Speculation: Marner blocked a trade to Carolina for Rantanen

[Seras]

Yea... awesome team guy and "leader'. Other players talk about want to leave money on the table to win. Meanwhile Marner, for the 2nd time, is doing every single thing he can to try and get overpaid. He's already been significantly overpaid and didn't live up to that contract.

Only an idiot takes less money than they are worth.

I don't see Steve down in accounting asking for a pay cut so Stacy can send her son for extra ballet lessons.

The issue is that the NHL salary cap is horrible

 

[John Mandalorian]

Why would the Leafs ask him?

1. They hope he says yes.

2. They want to create leverage.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Yup, some of them do. Though it wasn't the gabs that car jacked him.

He was just trolling. Carjacking is a terrible crime and I'm glad Mitch wasn't hurt there...as is everyone with a heart. Criminals are criminals and he obviously wasn't targeted for who he is, he was targeted for what he drives.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Only an idiot takes less money than they are worth.

I don't see Steve down in accounting asking for a pay cut so Stacy can send her son for extra ballet lessons.

The issue is that the NHL salary cap is horrible

Every single team in this league plays under a salary cap. Some have tax advantages but the fact is that every team has the same cap maximum. No excuses. If some are more creative getting around it, we'll, if you're not cheating you're not trying.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

It is a smart move by the Leafs because either he agrees to waive, and you upgrade to Rantanen, or he doesn't agree to waive and you know that he is a complete mark who you can lowball on the extension in the summer.

If I were him, I would have told them I'm not waiving, and in the summer I would not re-sign because of it. But he's a mark with Leafs PJs, and my skill level never rose above the outdoor rink at Jack Purcell, and even that is questionable, so none of the above would ever happen (Leafs trying to sign me, or Marner asserting himself over them taking his talent for granted.)

It also poisons the well, because no if the Leafs are out in round 1 and Rantanen is remotely decent in Dallas, it further turns the fans against Marner. He's never going to leaf because he is a mark, but if there was ever a chance that he would leaf, it seems like it being out there that he prevented the Leafs from dumping him for a huge upgrade would hurt his perception in Toronto with the fans.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Why would the Leafs ask him?

1. They hope he says yes.

2. They want to create leverage.

Maybe Carolina wanted to talk contract with Marner so he can get a idea what he is worth to other teams.

 

[Leaf Fans]

He was just trolling. Carjacking is a terrible crime and I'm glad Mitch wasn't hurt there...as is everyone with a heart. Criminals are criminals and he obviously wasn't targeted for who he is, he was targeted for what he drives.

Probably, but it is the HF boards.

 

[LTIR]

What was the point of speculating this or leaking this if was true?

Way to ruin relationships Elliot.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Why would the Leafs ask him?

1. They hope he says yes.

2. They want to create leverage.

Apparently, they asked him by DMing Paul on Twitter.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Probably, but it is the HF boards.

Fair point.

It is a smart move by the Leafs because either he agrees to waive, and you upgrade to Rantanen, or he doesn't agree to waive and you know that he is a complete mark who you can lowball on the extension in the summer.

If I were him, I would have told them I'm not waiving, and in the summer I would not re-sign because of it. But he's a mark with Leafs PJs, and my skill level never rose above the outdoor rink at Jack Purcell, and even that is questionable, so none of the above would ever happen (Leafs trying to sign me, or Marner asserting himself over them taking his talent for granted.)

It also poisons the well, because no if the Leafs are out in round 1 and Rantanen is remotely decent in Dallas, it further turns the fans against Marner. He's never going to leaf because he is a mark, but if there was ever a chance that he would leaf, it seems like it being out there that he prevented the Leafs from dumping him for a huge upgrade would hurt his perception in Toronto with the fans.

Lol Mitch Marner ain't taking anywhere near the value that he is truly worth, mark or not. His handlers won't let that happen.

 

[Antropovsky]

Only an idiot takes less money than they are worth.

I don't see Steve down in accounting asking for a pay cut so Stacy can send her son for extra ballet lessons.

The issue is that the NHL salary cap is horrible

Not even close to being comparable

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

Will be interesting to see how contract negotiations between Marner and the Leafs are this off-season.

Question for the Leafs fans. Is the general consensus that Marner wants to be on the Leafs more or does the Leafs ownership willing to pay what Marner wants?

 

[Leaf Fans]

Will be interesting to see how contract negotiations between Marner and the Leafs are this off-season.

