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Mikhail Abramov QMJHL VIC
Games: 9 Goals: 4 Assists: 10 Points: 14 SOG: 36 DS: 8 Rating: +8 ESP: 13 PPP: 1 SHP: FO%: 51.8 CF%: NA TOI: NA POW: POM:

William Villeneuve QMJHL SJ
Games: 15 Goals: 1 Assists: 5 Points: 6 SOG: 43 DS: 7 Rating: +4 ESP: 3 PPP: 3 SHP: POW: POM:

Mikko Kokkonen Liga Jukurit
Games: 18 Goals: Assists: 3 Points: 3 SOG: 25 Rating: -9 ESP: 3 PPP: CF%: 48.8 TOI: 21:00 POW: POM:

Axel Rindell Liga Jukurit
Games: 17 Goals: 3 Assists: 9 Points: 12 SOG: 32 Rating: -9 ESP: 5 PPP: 7 CF%: 48.6 TOI: 20:07 POW: POM:

Rino Hirvonen Liga Assat
Games: 20 Goals: 5 Assists: 4 Points: 9 SOG: 37 Rating: -6 ESP: 8 PPP: 1 CF%: 46.9 TOI: 15:40 FO%: 53.0 POW: 1 POM:

Eemeli Rasanen Liga HPK
Games: 12 Goals: Assists: Points: SOG: 3
Rating: -3 ESP: PPP: CF%: 40.4 NA TOI: 15:16 POW: POM:

Kalle Loponen Nourten SM Liga Karpat U20
Games: 22 Goals: 5 Assists: 11 Points: 16 SOG: Rating: +10 ESP: PPP: CF%: NA TOI: NA
Liga Karpat
Games: 1 Goals: Assists: Points: SOG: 1 Rating: even ESP: PPP: CF%: 78.6 TOI: 10:09

Topi Niemela Liga Karpat
Games: 9 Goals: Assists: 3 Points: 3 SOG: 12
Rating: +3 ESP: 3 PPP: CF%: 63.3 NA TOI: 14:18 POW: POM:
SM Liga Karpat U20
Games: 6 Goals: 1 Assists: 3 Points: 4 SOG: Rating: even ESP: PPP: CF%: NA TOI: NA

Pontus Holmberg SHL Vaxjo
Games: 13 Goals: 5 Assists: 3 Points: 8 SOG: 17 Rating: +1 ESP: 5 PPP: 3 CF%: 54.55 TOI: 16:15 POW: 2 POM:

Filip Hallander SHL Lulea
Games: 15 Goals: 1 Assists: 5 Points: 6 SOG: 33 Rating: even ESP: 4 PPP: 2 CF%: 56.97 TOI: 15:49 POW: 1 POM:

Rodion Amirov KHL Salavat
Games: 23 Goals: 5 Assists: 3 Points: 8 SOG: 39 Rating: -2 ESP: 4 PPP: 4 CF%: TOI: 13:56 POW: POM:

Yegor Korshkov KHL Lokomotiv
Games: 29 Goals: 10 Assists: 9 Points: 19 SOG: 65 Rating: +9 ESP: 15 PPP: 4 CF%: NA TOI: 15:38 POW: POM:

Semyon Kizimov KHL Nizhiny
Games: 4 Goals: Assists: Points: SOG: Rating: +1 ESP: 0 PPP: CF%: NA TOI: 7:03 POW: POM:
VHL Lada
Games: 11 Goals: 4 Assists: 5 Points: 9 SOG: 13 Rating: +5 ESP: 9 PPP: CF%: NA TOI: 15:35 POW: POM

SDA KHL Nizhiny
Games: 10 Goals: 1 Assists: 4 Points: 5 SOG: 18 Rating: even ESP: 4 PPP: 1 CF%: NA TOI: 14:04 FO%: 41.2 POW: POM:

Artur Akhtyamov KHL Bars Kazan
Games: 3 GAA: 2.90 SV%: .904 SO: POW: POM:
VHL Bars
Games: 8 GAA: 1.58 SV%: .935 SO: 1 POW: POM:
MHL Bars
Games: 3 GAA: 1.67 SV%: .926 SO: POW: POM:

Filip Kral Chance Liga Prerov
Games: 7 Goals: 2 Assists: 8 Points: 10 SOG: 22 Rating: +4 ESP: 5 PPP: 4 SHP: 1 CF%: 56.11 TOI: 25:35 POW: POM:
Extraliga
Games: 10 Goals: 1 Assists: 2 Points: 3 SOG: 12 Rating: +3 ESP: 3 PPP: SHP: ESCF%: 44.66 TOI: 19:26 POW: POM:

