Rumor: Marner blocked a trade to Carolina for Rantanen

??? Literally 100% of all teams have won without a player like that.

I can tell you exactly why
1.) Matthews did actually take a reasonable deal. Matthews was a 40 goal Calder winning all star who took 14% aav. No player had been near his goal scoring prowess since Nash/Koby etc stamkos took 12% in a no state tax market.

He his next contract came in at 15% aav when he had won 3 rockets a hart/pearson. And was a top 6 all time goal scorer by age.

He got his money. He signed early and told everyone how bad he wanted to stay

2.) Willy signed for a very fair rate. He was stubborn the first time, and massively outplayed his contract. He bet on himself but continued to talk to Toronto. I think we bought high, but he will be a top 3 leaf.

3.) marners agent went on radio and blasted the Matthews contract. His dad said he should be captain. He threatens an offer sheet. He threaten to go to Zurich.

He took 1.75 million more than rantanen. He thinks he is a hart/rocket winner

He refused to talk contract. He refused to talk trade. The team has no idea what he wants. They can’t plan.
We don’t know what he wants. It’s crazy
Auston "Me First" Matthews took a reasonable deal? My god the blind worship is so sad. Matthews makes within a few hundred $k of McDavid to not give a shit in the playoffs. He's in the discussion of top 5 maybe, possibly lower if you value the playoffs, not top 2. They guy doesn't come with in 5 feet of any other player on the ice when the chips are down. Matthews is the problem with this team. But Leafs fans love the excitement he brings in December. If that's what you like, I'm not here to tell you how to have fun.
 
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Matthews never held out and has signed early both time and backed it up with....

Hart Memorial Trophy, Calder Memorial Trophy, Maurice "Rocket" Richard Trophy, NHL All-Star team, Ted Lindsay Award

Nylander held out for a few thousands of dollars which they wouldn't give him and surpassed his contract.... always produces in the playoffs and doesn't whine like a bitch.


Marner has a bad attitude, never does wrong according to him....and never shows up when it matters.... if you want the max money... great, thats your right.... BUT YOU BETTER BACK IT UP WHEN THE TIME COMES...

he doesn't
So marner has 50 career playoff points and Nylander has 43 but it's Nylander who shows up in the playoffs and not Marner? We are measuring the height of little people here but Marner is far better in the regular season every single year and better in the playoffs. Maybe Marner has a right to complain when his fellow overpaid players aren't joining him in the playoff fight because they are allergic to contact.
 
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Matthews never held out and has signed early both time and backed it up with....

Hart Memorial Trophy, Calder Memorial Trophy, Maurice "Rocket" Richard Trophy, NHL All-Star team, Ted Lindsay Award

Nylander held out for a few thousands of dollars which they wouldn't give him and surpassed his contract.... always produces in the playoffs and doesn't whine like a bitch.


Marner has a bad attitude, never does wrong according to him....and never shows up when it matters.... if you want the max money... great, thats your right.... BUT YOU BETTER BACK IT UP WHEN THE TIME COMES...

he doesn't
Dubas tried to hold Nylander's 2nd contract down and Nylander stayed home until the last minute sitting on the couch, getting fat and eating potato chips until Shannahan swooped in and handed him his blank contract to fill out. Ever since then negotiations with the Leafs big contract stars has been easy, Shannahan hands them a blank contract to fill out and the boys get whatever they ask for.
 
If you bleed blue and white, you don’t refuse to negotiate a contract.

Bennett is a Ferris client and he is now
After Nylander got his bag last year he quit playing. But again, somehow Marner is still the problem lol. Maybe it's a good thing for the Leafs to keep dangling that carrot to keep Marner motivated.
 
So marner has 50 career playoff points and Nylander has 43 but it's Nylander who shows up in the playoffs and not Marner? We are measuring the height of little people here but Marner is far better in the regular season every single year and better in the playoffs. Maybe Marner has a right to complain when his fellow overpaid players aren't joining him in the playoff fight because they are allergic to contact.

This is why it’s useful to actually watch the games and not pretend that looking up stats on hockeydb makes you more of an authority than the fans.

Marner plays at a 98 point pace in games 1-4 in a series. He plays at a 39 point pace in games 5-7. It’s two different players, every year. Matthews has a smaller drop off. Nylander has a way smaller drop off, he’s been the most productive in those later games which is why he doesn’t get as criticized.

The idea that Marner is the one Leaf star not allergic to contact is actually one of the most hilarious things I’ve ever read and proof you have no idea what you’re talking about.



I would be stunned if any player has taken more puck over glass penalties in the playoffs. That is the mark of a scared player. This is the guy literally in tears on the bench in winnable game 7s while Nylander is trying to get the guys to man up.

