Tribute Marner Appreciation Thread

[Notsince67]

Yes and I posted a link to an entire thread dedicated to why the giveaway stay is considered useless...for precisely this reason...@Notsince67 of course chose to ignore where I posted it.

Do you want to touch on that thread I posted and why you think the giveaway stat is accurate? Remember there's an entire thread of posters on this board who would disagree with you that its accurate. Maybe you should post your opinion on there? It would be fad more entertaining for me.

It's stupid. You blame Marner for turnovers and then when showed he has no turnovers you say its a useless stat. It's not the premise I ignore. It's the idiocy of the positions you take

 

[Antropovsky]

It's stupid. You blame Marner for turnovers and then when showed he has no turnovers you say its a useless stat. It's not the premise I ignore. It's the idiocy of the positions you take

..... So because giveaways are poorly tracked by the NHL that means they dont occur?

Please elaborate. If you think my position is idiocy, why dont you post your opinion on the thread I linked you too. We can see if the mass agree with your perspective, which your very confident in. Will you do that?

 

[LeafsNation75]

Yes and I posted a link to an entire thread dedicated to why the giveaway stay is considered useless...for precisely this reason...@Notsince67 of course chose to ignore where I posted it.

Do you want to touch on that thread I posted and why you think the giveaway stat is accurate? Remember there's an entire thread of posters on this board who would disagree with you that its accurate. Maybe you should post your opinion on there? It would be fad more entertaining for me.

You are choosing to ignore the actual game stats from nhl.com that shows Marner with 0 turnovers in Game 6, along with video of the play in question right before the game winning goal.

The reason you are doing that is because for some personal reason you hate Marner.

 

[LeafsNation75]

That I agree with and by no means am I denying that.
Just hard to rank him in the top 5 all time and top 5 in the current league.
Just like we can name the best player in the league in McD and I don’t think anyone would dispute that but can anyone name the 2nd best player without another player being in the conversation?

I agree it's hard right now to rank him top 5 all time in Hockey IQ.

However, I don't think it's outrageous to have him in the top 5 in Hockey IQ among current NHL players.

 

[Antropovsky]

You are choosing to ignore the actual game stats from nhl.com that shows Marner with 0 turnovers in Game 6, along with video of the play in question right before the game winning goal.

The reason you are doing that is because for some personal reason you hate Marner.

If you disagree with me, your disagreement the majority. Have you read the thread on the main board how the giveaway stay isn't unreliable for many reasons? Linked below.

So you think I'm wrong and all the posters in this thread? Care to post your thoughts in this thread?

Interesting Stats to Dissect: Giveaways

Forwards - Min 50 GP and 17:00 TOI/GP PlayerTeamGvAGvA/60GP Mathew BarzalNYI1034.5368 Matthew TkachukCGY864.0869 David PastrnakBOS883.9770 Evgeni MalkinPIT693.8555 Ryan GetzlafANA763.5269 Artemi PanarinNYR823.4669 Leon DraisaitlEDM913.471 Chris KreiderNYR613.3663 Mitchell MarnerTOR713.3459...

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[DarkKnight]

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[LeafsNation75]

If you disagree with me, your disagreement the majority. Have you read the thread on the main board how the giveaway stay isn't unreliable for many reasons? Linked below.

So you think I'm wrong and all the posters in this thread? Care to post your thoughts in this thread?

Interesting Stats to Dissect: Giveaways

Forwards - Min 50 GP and 17:00 TOI/GP PlayerTeamGvAGvA/60GP Mathew BarzalNYI1034.5368 Matthew TkachukCGY864.0869 David PastrnakBOS883.9770 Evgeni MalkinPIT693.8555 Ryan GetzlafANA763.5269 Artemi PanarinNYR823.4669 Leon DraisaitlEDM913.471 Chris KreiderNYR613.3663 Mitchell MarnerTOR713.3459...

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I'm not saying Marner has never had any giveaways during his NHL career.

When it comes to the stats for Game 6 against Tampa Bay as far as the NHL is concerned, he had 0 giveaways that night.

If you want to talk about actual giveaways from that night Alex Kerfoot had 3 of them, which included this one when Tampa scored to make it 1-0.

 

[Antropovsky]

I'm not saying Marner has never had any giveaways during his NHL career.

When it comes to the stats for Game 6 against Tampa Bay as far as the NHL is concerned, he had 0 giveaways that night.

If you want to talk about actual giveaways from that night Alex Kerfoot had 3 of them, which included this one when Tampa scored to make it 1-0.

