Rumor: Marner blocked a trade to Carolina for Rantanen

[joepeps]

hmmm

None of what you said are his fault or problem. He is not in charge of what his dad says. An agents job is to advocate for his player no matter what.

Offer sheet? Did he not in fact refuse to sign a massive offer sheet from Columbus to stay in Toronto?

"??? Literally 100% of all teams have won without a player like that". I guess he isn't even worth league min then. If he is so worthless and no team can win with him...why all the crying and bitching him being a big baby and wanting him to sign for far less than he is worth?? seems you want it both ways.....


The team messed up and let him have all the power and now crying to the press like babies.....

Dood, its Marners right... its also the fans right to shit on him for his choices as he pretends to love Toronto.

Its the leafs choices if they want to resign him when he bombs in the playoffs again and 100% he will complain in the media about wanting to stay but the leafs dont want him....

and yes, its the Player that dictates his wishes to the agent... the agent doesn't just make up shit and go into business for himself or he would be fired.

 

[General Fanager]

Matthews never held out and has signed early both time and backed it up with....

Hart Memorial Trophy, Calder Memorial Trophy, Maurice "Rocket" Richard Trophy, NHL All-Star team, Ted Lindsay Award

Nylander held out for a few thousands of dollars which they wouldn't give him and surpassed his contract.... always produces in the playoffs and doesn't whine like a bitch.


Marner has a bad attitude, never does wrong according to him....and never shows up when it matters.... if you want the max money... great, thats your right.... BUT YOU BETTER BACK IT UP WHEN THE TIME COMES...

he doesn't

Take a wild guess which of the big 4 leads the team in playoffs PPG.

Dood, its Marners right... its also the fans right to shit on him for his choices as he pretends to love Toronto.

Its the leafs choices if they want to resign him when he bombs in the playoffs again and 100% he will complain in the media about wanting to stay but the leafs dont want him....

and yes, its the Player that dictates his wishes to the agent... the agent doesn't just make up shit and go into business for himself or he would be fired.

Sure its the fans right I suppose. I just don't remember the threads calling for Shany's head or anyone saying that maybe just maybe Dubas was right after all.....

The team was build wrong FROM THE START but hey lets blame the kid and bleeds blue and white. Just cause he wants to get paid doesn't mean he doesn't love the city and team. That's absurd.

 

[Legion34]

Take a wild guess which of the big 4 leads the team in playoffs PPG.


Sure its the fans right I suppose. I just don't remember the threads calling for Shany's head or anyone saying that maybe just maybe Dubas was right after all.....

The team was build wrong FROM THE START but hey lets blame the kid and bleeds blue and white. Just cause he wants to get paid doesn't mean he doesn't love the city and team. That's absurd.

If you bleed blue and white, you don’t refuse to negotiate a contract.

Bennett is a Ferris client and he is now

 

[joepeps]

Take a wild guess which of the big 4 leads the team in playoffs PPG.


Sure its the fans right I suppose. I just don't remember the threads calling for Shany's head or anyone saying that maybe just maybe Dubas was right after all.....

The team was build wrong FROM THE START but hey lets blame the kid and bleeds blue and white. Just cause he wants to get paid doesn't mean he doesn't love the city and team. That's absurd.

well Marner PPG in
games 1-4 is 1.13 (41 points)
games 5-7 is 0.41 (9 points)

Everyone is still calling for shannys head, not sure what your reading.

The team is built wrong and shouldn't sign Marner and JT

He already bled the team and fans and wants to do it again... doesn't look like he loves it... only loves it for the right price.

If he loved the team, last contract when he was offered 11x8 at the draft he would have accepted it instead of holding out.

and now, he refused to sign and he was, by accounts offered 12 or 12.5 x 8

doesn't seems like he loves it that much

 

[DavidBL]

Did Toronto try and sign him in the summer? If not this is entirely on the team, imo. Sounds like they weren't confident if they wanted to keep him then and now that they've decided they're going to complain about the player not being sure?