4 goals in his last 34 playoff games. Less than the amount of delay of game penalties listed there lol. But yeah he’s great at getting secondary assists early in the series so clearly he’s the best Leaf during the postseason.
 
Of course they did, no team avoids doing their due dilligence with players like Mitch.

Marner is completely whithin his rights but he's acting like such a little bitch towards his "childhood's team" almost like a bitter ex who's rooting for them to fail.

Who here would bend over at gunpoint the team they cheer for multiple times and then just flee the scene of the crime making sure they can't recoup any assets before you leave for nothing at the first opportunity?
What did the Leafs offer him?
 
Not according to the insiders. The insiders are saying they offered numerous times and he has refused to negotiate.

Even IF they did, ok. Then this still refusing to negotiate because you are mad? Thats not “I love it here and want to sign” which is fine but not what you are arguing.

What if he wants 13.5 x3 and they are willing to do it? Would you refuse to talk? Makes zero sense.
The pay to play "insiders" are carrying the water for TMSE again? I'm shocked. It's funny how these "insders" always agree on who that one guy is to blame the failed Season on. Those guys move on and the team performs the same.
 
So marner has 50 career playoff points and Nylander has 43 but it's Nylander who shows up in the playoffs and not Marner? We are measuring the height of little people here but Marner is far better in the regular season every single year and better in the playoffs. Maybe Marner has a right to complain when his fellow overpaid players aren't joining him in the playoff fight because they are allergic to contact.
I guess you ignored my Marner stats in games 1 to 4 as 1.13 and his stats in games 5 to 7 is 0.31

He disappears
 
Auston "Me First" Matthews took a reasonable deal? My god the blind worship is so sad. Matthews makes within a few hundred $k of McDavid to not give a shit in the playoffs. He's in the discussion of top 5 maybe, possibly lower if you value the playoffs, not top 2. They guy doesn't come with in 5 feet of any other player on the ice when the chips are down. Matthews is the problem with this team. But Leafs fans love the excitement he brings in December. If that's what you like, I'm not here to tell you how to have fun.

Yes. Auston Matthews had the 2nd highest goals per game and 10th highest ppg of all ELCs in 30 years. He absolutely earned 14% of the cap. When you look back at 5 year ELC contracts, he compared favourably to all the aav outside of no state tax stamkos who took 12%. Better players like Crosby took more (17%) slightly better like Malkin took slightly more.

He took 15%aav for his third contract as the 7th best goal scorer of all time by 27 in a low scoring era as a selke nominated center. He has won 3 rockets and a hart and a Lindsay.
I get that people wanted more term but I didn’t really. I don’t think he will age well. I am surprised he only wanted 4 years. I think we will be glad to have the option to move on in 3 years.

What is the best goal scoring C since Lemieux worth?
 
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1.) orrrrr maybe it’s already more than 13.5? You don’t know because you refuse to negotiate. That’s dumb. I really want to stay. I want X money but I have no idea if it has been sitting on my desk for a year.

He is having the EXACT same year has he has for the last like 5. 30 goal 100 pt pace. He has been this for years. This is not a unique year for him


2.) no one is “pissed” if Marner chooses to leave the team. Players do it every year. Matthews could ask for a trade tomorrow.
The leafs may lowball him like stamkos or not offer NMC and SB like Petro. Better and more important players than Marner leave teams.

People are “pissed” because he is refusing to talk, refusing to let the team plan for replacements or sign others because they don’t know his plan.

People are pissed because he goes out of his way to try to make himself some community hero and an. Important part of the fabric of the team/community while his agent uses ridiculous tactics. He doesn’t just play and collect his cheque and go home. He tries to be the most important person on the team and play the home town kid angle all the time

He is a good hockey player who has endorsements with Beats by Dre/red bull/apple. Because he presents himself as hometown hero.

If he was a 30 goal 95pt winger in Columbus, you think he has endorsements with major brands? Willy is way more marketable by pure looks. Matthews is the American award winner. Marner is everywhere in Toronto.

If you go that route then go that route. If you want to treat it like a business then do your job and go home. Don’t write hostage love letters.

If you want to leave. Leave. If you want to stay negotiate a contract.

It’s really not complicated.
I think that Nylander contract complicated everything. Leafs paid Nylander like he is the 100 point player he was that one time in his contract year (not surprising). Now the Leafs say to Marner, this is what we pay 100 point players. Marner is sitting there thinking, no, that's what you pay 85 point players that Nylander is more typically. Marner feels he is that much better than typical Nylander because Marner is actually that 100 point player. Because of that they hit a stalemate. Just my theory , feel free to disagree but I feel it's more logical than some greedy temper tantrum some Leafs fans are making this out to be.
 