Mac Hollowell Mestis TUTU
Games: 6 Goals: 2 Assists: 4 Points: 6 SOG: 15 Rating: even ESP: 6 PPP: SHP: CF%: 60.2 TOI: 22:08 POW: 1 POM:

Dmitri Ovchinnikov MHL Sibiriskie
Games: 19 Goals: 11 Assists: 19 Points: 30 SOG: 61 Rating: +5 ESP: 24 PPP: 4 SHP: 2 CF%: TOI: 23:29 POW: 2 POM: 1

Wyatt Schingoethe USHL Waterloo
Games: 1 Goals: 1 Assists: Points: 1 SOG: 2 Rating: +1 ESP: 1 PPP: SHP: 1 CF%: TOI: POW: POM:

Joe Miller USHL Chicago
Games: 3 Goals: Assists: Points: SOG: 2 Rating: -4 ESP: PPP: SHP: CF%: TOI: POW: POM:

Mike Koster College Minnesota
Games: 4 Goals: Assists: 1 Points: 1 SOG: 5 Rating: +1 ESP: PPP: SHP: CF%: TOI: POW: POM:
Ryan O'Connell College Ohio State
Games: 4 Goals: Assists: 1 Points: 1 SOG: 1 Rating: -1 ESP: 1 PPP: SHP: CF%: TOI: POW: POM:

This is only including the guys who have started so far.
 
LeafChief said:
It's been a while since the Leafs have had this much representation at the WJC. Maybe the year Marner, Nylander and Matthews were there?

Matthews wasn't Leafs property yet and I think that was the year Nylander got hit in the head during the first game and missed the tournament.
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Canada who? Can't decide if I'm gonna be a Finland, Russia, or America fan this year. :sarcasm:
 
stickty111 said:
With the other tools Hallander has, you are still looking at a 3rd line player even if the production doesn't catch up. He also can play a complementry role to a scoring line, much like how Hyman does. Hallander offensive skillset is above what Hyman's was at all though Hyman improved.
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I’m hoping he can be like a Jay Mclement.
 
A future third line of

Hirvonen-Hallinder Abramov would be pretty nice to have.

3 centers all capable playing together proving good offense and supporting the big 4 along with robertson+amirov
 
stickty111 said:
With the other tools Hallander has, you are still looking at a 3rd line player even if the production doesn't catch up. He also can play a complementry role to a scoring line, much like how Hyman does. Hallander offensive skillset is above what Hyman's was at all though Hyman improved.
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If he can't score he's not going to be a 3rd liner at the NHL level, that's to high in the lineup with to many minutes to not offer anything offensively

He's starting to concern me
 
Kiwi said:
If he can't score he's not going to be a 3rd liner at the NHL level, that's to high in the lineup with to many minutes to not offer anything offensively

He's starting to concern me
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Hyman still became a 3rd liner before despite little offense. He played a supporting role on a good line. No reason Hallander can't do the same.
There isn't anything to be concerned with Hallander. He is their best possession player and playing really well in a 1st line role. He'll be fine. Whats to be concerned about? I think your overracting a bit.
 
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hamzarocks said:
A future third line of

Hirvonen-Hallinder Abramov would be pretty nice to have.

3 centers all capable playing together proving good offense and supporting the big 4 along with robertson+amirov
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All offer something different to the line, but one thing in common is they are smart responsible players. A 3rd line like that would be nice in 2-3 years.
 
LeafChief said:
It's been a while since the Leafs have had this much representation at the WJC. Maybe the year Marner, Nylander and Matthews were there?

Matthews wasn't Leafs property yet and I think that was the year Nylander got hit in the head during the first game and missed the tournament.
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That's true. I was at those Bronze & Gold medal games.
 
Morgs said:
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there aren't many D+1 Russians who play in the MHL, but Chinakov is one. He had 1.2 points per game and was subsequently drafted in the first round, is performing at a high level in the KHL, and was great for Russia in the Karjala cup. Kirill Marchenko is another comparable who had 1.15 points per game, and has 17 points in 24 KHL games as a 20 year old. Marat Khusnutdinov is another one, who has 1.4 points per game. 1.6 points per game for Ovchnnikov definitely shows he has a path to be a real player in the future
 
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CantLoseWithMatthews said:
there aren't many D+1 Russians who play in the MHL, but Chinakov is one. He had 1.2 points per game and was subsequently drafted in the first round, is performing at a high level in the KHL, and was great for Russia in the Karjala cup. Kirill Marchenko is another comparable who had 1.15 points per game, and has 17 points in 24 KHL games as a 20 year old. Marat Khusnutdinov is another one, who has 1.4 points per game. 1.6 points per game for Ovchnnikov definitely shows he has a path to be a real player in the future
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The difference between all of those guys and Ovchinnikov is that they had significant exposure in international competitions. Ovchinnikov may have received it had it not been for Covid, but he did not play in those competitions all that much (even though he did pretty well when he did). I also imagine that Chinakhov does not get drafted in the 1st round without that KHL start either. His MHL numbers were good enough for him to maybe get drafted in the 4th round.
 