 

[wunderpanda]

That's not what I read. The team said their first choice was Marner to sign but since he won't negotiate until the off season they did not want to take that chance so they tried to see if Rantanen would sign. Also if the team really believed that Marner will walk and if they believed in Rantanen they would have gone with Carolinas plan B with the Leafs of Knies +.

Once again I am not disputing the facts I am disputing who is at fault. He won't sign and they can't trade him and none of that is his fault. The team gave him that clause and the 1 guy who said "hey maybe its time we re-examine the whole big 4 thing".....Shanny fired him before he could. Then Shanny let his full no move kick in. Then both Matthews and Nylander were given big time deals yet Marner is expected to take less and do the team a favour.....

The team messed this up and now are blaming him for it.....

thats fair and i can't dispute it

 

[Legend123]

How much you willing to pay lol

Max $$$

 

[centipede2233]

Marner may end up testing free agency. I could see many teams interested in services.

None of the cup aspirations variety though

 

[Coffee]

I can see Marner taking a big discount to play in Vancouver

 

[General Fanager]

If you bleed blue and white, you don’t refuse to negotiate a contract.

Bennett is a Ferris client and he is now

Just cause he wanted to be fully paid his value doesn't mean he doesn't care where it comes from. Don't forget he refused to sign a massive offer sheet from Columbus.

1 . He wants to be paid fairly
2. He loves Toronto
3. He loves The Leafs


All of those things can be true at the same time.

 

[Legion34]

Just cause he wanted to be fully paid his value doesn't mean he doesn't care where it comes from. Don't forget he refused to sign a massive offer sheet from Columbus.

1 . He wants to be paid fairly
2. He loves Toronto
3. He loves The Leafs


All of those things can be true at the same time.

What do you mean paid fairly?

We don’t even know what he wants. How do you know what the leafs want to pay him?

According to all the local insiders. CJ, mirtle etc. he has refused to negotiate for a year.

It’s not like they have exchanged numbers and he (rightly or wrongly) believes he isn’t getting fair value.

From all accounts he has completely refused to discuss it.

If you loved Toronto and wanted to stay, would you not I don’t know, negotiate a contract?

 

[MoneyManny]

Did Toronto try and sign him in the summer? If not this is entirely on the team, imo. Sounds like they weren't confident if they wanted to keep him then and now that they've decided they're going to complain about the player not being sure?

Of course they did, no team avoids doing their due dilligence with players like Mitch.

Marner is completely whithin his rights but he's acting like such a little bitch towards his "childhood's team" almost like a bitter ex who's rooting for them to fail.

Who here would bend over at gunpoint the team they cheer for multiple times and then just flee the scene of the crime making sure they can't recoup any assets before you leave for nothing at the first opportunity?

 

[General Fanager]

What do you mean paid fairly?

We don’t even know what he wants. How do you know what the leafs want to pay him?

According to all the local insiders. CJ, mirtle etc. he has refused to negotiate for a year.

It’s not like they have exchanged numbers and he (rightly or wrongly) believes he isn’t getting fair value.

From all accounts he has completely refused to discuss it.

If you loved Toronto and wanted to stay, would you not I don’t know, negotiate a contract?

Was it not The Leafs themselves last summer said lets wait and see?

Also maybe he is betting on himself having a strong season and playoff and then getting paid. Signing last summer after yet another disappointing end for the leafs would probably mean less $

As for paid fairly, I have no clue what he wants but if it was me, I believe he is a top player in the NHL and should be paid like it. Id want 3 x 13.5, wait for the cap to go up a bunch more and then sign a monster 2 summers from now.

 

[Legion34]

Did Toronto try and sign him in the summer? If not this is entirely on the team, imo. Sounds like they weren't confident if they wanted to keep him then and now that they've decided they're going to complain about the player not being sure?

According to the insiders here. Yes. They didn’t even approach him about a trade so as not to set him off.

Then they refused to negotiate and respond to offers. Then the team became exasperated and said. If you don’t want to sign let’s move you. He turned down that multiple times.

And now he is walking himself to UFA. If he does it he will be hated forever in his home town. He lived through JT. I’m surprised he took it this far.