Question for the Leafs fans. Is the general consensus that Marner wants to be on the Leafs more or does the Leafs ownership willing to pay what Marner wants?

I think they they want to negotiate and find something that both sides find acceptable.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Will be interesting to see how contract negotiations between Marner and the Leafs are this off-season.

Question for the Leafs fans. Is the general consensus that Marner wants to be on the Leafs more or does the Leafs ownership willing to pay what Marner wants?

If he doesn't become a playoff dynamo I am pretty sure Treliving will do everything in his power to move on from him.

Whether or not he gets overruled by the corporate f*** ownership more focused on jersey sales than Cups...that's an unknown at this time.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Steve Simmons needs to write about Mitch Marner’s route to purchase hot dogs from a street vendor.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Fair point.

Lol Mitch Marner ain't taking anywhere near the value that he is truly worth, mark or not. His handlers won't let that happen.

He is never going to get respect on the Leafs. Being asked to waive for Rantanen shows that.

If he wants to be second or third banana who gets thrown under the bus, that's fine. Like most teams, they have a very clear hierarchy. But he's never going to be the Kane to Matthews Toews. It's pretty clear they don't view him that way, and if he wants to be respected as a real franchise player he needs to leave.

It's 100 percent fine if he doesn't see himself among the legitimate top tier players in the league and is happy to be part of something bigger than himself. Everybody has their place and their role. But I get the impression based on his last contract negotiations, and his on ice play, that he probably lives in a terrible existential nightmare where he sees himself as being the 1B to Matthews 1A, wants to live out his fantasies of helping the Leafs win a playoff round, but he has to know they don't view him that way and they never will.

He needs to go to Utah or something. Go somewhere that wants to pay him the 14 million per or whatever the big number will be this offseason, and put his face on the side of the arena. Hell, go to Tampa, they basically have the same jersey as Toronto.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Steve Simmons needs to write about Mitch Marner’s route to purchase hot dogs from a street vendor.

Maybe his son's friend saw him at a hotdog vendor.

 

[Leaf Fans]

He is never going to get respect on the Leafs. Being asked to waive for Rantanen shows that.

If he wants to be second or third banana who gets thrown under the bus, that's fine. Like most teams, they have a very clear hierarchy. But he's never going to be the Kane to Matthews Toews. It's pretty clear they don't view him that way, and if he wants to be respected as a real franchise player he needs to leave.

It's 100 percent fine if he doesn't see himself among the legitimate top tier players in the league and is happy to be part of something bigger than himself. Everybody has their place and their role. But I get the impression based on his last contract negotiations, and his on ice play, that he probably lives in a terrible existential nightmare where he sees himself as being the 1B to Matthews 1A, wants to live out his fantasies of helping the Leafs win a playoff round, but he has to know they don't view him that way and they never will.

He needs to go to Utah or something. Go somewhere that wants to pay him the 14 million per or whatever the big number will be this offseason, and put his face on the side of the arena. Hell, go to Tampa, they basically have the same jersey as Toronto.

It doesn't necessarily show that.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

He is never going to get respect on the Leafs. Being asked to waive for Rantanen shows that.

If he wants to be second or third banana who gets thrown under the bus, that's fine. Like most teams, they have a very clear hierarchy. But he's never going to be the Kane to Matthews Toews. It's pretty clear they don't view him that way, and if he wants to be respected as a real franchise player he needs to leave.

It's 100 percent fine if he doesn't see himself among the legitimate top tier players in the league and is happy to be part of something bigger than himself. Everybody has their place and their role. But I get the impression based on his last contract negotiations, and his on ice play, that he probably lives in a terrible existential nightmare where he sees himself as being the 1B to Matthews 1A, wants to live out his fantasies of helping the Leafs win a playoff round, but he has to know they don't view him that way and they never will.

He needs to go to Utah or something. Go somewhere that wants to pay him the 14 million per or whatever the big number will be this offseason, and put his face on the side of the arena. Hell, go to Tampa, they basically have the same jersey as Toronto.

We don't view him that way and it's his f***ing fault.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

If he doesn't become a playoff dynamo I am pretty sure Treliving will do everything in his power to move on from him.

Whether or not he gets overruled by the corporate f*** ownership more focused on jersey sales than Cups...that's an unknown at this time.

Ahh. Understood. Could be one of things where whats best for the ownership may not be best for the team.

 

[Legion34]

No worries. Elliot said the trade request was done professionally on all sides. There is no evidence that he is out the door yet, except common sense.

