the team's faceoff percentage compared to their success of their season?
If I'm right, that's a really poor way to look at it, at least to then take it to the point of casting them irrelevant at even strength.

The lack of a correlation between faceoff % and team success overall doesn't diminish the value of winning a faceoff for the individual shift.

Again, assuming that is the argument.. I don't know yet.

 

[IPS]

Still waiting on that offersheet...

Paul and Dreger have completely exhausted the offer-sheet threat.

There's nothing coming, just like we expected all along. Their posturing failed. Now Marner has no choice but to sign or miss an entire year of wages.

 

[Notsince67]

I would suggest, in fairness without reading anything yet, that they are probably basing this on the statistical trends of how the team's faceoff percentage compared to their success of their season?
If I'm right, that's a really poor way to look at it, at least to then take it to the point of casting them irrelevant at even strength.

The lack of a correlation between faceoff % and team success overall doesn't diminish the value of winning a faceoff for the shift.

Again, assuming that is the argument.. I don't know yet.

I would be interested in a counter argument. I havent really seen any but it doesnt mean it doesnt exist.

 

[Sypher04]

Yup, no offersheet is gonna happen. Surprise, surprise.
The fact that some people here have actually been championing for an offersheet to actually come is mindboggling to me.
I'm looking forward to the day they announce the signing.
Mitch is going nowhere.

No doubt in my mind that we could win a cup with Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Willy, Rielly, Barrie, and Andersen as our core.
Now it's just a matter of will we.

 

[WTFMAN99]

You guys hear that sound? It is the sound of hot air leaving the balloon.

Fairly certain that whole "offer sheet imminent" is likely from the agent side to put pressure on Dubas.

1. They can now move on and actually negotiate a deal
2. The stalemate continues...
3. The Europe threat that Ferris is famous for comes up
4. Trade

 

[al secord]

Still waiting on that offersheet...

I ain't offerin' you sheet.

 

[Marshy]

Why doesn't he just do what all of the other gm's do and sign his players to fair market value?

You mean before Marner right? I think he is trying to sign Marner to fair market value. Marner and Paul and Darren want more than fair market value.

 

[Macallan18]

I’m guessing it was under 11 million and or 7 yrs. NYI or NJ.

Based solely on Too many people seeing too much smoke last week

prolly both well under 11 mil and a full 7 years. Seriously, if you were giving up 4 firsts, wouldn't you want max term.
F@@@ NY!!!!!

 

[IPS]

I mean it's pretty clear cut at this point.

Marner signs before the start of the season or he misses a year of wages (I mean he can go overseas and play for a fraction of the money he'd make here).

For once we actually have a simple way of things going down.

Now Paul, how about we just put all this nonsense behind us and sign the contract, eh? We don't ever need to bring up you making a jackass out of everyone ever again.

 

[rielledup]

How would you feel about a Marner for Teravainen and Pesce trade? It's not perfect because Marner and TT play different wings, but you would still have a very good top 6 with Nylander and Kapanen on the right side and TT and Johnsson on the left, while adding more balance by acquiring a good dman. Marner is a level above TT and Carolina might be excited enough about the thought of Marner and Aho playing together to make that trade.

 

[Macallan18]

Looks like all the BS from last week has flushed away. Now Mitch won't sign a 7 year 12.5M OS. It has to be 5 years. This Ferris guy is a joke. Well I talked to Paul at a BBQ pool party yesterday for quite some time over coronas as we normally do. He was very quiet and did not really have much to say about anything which i expected. He is abiding by the code of silence requested by Shanny. Bonnie was her ever LOL best. Loads of fun on a beautiful day. thanks ralfie.

Seriously, you must have shown a lot of restraint.
I would have looked at Paul and laughed and laughed and laughed.

 

[Peasy]

You guys hear that sound? It is the sound of hot air leaving the balloon.

Fairly certain that whole "offer sheet imminent" is likely from the agent side to put pressure on Dubas.

1. They can now move on and actually negotiate a deal
2. The stalemate continues...
3. The Europe threat that Ferris is famous for comes up
4. Trade

The Europe threat would even be more pointless with someone like Marner. Lower profile RFAs like AA and Anderson make some sense and they can still make decent coin overseas. But will a team in the KHL really pay Marner 10m? I doubt it. Also add onto the fact that I doubt Marner would want to spend a year playing in the KHL...

 

[socko]

Still waiting on that offersheet...

Offer sheet against Dubas the Overpayer???

 

[WTFMAN99]

The Europe threat would even be more pointless with someone like Marner. Lower profile RFAs like AA and Anderson make some sense and they can still make decent coin overseas. But will a team in the KHL really pay Marner 10m? I doubt it. Also add onto the fact that I doubt Marner would want to spend a year playing in the KHL...

Believe he tried that with...Gaudreau? Maybe not. I do remember it was a North American kid though that pretty much was under the same scenario, would easily make more money in the NHL.

 

[nuck]

The Europe threat would even be more pointless with someone like Marner. Lower profile RFAs like AA and Anderson make some sense and they can still make decent coin overseas. But will a team in the KHL really pay Marner 10m? I doubt it. Also add onto the fact that I doubt Marner would want to spend a year playing in the KHL...

The best payed player in the K is under $6M and they don't have 10 guys making $2M. He would take a financial asspounding going there and the Leafs still own his rights when he comes back. I don't see the threat even being made. Mitch's hammer is just to sit and wait for Dubas to crack.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

How would you feel about a Marner for Teravainen and Pesce trade? It's not perfect because Marner and TT play different wings, but you would still have a very good top 6 with Nylander and Kapanen on the right side and TT and Johnsson on the left, while adding more balance by acquiring a good dman. Marner is a level above TT and Carolina might be excited enough about the thought of Marner and Aho playing together to make that trade.

Leafs would need more value and would need to send Ceci the other way.

Otherwise, I'd consider it.