But if he goes through with it, it’s his choice.

Toronto has 27.5 million to spend on

——- Matthews. Domi
———. ————— Nylander.
Mcmann. Laughton. Jankrok
————. Kampf. Reeves.

Knies/tavares is like 13 million. They will have plenty to get a winger or 2. They may even try a 1 year big money deal and keep their powder dry for a big ufa next year? Wink.

Could offer Benn a big 1 year deal.
Could go for ehlers.
If a team wants Marner, maybe a winger shakes free?

There will be options as the cap goes up. Teams like Toronto will always spend to it. So players will come. If Marner wants out. Ok.

 

[General Fanager]

Of course they did, no team avoids doing their due dilligence with players like Mitch.

Marner is completely whithin his rights but he's acting like such a little bitch towards his "childhood's team" almost like a bitter ex who's rooting for them to fail.

Who here would bend over at gunpoint the team they cheer for multiple times and then just flee the scene of the crime making sure they can't recoup any assets before you leave for nothing at the first opportunity?

So he is within his rights but a bitch for using those rights. You are thinking like a fan who would do anything to play for that team. You are thinking with your heart and fandom, Mitch is thinking like a business man out for the best deal.

 

[Legion34]

Was it not The Leafs themselves last summer said lets wait and see?

Also maybe he is betting on himself having a strong season and playoff and then getting paid. Signing last summer after yet another disappointing end for the leafs would probably mean less $

As for paid fairly, I have no clue what he wants but if it was me, I believe he is a top player in the NHL and should be paid like it. Id want 3 x 13.5, wait for the cap to go up a bunch more and then sign a monster 2 summers from now.

Not according to the insiders. The insiders are saying they offered numerous times and he has refused to negotiate.

Even IF they did, ok. Then this still refusing to negotiate because you are mad? Thats not “I love it here and want to sign” which is fine but not what you are arguing.

What if he wants 13.5 x3 and they are willing to do it? Would you refuse to talk? Makes zero sense.

 

[General Fanager]

Not according to the insiders. The insiders are saying they offered numerous times and he has refused to negotiate.

Even IF they did, ok. Then this still refusing to negotiate because you are mad? Thats not “I love it here and want to sign” which is fine but not what you are arguing.

What if he wants 13.5 x3 and they are willing to do it? Would you refuse to talk? Makes zero sense.

Why the panic and whats the rush? If he has a strong season( he already is) and then has a strong playoff and the team does a decent run, maybe its more then 13.5

There is no way it makes sense for him to sign early. Especially since Rantanen signed. That makes Marner the best winger available by a mile. Its in his best interests to wait.....

According to the insiders here. Yes. They didn’t even approach him about a trade so as not to set him off.

Then they refused to negotiate and respond to offers. Then the team became exasperated and said. If you don’t want to sign let’s move you. He turned down that multiple times.

And now he is walking himself to UFA. If he does it he will be hated forever in his home town. He lived through JT. I’m surprised he took it this far.

But if he goes through with it, it’s his choice.

Toronto has 27.5 million to spend on

——- Matthews. Domi
———. ————— Nylander.
Mcmann. Laughton. Jankrok
————. Kampf. Reeves.

Knies/tavares is like 13 million. They will have plenty to get a winger or 2. They may even try a 1 year big money deal and keep their powder dry for a big ufa next year? Wink.

Could offer Benn a big 1 year deal.
Could go for ehlers.
If a team wants Marner, maybe a winger shakes free?

There will be options as the cap goes up. Teams like Toronto will always spend to it. So players will come. If Marner wants out. Ok.

You guys are pissed that Marner might be walking himself to UFA but are cheering for McDavid to do it....

also, you guys just won't learn your lesson will you. that would be the new version of the big 4.

 

[Legion34]

Why the panic and whats the rush? If he has a strong season( he already is) and then has a strong playoff and the team does a decent run, maybe its more then 13.5

There is no way it makes sense for him to sign early.


You guys are pissed that Marner might be walking himself to UFA but are cheering for McDavid to do it....

also, you guys just won't learn your lesson will you. that would be the new version of the big 4.