Look guilty until proven innocent, was that a pass or a clearing attempt? Nobody really knows but Marner, and that's why it's a bad stat.

It's a pass attempt, but if you want to call it a clearing attempt... It was a high risk play and the worst case scenario happened. Clearing attempt or pass.. Ge flipped it into a dangerous area and the leafs paid the price.

Here trotz on leafs... Bolded is what that Marner play was


The thing I saw with them last year is the commitment level in the playoffs. Their stars were blocking shots. They got their noses dirty a little more often. They made the simple play when they had to. They didn’t try to force things.”

 

[Antropovsky]

What I said is 100% true. I prefer to watch the games than the GDT, but certainly lots of people say silly things in the GDT. Though are you sure all these fans wasn't just you repeating it a bunch of times? Not sure how anybody could have anything bad to say about Marner last night. The whole panel was gushing over him at intermission, and I don't even think he had a point yet.

Obviously everybody has turnovers from time to time, but that's not really what we're discussing. We've already discussed your incorrect representations of past playoff plays plenty of times - neither of which are "bad turnovers off of low percentage plays" anyway. Not really interested in rehashing it.

Trotz recently said exactly what I said about Marner about the whole group. Not making safe plays and not competing hard enough.

Since the Montreal playoff series you've said Marner has been excellent.

It's great that I have Trotz in my corner. Proves my opinions about the last few playoffs were accurate. Note I was generally arguing with the same posters then that I am now.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I just think that if it’s that close who cares. It has no impact

The trouble is, if you don't call it exactly, how much do you give? Is ½" ok?, If so, is 1"? 2"? 3"? A foot? Why not just eliminate the line?

 

[WillyC]

Imagine being the guy who signal handily trashed Mitch’s appreciation thread… just imagine being that guy?

 

[notDatsyuk]

I can’t believe marners high iq is actually a debate. It’s literally his #1 asset

Compare him to nylander:
Shot is slower and less accurate
Top speed is worse
Puck protection is a tad worse
He’s weaker than nylander
His edgework is probably better
Stick handling slightly better

If the gap between them isn’t much physically, and nylander usually is ahead it’s has to be mentally/iq wise.

It’s taking nylander to have a career year to achieve Marner’s normal numbers. I love nylander, but the facts are Marner is better, and if the things above are true, then marners iq must be off the charts for him to consistently outpace nylander, who has great iq in his own right

The semantics of “top 5” or “top 10” don’t really matter, if categorized, marner is in tier 1

Maybe all it takes is for Willy is to spend part of the season with a great centre instead of dragging JT around.

 

[Kelly]

Honestly seems like a TWS burner account... Very similar writing style.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Trotz recently said exactly what I said about Marner about the whole group. Not making safe plays and not competing hard enough. Since the Montreal playoff series you've said Marner has been excellent. It's great that I have Trotz in my corner.

I would point out your attempt at the appeal to authority fallacy, but it's unnecessary because the truth is Trotz has never said anything that you've said about Marner or anybody anyway. You're just picking out words and statements and arbitrarily claiming it means things that it doesn't. Trotz would be the first to agree that Marner is excellent.

 

[Antropovsky]

I would point out your attempt at the appeal to authority fallacy, but it's unnecessary because the truth is Trotz has never said anything that you've said about Marner or anybody anyway. You're just picking out words and statements and arbitrarily claiming it means things that it doesn't. Trotz would be the first to agree that Marner is excellent.

Let start with this... Do "you" agree or disagree with Trotz that Marner along with the rest of the "stars" weren't forcing plays and weren't getting their noses dirty enough?

Btw I'm not surprised your trying to say that this isn't exactly what I've always complained about with Marner. I've been calling out both game 6 plays .. For how long? Saying that they both were forced plays? Ive taken a lot of heat for this.. And now because Trotz mentions it... I didn't say it? I'm not surprised.

What about my complaints about his lack of physical play? Didn't happen right? You are the one who keeps twisting this to meaning "fight and throw huge hits". Youve attacked others the most for wanting the stars to be more physical (which is getting their noses more dirty)

This is what I expected , years of being told I'm wrong and "won't shut up" and now...it didn't happen. This is part of the reason I've repeated myself.

Again nice to have Trotz in my corner.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I agree that if it's an extremely close play at the blue line the offside challenges should stop. Although I will admit if the Leafs allow a goal under those circumstances, and it's disallowed because of a close offside, I won't complain if that happened.