So he is within his rights but a bitch for using those rights. You are thinking like a fan who would do anything to play for that team. You are thinking with your heart and fandom, Mitch is thinking like a business man out for the best deal.
There's plenty of things that are whithin your rights to do, but makes you an asshole for doing it. I know why he's doing what he's doing, and i can even respect it, he's just really, really hard to root for.

I really do have a thing against star players who actively make sure the team they're leaving gets nothing in return. I hate the Leafs but the fans don't deserve that.
 
I think that Nylander contract complicated everything. Leafs paid Nylander like he is the 100 point player he was that one time in his contract year (not surprising). Now the Leafs say to Marner, this is what we pay 100 point players. Marner is sitting there thinking, no, that's what you pay 85 point players that Nylander is more typically. Marner feels he is that much better than typical Nylander because Marner is actually that 100 point player. Because of that they hit a stalemate. Just my theory , feel free to disagree but I feel it's more logical than some greedy temper tantrum some Leafs fans are making this out to be.

Willy took too long but he ended up on a fair deal at the time and he very much exceeded it in the end.

Many players in his area of stats got 8-9.25% aav
 
1. Yes he said he loves Toronto and The Leafs but business is business.
2. Yes things change and he might bail, especially now since they lied and then tried to trade him.
3. Just cause he won't negotiate now because you say he should doesn't mean he wants to leave.
4. Yes maybe his expected price went up a bit when Rantanen signed. I guess The Leafs will find out in April-late June when their season ends.
5. Maybe Leafs fans are blinded by the fan issue. You can't see the big picture that this is a business first and a sport second. You, like me, would do anything to help the team we love win. Maybe it takes an outsider to see that?? Crazy thought.

Also lastly, there was zero against the team. He always said he loved Toronto and wants to stay. Refused an offer sheet and simply said he wanted to wait to the off season and now the Leafs try to deal him for Rantanen. Not only do they do that but they leak it that he turned them down. Id be pretty pissed if I was him.

1.) agreed. Business is business. Sure. Then don’t make your brand about being the loveable hometown kid where it means so much to be here. Be a business man. You can love your job and business is business. But he wants everyone to adore him. Business is business when it is his turn, but he takes everything so personally. He argues with the media, his camp complains about everything.

2.) they never “lied and tried to trade him”
They can’t try to trade him. All reports are he has been offered numerous contracts and opportunities to open negotiations. They did NOT approach him about waiving in the summer. He has completely refused to negotiate or talk. So then they said. “Hey we want to sign you, but if you don’t want to sign, where do yoh want to go?”

Marner is not the only player who wants to win. Marner is not the only player on the leafs who negotiated a contract. Marner is the only person who has refused negotiate for an offseason, all the way through the year
To the point that the leafs have no idea that they have no idea what he wants, how they plan their offseason,

I don’t know why someone who has no idea about the situation is so sure what teams the fans and the market should feel. It’s kind of silly. You are just proving you don’t understand it.
 
Toronto is so cooked. Marner performs the best in the playoffs out of the spoiled trio. He takes the most flak and the fans just eat it up. Keefe giving Matthew's shit after he makes a typical Matthew's playoff mistake, then him turning to pass the buck to Marner, Marner getting frustrated, and Nylander telling him to man up after sitting out playoff games with headaches should've been a mask off moment. Team of piss babies.
 
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This is why it’s useful to actually watch the games and not pretend that looking up stats on hockeydb makes you more of an authority than the fans.

Marner plays at a 98 point pace in games 1-4 in a series. He plays at a 39 point pace in games 5-7. It’s two different players, every year. Matthews has a smaller drop off. Nylander has a way smaller drop off, he’s been the most productive in those later games which is why he doesn’t get as criticized.

The idea that Marner is the one Leaf star not allergic to contact is actually one of the most hilarious things I’ve ever read and proof you have no idea what you’re talking about.



I would be stunned if any player has taken more puck over glass penalties in the playoffs. That is the mark of a scared player. This is the guy literally in tears on the bench in winnable game 7s while Nylander is trying to get the guys to man up.

4 goals in his last 34 playoff games. Less than the amount of delay of game penalties listed there lol. But yeah he’s great at getting secondary assists early in the series so clearly he’s the best Leaf during the postseason.



Sure thing bud, you're the only one watching playoff games LMAO.


You are measuring little people. Great, Nylander scores slightly more in later games. Let's not pretend there is a large gap. It's small and can more likely be attributed to luck. All points count, whether is game one or game 6. You don't get game 6 unless someone shows up in the first 5 games. If you need to make the already small sample size of Leafs playoff games even smaller and less accurate to make your point you have already lost.