1.) orrrrr maybe it’s already more than 13.5? You don’t know because you refuse to negotiate. That’s dumb. I really want to stay. I want X money but I have no idea if it has been sitting on my desk for a year.

He is having the EXACT same year has he has for the last like 5. 30 goal 100 pt pace. He has been this for years. This is not a unique year for him


2.) no one is “pissed” if Marner chooses to leave the team. Players do it every year. Matthews could ask for a trade tomorrow.
The leafs may lowball him like stamkos or not offer NMC and SB like Petro. Better and more important players than Marner leave teams.

People are “pissed” because he is refusing to talk, refusing to let the team plan for replacements or sign others because they don’t know his plan.

People are pissed because he goes out of his way to try to make himself some community hero and an. Important part of the fabric of the team/community while his agent uses ridiculous tactics. He doesn’t just play and collect his cheque and go home. He tries to be the most important person on the team and play the home town kid angle all the time

He is a good hockey player who has endorsements with Beats by Dre/red bull/apple. Because he presents himself as hometown hero.

If he was a 30 goal 95pt winger in Columbus, you think he has endorsements with major brands? Willy is way more marketable by pure looks. Matthews is the American award winner. Marner is everywhere in Toronto.

If you go that route then go that route. If you want to treat it like a business then do your job and go home. Don’t write hostage love letters.

If you want to leave. Leave. If you want to stay negotiate a contract.

It’s really not complicated.

 

[General Fanager]

1.) orrrrr maybe it’s already more than 13.5? You don’t know because you refuse to negotiate. That’s dumb. I really want to stay. I want X money but I have no idea.

2.) no one is “pissed” if Marner chooses to leave the team. Players do it every year. Matthews could ask for a trade tomorrow.
The leafs may lowball him like stamkos or not offer NMC and SB like Petro. Better and more important players than Marner leave teams.

People are “pissed” because he is refusing to talk, refusing to let the team plan for replacements or sign others because they don’t know his plan.

People are pissed because he goes out of his way to try to make himself some community hero and an. Important part of the fabric of the team/community while his agent uses ridiculous tactics. He doesn’t just play and collect his cheque and go home. He tries to be the most important person on the team and play the home town kid angle all the time

If you go that route then go that route. If you want to treat it like a business then do your job and go home. Don’t write hostage love letters.

If you want to leave. Leave. If you want to stay negotiate a contract.

It’s really not complicated.

He said from the start he wants to be in Toronto and will wait to the offseason. this happens a lot in pro sports. Guys wait until the offseason all the time.

There could also be 100 reasons Mitch might want to wait. Maybe if Shany stays he is like F that Im out. If the team tanks in the playoffs again he bails. It could also be like I said he is just betting on himself having a good season and playoff. Also like I said with Rantanen off the table he is the best winger available by far. Maybe his price just went up a million.

who knows. The point is there is no rush. Everyone knows he won't talk until summer so this full season of melt down by the media and fans is a waste of time.


Its also hilarious that The same Leaf fans that want Marner to sign early and do the team a favour are cheering for McDavid to wait it out cause they think they have a chance.

 

[Legion34]

He said from the start he wants to be in Toronto and will wait to the offseason. this happens a lot in pro sports. Guys wait until the offseason all the time.

There could also be 100 reasons Mitch might want to wait. Maybe if Shany stays he is like F that Im out. If the team tanks in the playoffs again he bails. It could also be like I said he is just betting on himself having a good season and playoff. Also like I said with Rantanen off the table he is the best winger available by far. Maybe his price just went up a million.

who knows. The point is there is no rush. Everyone knows he won't talk until summer so this full season of melt down by the media and fans is a waste of time.


Its also hilarious that The same Leaf fans that want Marner to sign early and do the team a favour are cheering for McDavid to wait it out cause they think they have a chance.

Soooooo he wants to stay and there is no rush. Also he may say F that and bail?

Who knows? You understand you are completely contradicting yourself there right?

Guys who don’t get contracts done in the offseason may wait. Sure. He didn’t negotiate in the offseason. Show me one time a person who wants to stay refused to negotiate in the offseason.