He is never going to get respect on the Leafs. Being asked to waive for Rantanen shows that.

If he wants to be second or third banana who gets thrown under the bus, that's fine. Like most teams, they have a very clear hierarchy. But he's never going to be the Kane to Matthews Toews. It's pretty clear they don't view him that way, and if he wants to be respected as a real franchise player he needs to leave.

It's 100 percent fine if he doesn't see himself among the legitimate top tier players in the league and is happy to be part of something bigger than himself. Everybody has their place and their role. But I get the impression based on his last contract negotiations, and his on ice play, that he probably lives in a terrible existential nightmare where he sees himself as being the 1B to Matthews 1A, wants to live out his fantasies of helping the Leafs win a playoff round, but he has to know they don't view him that way and they never will.

He needs to go to Utah or something. Go somewhere that wants to pay him the 14 million per or whatever the big number will be this offseason, and put his face on the side of the arena. Hell, go to Tampa, they basically have the same jersey as Toronto.

All the reports are that they aren’t negotiating. They have made multiple attempts to negotiate and Marner wants to wait. So they said

Mitch we want to sign you, but it if you don’t want to sign we can move you, will you go to Carolina.
And he said wants to stay and sign here.
He had said he wasn’t going to negotiate in the season

I guess he meant it

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

It doesn't necessarily show that.

It depends on context and kind of agreements both side have about the upcoming contract, but it's difficult to imagine many scenarios where they could approach him with such a proposition and not have it seem like an indication that they don't view him at a certain level.

Not to mention, it's out there that they were willing to deal futures for Rantanen and keep Marner for the rest of the season. If they did that, Marner is 100 percent gone unless he takes an outrageous discount. If you're sitting in Marner's shoes, you basically see that they were willing to give up the equivalent of four first round picks to replace you, rather than sign you to market value and keep the four first rounders. The math tells a story, which is that Marner is not in their long term plans. The only scenario where that isn't a blow to Marner, is if it's because Marner doesn't want to sign with Toronto. We're assuming he wants to stay.

Ultimately, this gives them no excuse to not pay Marner market value other than they don't want to. It's very exposing. Because they can't just say we don't think we can win with another 12+ million dollar player, because they were prepared to give Rantanen at least that, and his ask may have been higher for Toronto than Dallas due to taxes.

 

[Leaf Fans]

It depends on context and kind o

It depends on context and kind of agreements both side have about the upcoming contract, but it's difficult to imagine many scenarios where they could approach him with such a proposition and not have it seem like an indication that they don't view him at a certain level.

Not to mention, it's out there that they were willing to deal futures for Rantanen and keep Marner for the rest of the season. If they did that, Marner is 100 percent gone unless he takes an outrageous discount. If you're sitting in Marner's shoes, you basically see that they were willing to give up the equivalent of four first round picks to replace you, rather than sign you to market value and keep the four first rounders. The math tells a story, which is that Marner is not in their long term plans. The only scenario where that isn't a blow to Marner, is if it's because Marner doesn't want to sign with Toronto. We're assuming he wants to stay.

Ultimately, this gives them no excuse to not pay Marner market value other than they don't want to. It's very exposing. Because they can't just say we don't think we can win with another 12+ million dollar player, because they were prepared to give Rantanen at least that, and his ask may have been higher for Toronto than Dallas due to taxes.

f agreements both side have about the upcoming contract, but it's difficult to imagine many scenarios where they could approach him with such a proposition and not have it seem like an indication that they don't view him at a certain level.

Not to mention, it's out there that they were willing to deal futures for Rantanen and keep Marner for the rest of the season. If they did that, Marner is 100 percent gone unless he takes an outrageous discount. If you're sitting in Marner's shoes, you basically see that they were willing to give up the equivalent of four first round picks to replace you, rather than sign you to market value and keep the four first rounders. The math tells a story, which is that Marner is not in their long term plans. The only scenario where that isn't a blow to Marner, is if it's because Marner doesn't want to sign with Toronto. We're assuming he wants to stay.

Ultimately, this gives them no excuse to not pay Marner market value other than they don't want to. It's very exposing. Because they can't just say we don't think we can win with another 12+ million dollar player, because they were prepared to give Rantanen at least that, and his ask may have been higher for Toronto than Dallas due to taxes.

Sure, those are all possibilities.

 

[No More Subban]

They remain one. Rantanen would have been great had Carolina accepted the prospects.

They never were..

 

[Leaf Fans]

They never were..

Sure, they are still.