The Leafs big contracts are all pathetic in the playoffs. You don't need to make straw men. I never said Marner was some sort of playoff beast LMAO. I'm only comparing him to the very low bar of Nylander and Matthews who somehow escape the criticism Marner receives as the superior player. Keep it on the things I actually said not the things you made up.

You act like Marner's assists are an accident when he consistently puts them up. He controls the game for the Leafs more than any other player. Marner contributes more every game whether he puts up points or not than Nylander or Matthews. His job is to distribute the puck. If the supposed goal scorers on the team don't do the work to get into scoring positions there is only so much he can do.
 
Toronto is so cooked. Marner performs the best in the playoffs out of the spoiled trio. He takes the most flak and the fans just eat it up. Keefe giving Matthew's shit after he makes a typical Matthew's playoff mistake, then him turning to pass the buck to Marner, Marner getting frustrated, and Nylander telling him to man up after sitting out playoff games with headaches should've been a mask off moment. Team of piss babies.

Marner clearly performs the worst of the 3
 
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The leaf board has been told very sternly by some that playoffs dont play into contract figures.. or is that wrong

If marner gets paid notably more than rantanen its a crime
 
Yes. Auston Matthews had the 2nd highest goals per game and 10th highest ppg of all ELCs in 30 years. He absolutely earned 14% of the cap. When you look back at 5 year ELC contracts, he compared favourably to all the aav outside of no state tax stamkos who took 12%. Better players like Crosby took more (17%) slightly better like Malkin took slightly more.

He took 15%aav for his third contract as the 7th best goal scorer of all time by 27 in a low scoring era as a selke nominated center. He has won 3 rockets and a hart and a Lindsay.
I get that people wanted more term but I didn’t really. I don’t think he will age well. I am surprised he only wanted 4 years. I think we will be glad to have the option to move on in 3 years.

What is the best goal scoring C since Lemieux worth?
Count the dollars son. Learn why the the shorter contracts are hurting the Leafs. You can list his acomplishments all you want he's NOWHERE NEAR McDavid like his pay would indicate. Then let's talk about playoffs.....
 
The leaf board has been told very sternly by some that playoffs dont play into contract figures.. or is that wrong

If marner gets paid notably more than rantanen its a crime

Rantanen signed in a tax free market.
There is no logical world where he takes less in Toronto outright.
 
1.) agreed. Business is business. Sure. Then don’t make your brand about being the loveable hometown kid where it means so much to be here. Be a business man. You can love your job and business is business. But he wants everyone to adore him. Business is business when it is his turn, but he takes everything so personally. He argues with the media, his camp complains about everything.

2.) they never “lied and tried to trade him”
They can’t try to trade him. All reports are he has been offered numerous contracts and opportunities to open negotiations. They did NOT approach him about waiving in the summer. He has completely refused to negotiate or talk. So then they said. “Hey we want to sign you, but if you don’t want to sign, where do yoh want to go?”

Marner is not the only player who wants to win. Marner is not the only player on the leafs who negotiated a contract. Marner is the only person who has refused negotiate for an offseason, all the way through the year
To the point that the leafs have no idea that they have no idea what he wants, how they plan their offseason,

I don’t know why someone who has no idea about the situation is so sure what teams the fans and the market should feel. It’s kind of silly. You are just proving you don’t understand it.
1. Being both a businessman and the guy on the team kids can look up to. It is possible to be both.

2. They did lie to him. They said "hey we want to sign you but since you won't talk we made a deal with Carolina..ok with you??? " No wonder he told them to kick rocks.....

3. They should know what he wants. He wants to wait until the offseason. He has told everyone multiple times he loves Toronto and wants to stay. Im not sure why this doesn't sink in.

4. I have as much knowledge about the situation as you do. ZERO. I am just going on what Marner himself has said. I take the kid at his word that he loves Toronto and wants to stay. I don't see the need to make the kid out to be the villain in this mess.

5. I understand it just fine, and the likes I've got on my posts in this thread seem to show im not the only one who might have a different opinion
 
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Count the dollars son. Learn why the the shorter contracts are hurting the Leafs. You can list his acomplishments all you want he's NOWHERE NEAR McDavid like his pay would indicate. Then let's talk about playoffs.....

The flat cap and covid hurt the leafs. The cap would have been over 100 million this year if it was 50/50.

Matthews signed for 5 x 11.634 when the cap was anticipated to be 83.5-86.5 based on the escalator. Then the world stopped.

He in total signed for. 12.34 x9. In that time he already was a 3 time rocket winner. He earned his money.
 

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