Don't want Laine.
No chance in hell Sakic would trade Rantanen for a guy he's going to have to pay more.
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No chance in hell Sakic would trade Rantanen for a guy he's going to have to pay more.
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Grown Menzez
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Fully agree we have issues in Canada. Unless the Federal reserve goes off....US is in pretty good shape imho
Agreed, making knee jerk decisions is bad business but falling in love with players isn't good business either
There assets, behave accordingly
If Laine lived up to his potential it'd be f***in' wicked having the best ES goal scorer in the game (Matthews) and the best PP scorer in the game (potentially ofc) on the Leafs.
That's risky business though, but I'm of the strong opinion that Laine will bounce back
Have you seen the dude play hockey? I'm sorry but I'm not trading Marner for a one trick PP pony. Laine is beyond atrocious 5 on 5 and this guy skates like he's stuck in mud. He has no handles to top things off. No vision. No hockey sense. Winnipeg would be stupid to pay that guy more than 7-8 million. He might be a 50/60 goal guy in the future but I don't think I've seen a more one dimensional player.
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Don't get me wrong, I really like Mitch (all this nonsense aside). I think Eichel playing with Matthews would be magic. They proved that in the 3 0n 3 all stars games. Alas, to each their own teams.
If it was a guaranteed that Matthews would play with Eichel and that JT wouldn't have a drop off playing with Willy, I'm all game to get Eichel. But I don't see either of those things happening. Other stuff mentioned incorporated into the argument, having Mitch is basically a no-brainer. As tantalizing as it seems to have Auston and Eichel together.
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In theory it might work but in practice this gets complicated because if a player is making say 10% of the cap when they signed the contract that means they will keep making 10% of the cap whether the cap goes up or down; so teams will not be able to get "good deals" and load up on their roster.
For example: McDavid's cap hit looks pretty big now but if the cap were to keep increasing his cap hit would not look that bad 2 to 3 years from now and oilers can add to their team while McDavid is locked long term.
Same thing happened with Crosby and Malkin; the team struggled when they were taking sizable proporiton of the cap; but as cap kept increasing and crosby and malkin's cap hit remained the same; pens had the cap flexibility to add in talent like Kessel and got 2 cups out of it.
Would not be surprised if Hawks also get to do something similar with Kane and Toews.
Only difference is that recent signings of the core players McDavid, Kucherov, Stamkos, Eichel, etc... have been long term deals; Leafs on the other hand got screwed with Matthews deal with only 5 year term
suppose the cap increases significantly by the time matthews 4th year is around the corner; leafs can then add good depth to help the team on the 4th and 5th year of matthews for a deep run; after that it is back to drawing board.
If Matthews was locked in for 8 years; Leafs would have had a lot of flexibility and more chances at cup runs as matthews' cap hit would have been locked for 8 years so with the cap increases money could have been spent in addressing other areas in matthews' 4th or 5th year onwards to help improve the team dramatically.
oh welll......
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I looked at my grocery bill from last year (found a receipt) and compared it to what I paid my last grocery trip. brought pretty much the same stuff and ended paying 30 bucks more than I did last year for one grocery trip. My annual income hasn't increased at the same rate as my grocery bills (or gas prices lol; etc...); i.e. I am not paying for hockey stuff as much as I used to before.
I am sure that is the same for other Canadians as well. Unless I am an outlier
Federal Reserve is not an independent body; it is backed by several private banks unlike Bank of Canada; so am always a bit nervous about the Fed
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Two things I find absolutely ridiculous are the facts that 1. Matthews vs. Laine used to be a thing. (I understand blind homerism by the finnish fanboys but all of that seem beyond stupid at this point. It's not even a remote competition between the two.) 2. Winnipeg Jets are moving on from Nik Ehlers instead on Laine. Ehlers has the potential to be a speed demon who can be an elite play maker and has a nice shot to boot. I wish the Leafs would scoop in and get him out of Winnipeg but I feel like that is beyond a pipe dream.
Oh what I would do to have Ehlers - Matthews - Nylander as a top line. I think that would be the best top line in the NHL by a country mile. The amount of skill, speed and creativity on that unit would be off the charts good.
Two things I find absolutely ridiculous are the facts that 1. Matthews vs. Laine used to be a thing. (I understand blind homerism by the finnish fanboys but all of that seem beyond stupid at this point. It's not even a remote competition between the two.) 2. Winnipeg Jets are moving on from Nik Ehlers instead on Laine. Ehlers has the potential to be a speed demon who can be an elite play maker and has a nice shot to boot. I wish the Leafs would scoop in and get him out of Winnipeg but I feel like that is beyond a pipe dream.