SeaOfBlue said:
Not even remotely similar. The OHL is much more competitive than the MHL. I guess it is better than him sucking in the MHL though.
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Bader's posts are based on NHLe, so he's just saying that Ovchinnikov is essentially having a statistically similar season when comparing the two leagues. I know you're not the biggest fan of DO, but it's obviously a good thing.

CantLoseWithMatthews said:
there aren't many D+1 Russians who play in the MHL, but Chinakov is one. He had 1.2 points per game and was subsequently drafted in the first round, is performing at a high level in the KHL, and was great for Russia in the Karjala cup. Kirill Marchenko is another comparable who had 1.15 points per game, and has 17 points in 24 KHL games as a 20 year old. Marat Khusnutdinov is another one, who has 1.4 points per game. 1.6 points per game for Ovchnnikov definitely shows he has a path to be a real player in the future
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Yeah, it's definitely there. Every time I've watched him this season I've come away impressed as hell. Strong skater, strong shot, good passing, plays hard defensively and is obviously wrecking the league. I doubt he's really close to a Robby-level prospect, but for his NHLe to be that similar in his D+0 and for him to be [another] late birthday, I'm impressed.
 
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SeaOfBlue said:
The difference between all of those guys and Ovchinnikov is that they had significant exposure in international competitions. Ovchinnikov may have received it had it not been for Covid, but he did not play in those competitions all that much (even though he did pretty well when he did). I also imagine that Chinakhov does not get drafted in the 1st round without that KHL start either. His MHL numbers were good enough for him to maybe get drafted in the 4th round.
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I don't think international performance has much of a bearing on future potential. But you could make a good case that Ovchinnikov should have been invited to the WJC camp
 
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CantLoseWithMatthews said:
there aren't many D+1 Russians who play in the MHL, but Chinakov is one. He had 1.2 points per game and was subsequently drafted in the first round, is performing at a high level in the KHL, and was great for Russia in the Karjala cup. Kirill Marchenko is another comparable who had 1.15 points per game, and has 17 points in 24 KHL games as a 20 year old. Marat Khusnutdinov is another one, who has 1.4 points per game. 1.6 points per game for Ovchnnikov definitely shows he has a path to be a real player in the future
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Morgs said:
Bader's posts are based on NHLe, so he's just saying that Ovchinnikov is essentially having a statistically similar season when comparing the two leagues. I know you're not the biggest fan of DO, but it's obviously a good thing.



Yeah, it's definitely there. Every time I've watched him this season I've come away impressed as hell. Strong skater, strong shot, good passing, plays hard defensively and is obviously wrecking the league. I doubt he's really close to a Robby-level prospect, but for his NHLe to be that similar in his D+0 and for him to be [another] late birthday, I'm impressed.
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Comparison to Amirov.
 
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Morgs said:
Bader's posts are based on NHLe, so he's just saying that Ovchinnikov is essentially having a statistically similar season when comparing the two leagues. I know you're not the biggest fan of DO, but it's obviously a good thing.
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Not that I have anything against NHLe, but I have found that there seems to be various shortcomings when using it in most European countries, either having a lot of guys who model extremely well but fail (and vice-versa, guys who maybe do not model the best but turn out, although that is less common) or finding that it is not as important as other factors (i.e. how well they do internationally or whether they are playing in the pro leagues at a young age).

CantLoseWithMatthews said:
I don't think international performance has much of a bearing on future potential. But you could make a good case that Ovchinnikov should have been invited to the WJC camp
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It does for most European countries (Sweden is the main exception I would say). If you look at the Russians in the NHL right now, only Mikheyev did not have significant international exposure by the time he was 20. Most of them are even on the U18 squads, although Panarin and Gusev were not. Both went undrafted at least twice (Panarin was ultimately undrafted altogether), but Panarin likely should have been drafted since he had almost a 0.5 PPG in the KHL in his DY, which is a suitable alternative to international exposure.

All of the drafted Russian goalies were starters for their U18 teams, and the two undrafted ones (Bobrovsky and Georgiev) were starters for their U20 teams and were full time pro players by 20 as well.

Of course, I am referring to Russians who play in Russia. If they decide to come to the CHL in their DY, then I subject them to CHL production expectations and they do not need to play internationally (certain countries, such as Russia, have certain biases against Russians who left Russia to play in the CHL). Therefore, if guys like Abramov and SDA received less international playing time because they were in the CHL, that is not held against them as much as it would be a guy staying in Russia.
 
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