I will wait.

2.) Maybe his price went up by a million? Who knows what his price is? Who knows if they already are offering more than he wants?

3.) the idea that there is no rush because you say so is just dumb? The leafs management obviously does not think this is the plan…. Because they tried to trade for his replacement. So something has changed. The team who has been patient and played with kid gloves and has defended him in the media and let contracts go into the season all the time just decided to try to trade for his replacement. The idea that this is normal is just wrong.

Show me one time a star player who wants to stay refused to negotiate for a year. And the team tried to trade for another star replacement.

Show me anything close to this.

Maybe leafs fans no more about the situation then you? Crazy thought.

There was zero angst in the city about it until it came out they tried to trade for rantanen and Marner had completely refused to negotiate at all despite numerous attempts.

 

[elmaco]

If you bleed blue and white, you don’t refuse to negotiate a contract.

Bennett is a Ferris client and he is now

Bleed blue and white, never win anything, no thanks.

 

[sxvnert]

Why the panic and whats the rush? If he has a strong season( he already is) and then has a strong playoff and the team does a decent run, maybe its more then 13.5

There is no way it makes sense for him to sign early. Especially since Rantanen signed. That makes Marner the best winger available by a mile. Its in his best interests to wait.....


You guys are pissed that Marner might be walking himself to UFA but are cheering for McDavid to do it....

also, you guys just won't learn your lesson will you. that would be the new version of the big 4.

Mr perimeter pass can take 14m+ from someone else. Won't miss him.

 

[General Fanager]

Mr perimeter pass can take 14m+ from someone else. Won't miss him.

wow. this is the kind of post that people mark and save for next year when the leafs can't score or Matthews new line-mates aren't getting it done.

Speaking of Matthews, he is not having good year at all but Marner is still top 7 in points, but The Leafs won't miss him?? I suppose it is possible but it all depends on what they do with the cap room. Given their track record I don't have much faith in the Leafs management.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Can't wait to never watch this loser on my team ever again. Of course fans will claim we let the wrong piece go no matter who, but this is only a start. Everyone but Nylander can go tbh

 

[General Fanager]

Soooooo he wants to stay and there is no rush. Also he may say F that and bail?

Who knows? You understand you are completely contradicting yourself there right?

Guys who don’t get contracts done in the offseason may wait. Sure. He didn’t negotiate in the offseason. Show me one time a person who wants to stay refused to negotiate in the offseason.

I will wait.

2.) Maybe his price went up by a million? Who knows what his price is? Who knows if they already are offering more than he wants?

3.) the idea that there is no rush because you say so is just dumb? The leafs management obviously does not think this is the plan…. Because they tried to trade for his replacement. So something has changed. The team who has been patient and played with kid gloves and has defended him in the media and let contracts go into the season all the time just decided to try to trade for his replacement. The idea that this is normal is just wrong.

Show me one time a star player who wants to stay refused to negotiate for a year. And the team tried to trade for another star replacement.

Show me anything close to this.

Maybe leafs fans no more about the situation then you? Crazy thought.

There was zero angst in the city about it until it came out they tried to trade for rantanen and Marner had completely refused to negotiate at all despite numerous attempts.

1. Yes he said he loves Toronto and The Leafs but business is business.
2. Yes things change and he might bail, especially now since they lied and then tried to trade him.
3. Just cause he won't negotiate now because you say he should doesn't mean he wants to leave.
4. Yes maybe his expected price went up a bit when Rantanen signed. I guess The Leafs will find out in April-late June when their season ends.
5. Maybe Leafs fans are blinded by the fan issue. You can't see the big picture that this is a business first and a sport second. You, like me, would do anything to help the team we love win. Maybe it takes an outsider to see that?? Crazy thought.

Also lastly, there was zero against the team. He always said he loved Toronto and wants to stay. Refused an offer sheet and simply said he wanted to wait to the off season and now the Leafs try to deal him for Rantanen. Not only do they do that but they leak it that he turned them down. Id be pretty pissed if I was him.