Oh what I would do to have Ehlers - Matthews - Nylander as a top line. I think that would be the best top line in the NHL by a country mile. The amount of skill, speed and creativity on that unit would be off the charts good.
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Leafs should announce Matthew's getting the C and start leaking trade rumors to tsn on the same day for Marner.
Marner can either make 60 million playing for his hometown team for the next 6 years or he can have fun playing in irrelevancy in the sunbelt for 70 million.
Marner can either make 60 million playing for his hometown team for the next 6 years or he can have fun playing in irrelevancy in the sunbelt for 70 million.
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He is. And therefore he will get paid more. However, Joe Sakic and the Avalanche are cheap and will go with the slightly inferior player to save atleast a couple of mil on the total contract.
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Don't forget the Utilities. In the process of renewing House and Auto insurance, ouch. get ready for a shocker guys and gals!I looked at my grocery bill from last year (found a receipt) and compared it to what I paid my last grocery trip. brought pretty much the same stuff and ended paying 30 bucks more than I did last year for one grocery trip. My annual income hasn't increased at the same rate as my grocery bills (or gas prices lol; etc...); i.e. I am not paying for hockey stuff as much as I used to before.
I am sure that is the same for other Canadians as well. Unless I am an outlier
Federal Reserve is not an independent body; it is backed by several private banks unlike Bank of Canada; so am always a bit nervous about the Fed
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Pretty sure if Jones was offered for Nylander, Dubas will drive Willy to the airport and boot his ass out the car while moving.
Pretty sure if there is an offersheet on Marner for 4 1st rounders Dubas will take that and run.
He will the proceed to laugh at all the comments of everyone whine over what we said in the past being untrue.
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The one advantage of that 3 year deal, even at at absurd aav is that it allows the Leafs to get full value for him at a trade next offsesson if they want.
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In some ways, but rantanen got game too. It's useless to compare the too. Rantanen would not be the great ice hockey player marner is in toronto, never. Rantanen in toronto would be real good, but not like marner. Marna does pk, blocking that thang, pp killa, all time killa, leader too in some ways, rantanen got that twerk body, he strong and bigger like notorious, marner got that liked sympathy, rantanen could never have that in toronto. Everybody loves marna, he the city's own. We owe him now, but if he ain't singin......he could get more hatas. Don't it marne.r
Do the right thang like spike lee do.
A1LeafNation
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If Marner signs a 3 year deal he will be traded before the end of it.
Dubas don't want to deal with these idiots again in 3 years. Leafs have Nylander, Johnsson, Kapanen, Kerfoot, Hyman Bracco, Moore, Mikheyev Korshkov and a shit ton of other wingers who can fill out the top 9 over the next 3 years and won't cost as much.
Dubas don't want to deal with these idiots again in 3 years. Leafs have Nylander, Johnsson, Kapanen, Kerfoot, Hyman Bracco, Moore, Mikheyev Korshkov and a shit ton of other wingers who can fill out the top 9 over the next 3 years and won't cost as much.
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I find Team Marner is really misplaying the whole Mitch Marner vs Auston Matthews angle in this market. As much soft power and brand image Marner's built for himself the past few years with his high energy, fun loving persona, there's something very annoying about the way they have complained so much and it's all basically based on the fact that the Leafs seem to have historically prioritized Matthews over him.
So far, using Dreger and the agent as mouthpieces, Team Marner has complaining publicly about the captaincy conversation, complained about the lack of Schedule A bonuses negotiated under Lou, militant no home town discount policy, refusal to negotiate in season, insistence on negotiating last, complained about the negotiation process the day Auston Matthews re-signed, made the threat of an offer sheet, made the threat of an offer sheet tour on less, and finally, the threat of going to Switzerland to the ZSC Lions to "train."
I just have a hard time seeing this player and his entourage being very fun to deal with over the long term. I don't get the sense it's going to mellow out.
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There's also almost zero chance the Leafs are going to be able to fit a 15 mil Marner in 3 seasons under the cap - maybe 6-7 once the cap rises enough by then.
You see making trades is hard but necessary sometimes, in the real world unless your dealing with Edmonton nobody is doing something completely stupid like your rather pointless example
But sure let's just keep on keeping on with Marner doing what he wants with zero pushback , it's a real winner
Dubas won't match? Sure of that are we because at the draft Dubas said something about looking at the offer then making a decision, I'm not sure what "take that and run" looks like to you but to me it ain't that
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Dubas has been pretty respectful of Marner for the whole process publicly, but at some point, don't you just tell the Marner camp that "maybe we'll shop you around."
Brendan Shanahan said it himself. It's a privilege to be a Leaf. Marner acts like he's the heir to the empire.
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