Personally, I think the NHL should go with an idea Ray Ferraro once said about this rule. If a goal is scored on a play that might have been offside and a head coach wants to challenge it, they should also see if any of the players on the team who allowed the goal had the puck on their stick with a chance to clear it. He equated it to when a team touches the puck on a delayed penalty call, because when that happens the whistle is blown and the play is stopped. So, if the puck was on the stick of a player that was their chance to clear it and if they failed, they shouldn't be saved by an offside which might have happened 30 seconds earlier.

Interesting, but I can see coaches asking for a lot more time to check their replays before challenging, and then the refs and situation room taking much longer, and instead of just determining if a player was over the line, to have to determine 'control'.

I think you might be opening a great big can of worms.

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

Never a dull moment in the Marner appreciation thread.

Glad to see he's still leading the way even without Matthews. Even though his numbers are slightly down, he's really stabilized the JT line. Him turning the line into a legitimate 1A line will bod well on the playoffs (if we use that line combination).

 

[ZEBROA]

I expect more from Marner, I dont think he is among the 5-7 best players in NHL, but i think he should be. If that is hating then i dont know what to say. He need to do better in the playoffs with the 7/11s. I belive and hope he will this playoff. I am way more concerned about Matthews. And that Nylanders boost wont keep on. We need them all.

 

[Notsince67]

..... So because giveaways are poorly tracked by the NHL that means they dont occur?

Please elaborate. If you think my position is idiocy, why dont you post your opinion on the thread I linked you too. We can see if the mass agree with your perspective, which your very confident in. Will you do that?

Why don't you go fo to that thread you posted and get out of the Marner appreciation one?

 

[MAB1]

Why don't you go fo to that thread you posted and get out of the Marner appreciation one?

This is the only way they get attention.

If that poster wasn't trolling in the Marner thread nobody would respond to them.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Let start with this... Do "you" agree or disagree with Trotz that Marner along with the rest of the "stars" weren't forcing plays and weren't getting their noses dirty enough?

Let's start with the fact that you don't actually seem to know what Trotz said, despite the fact that you've posted the quote.
Actually, we should be starting with the fact that what Trotz says is irrelevant, but I'll entertain this because it's funny seeing you post things that contradict your own argument.
What Trotz said was...
"The thing I saw with them last year is the commitment level in the playoffs. Their stars were blocking shots. They got their noses dirty a little more often. They made the simple play when they had to. They didn’t try to force things."
That's a complimentary statement. I'm not really sure how you're misinterpreting it otherwise. He's saying that the team had a high commitment level in the playoffs. He says the stars were blocking shots and getting their noses dirty. He says they didn't try to force things, and they made the simple plays when necessary. Which is completely different and in fact contradictory to both your false claims about Marner, and your misrepresentations of plays within those playoffs.

 

[ACC1224]

This is the only way they get attention.

If that poster wasn't trolling in the Marner thread nobody would respond to them.

If only that were the case but some just can't help themselves.
They must respond and get the last word in, which of course never happens.

 

[Gary Nylund]

That I agree with and by no means am I denying that.
Just hard to rank him in the top 5 all time and top 5 in the current league.
Just like we can name the best player in the league in McD and I don’t think anyone would dispute that but can anyone name the 2nd best player without another player being in the conversation?

I agree it's hard right now to rank him top 5 all time in Hockey IQ.

However, I don't think it's outrageous to have him in the top 5 in Hockey IQ among current NHL players.

Agreed. I mean, why can't people just say that Marner has elite hockey sense, hockey IQ, vision and whatever else, leave it at that and everyone would agree. But no, people have to take one Cooper quote, twist his words and proclaim Marner as being smarter than anyone who has ever played the game.

Ask unbiased people to name one player as having the best hockey IQ ever and I'll bet most of them say Gretzky. He's about the only guy you could call the best ever without being laughed out of the room. And before y'all get triggered, there is no reason whatsoever for people to interpret that as being some kind of shot at Marner, it's not so don't embarrass yourself.

Marner is such a smart player, he's a joy to watch. Watching him kill penalties is my favorite time to watch, he's just so dangerous. The only real knock against him is the dropoff in production in a few of those playoff series but that was a long time ago, he's been awesome since the beginning of last season (including the last playoffs) and hopefully he's even better in the playoffs going forward.

 

[notdoneyet]

Its easy put those posters on ignore
Dont feed them

 

[ACC1224]

Its easy put those posters on ignore
Dont feed them

The ignore here is terrible. You still see the replies to them so you end up with a bunch of random posts on the page that don't really make sense.
I use the manual ignore.