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Sorry, wasn't ready to sign after 2 years on his elcNylander want “ready” to sign on his contract year?
Sorry, wasn't ready to sign after 2 years on his elcNylander want “ready” to sign on his contract year?
If some Leaf Nation fans would have have screamed and shouted at the idea of Dubas signing Marner to the Draisaitl deal last summer then what will those same fans say now that Marner is going to get >$10 mil and not 8 years but 2-3 years less?
What was was viewed as bad overpayment last summer is even worse now in terms of cap hit AAV and term.
Dubas isn't vindicated by NOT giving Marner the Draisaitl deal last summer if the contract he signs him for now is much higher and less term.
I guess I'm asking how is smart of Dubas not pay Marner $8-$9 mil X 8 years last summer, but wise he waited to give him $10-$11 mil now for 5-6 years?
Dubas lets Nylander sit and some would be up in arms because you have a big piece out when trying to compete for the Cup
Sparks - total non-factor
I don't know how people reach a conclusion that either party caved. We simply don't know. We have two pieces of information: 1) Nylander called Dubas, 2) The end result was a $7M6Y contract.Honestly, I don't mind Dubas holding firm. Just please don't cave at the end. I am a Leafs first guy, I don't care about Marner's salary. I want it to benefit the Leafs chances of winning, not his bank account.
I don't know how people reach a conclusion that either party caved. We simply don't know. We have two pieces of information: 1) Nylander called Dubas, 2) The end result was a $7M6Y contract.
For all we know, that might have been as far as Dubas was willing to go, and Nylander called to accept it before his season was over. Or it could have been what Nylander wanted and he called for a last pitch and Dubas went along. We don't know.
Making him whole gave the impression that Dubas caved, IMO.I don't know how people reach a conclusion that either party caved. We simply don't know. We have two pieces of information: 1) Nylander called Dubas, 2) The end result was a $7M6Y contract.
For all we know, that might have been as far as Dubas was willing to go, and Nylander called to accept it before his season was over. Or it could have been what Nylander wanted and he called for a last pitch and Dubas went along. We don't know.
If Dubas gave 9 million to Marner last year, what would he have to have given William? Their numbers were almost identical. Noway William would have settled for 6.9. And no we cant use last year numbers because we dont have crystal balls.9 million last year would have been an extreme overpay. Even though it seemed obvious he would tear it up last year with Tavares it would still be viewed as an extreme but lucky overpay.
It’s similar to Matthews: even if he performs up to his contract there will be many people who won’t be satisfied as they felt it was an extreme overpay to begin with (I’m not one of them).
Technically speaking for the betterment of the team Dubas could have traded Nylander. There were reports many teams were looking grab Nylander and Leafs said no
Why am I advocating this? Leafs GA as a team has been terrible and they need to improve that; leafs defense is still a mess and they could have used nylander to improve their D last season.
Rumours of Parayko, Dumba+, Pesce+ were there.
We could have still had our first round pick from the Muzzin trade; and may have had some cap space left after we traded Marleau so that we didn't have to give up another 1st rounder by retaining some money on his deal.
It all adds up in the end. Dubas clearly did not think of every scenario
Technically speaking for the betterment of the team Dubas could have traded Nylander. There were reports many teams were looking grab Nylander and Leafs said no
Why am I advocating this? Leafs GA as a team has been terrible and they need to improve that; leafs defense is still a mess and they could have used nylander to improve their D last season.
Rumours of Parayko, Dumba+, Pesce+ were there.
We could have still had our first round pick from the Muzzin trade; and may have had some cap space left after we traded Marleau so that we didn't have to give up another 1st rounder by retaining some money on his deal.
It all adds up in the end. Dubas clearly did not think of every scenario
Exactly.If Dubas gave 9 million to Marner last year, what would he have to have given William? Their numbers were almost identical. Noway William would have settled for 6.9. And no we cant use last year numbers because we dont have crystal balls.
The logic is 61+61 deserves $6 million, $6.96 million is a gross overpay, stupid Dubas. 61+69 deserves $9 million.....a steal, stupid Dubas.Also the suggestion that Marner deserved 9 mil a year after just his sophomore season was absolutely insane at the time, and remains absolutely insane still today. Even after a proven 90 point season his best contract comparisons have him only making a few hundred thousand over 9 mil today for crying out loud lol
Edit: not to mention basic logic suggests neither Marner nor Matthew's had much incentive to sign contracts last offsesson. And, as this summer has proven, you cant force an rfa to sign if they don't want to
That and Nylander's poor performance after he returned.Making him whole gave the impression that Dubas caved, IMO.
What makes you think these rumors have even a shred of credibility?
8.5 would have been fine and Nylander would still have come in around where he did.
I don't believe the bolded to be true at all. Not even close, IMO
If Dubas gave 9 million to Marner last year, what would he have to have given William? Their numbers were almost identical. Noway William would have settled for 6.9. And no we cant use last year numbers because we dont have crystal balls.
What makes you think they don't?
Agreed. It likely wouldn't have affected the Matthews deal since they seem to have given him whatever he wanted but I believe they saved at least a million on Nylander's deal and maybe more by signing him first. Giving Marner $8.5-9M would have automatically triggered Nylander's camp holding out for the same.
Nylander didn't have the numbers to demand the same. Just pure fantasy.
But the Matthews contract seems to be causing massive problems in the Marner negotiation.Agreed. It likely wouldn't have affected the Matthews deal since they seem to have given him whatever he wanted but I believe they saved at least a million on Nylander's deal and maybe more by signing him first. Giving Marner $8.5-9M would have automatically triggered Nylander's camp holding out for the same.
Also the suggestion that Marner deserved 9 mil a year after just his sophomore season was absolutely insane at the time, and remains absolutely insane still today. Even after a proven 90 point season his best contract comparisons have him only making a few hundred thousand over 9 mil today for crying out loud lol
Nylander got 61 points playing with Matthews. Marner got 69 points, a year younger, playing with MUCH lesser players than matthews.So Marner's massive 69 points were so Earth shatteringly better than Nylander's 61? Come on.
If Dubas signed everyone last year
Nylander 8m/8
Marner 8.5m/8
Matthews 12m/8
28.5m/max term
Now
Nylander 7m/6
Marner 10m/3-5
Matthews 11.6m/5
28.6m/much less term
Dubas messed up.
You don't give a guy $72 million over 8 years after a 20 goal, 69 point season (career high at that time).If some Leaf Nation fans would have have screamed and shouted at the idea of Dubas signing Marner to the Draisaitl deal last summer then what will those same fans say now that Marner is going to get >$10 mil and not 8 years but 2-3 years less?
What was was viewed as bad overpayment last summer is even worse now in terms of cap hit AAV and term.
Dubas isn't vindicated by NOT giving Marner the Draisaitl deal last summer if the contract he signs him for now is much higher and less term.
I guess I'm asking how is smart of Dubas not pay Marner $8-$9 mil X 8 years last summer, but wise he waited to give him $10-$11 mil now for 5-6 years?