Prospect Info: Marlies/Prospects Thread - Vote Miettinen for the Hobey Baker!

[Prominence]

Nvm didn’t read it enough

 

[stickty111]

Carrying on with a newer update from @Morgs on Kral, his Rel CF is now up to -0.71. His OZ% is still low at 42. Considering just 2 weeks ago his rel was really low, it shows the guy has been playing fantastic recently despite being on a team with zombies on them. His team is bad.
The production isn't there and I don't expect it to be with the team he is on, but it's amazing the recovery he made with his play.

 

[Morgs]

Carrying on with a newer update from @Morgs on Kral, his Rel CF is now up to -0.71. His OZ% is still low at 42. Considering just 2 weeks ago his rel was really low, it shows the guy has been playing fantastic recently despite being on a team with zombies on them. His team is bad.
The production isn't there and I don't expect it to be with the team he is on, but it's amazing the recovery he made with his play.

I think his OZS might actually be even lower than that too IIRC.

He's really bounced back on a horrible team getting sewered in terrible minutes. Good on him.

 

[stickty111]

I think his OZS might actually be even lower than that too IIRC.

He's really bounced back on a horrible team getting sewered in terrible minutes. Good on him.

It might be but thats the stat I saw. Great work on bouncing back to make him pretty much break even under awful usage.

 

[stickty111]

Off topic, but wow

 

[LeafChief]

Off topic, but wow

The highlights from this game are WILD.

 

[stppnmd]

Sup guys, just passing by from the Panthers board. I really like all your Russian prospects but I've just heard SDA and Korshkov are both in the KHL. Has anyone seen them play, are they projecting to be in NHL? The stats are looking pretty decent but you know, they can't be telling the whole picture.

 

[Prominence]

Sup guys, just passing by from the Panthers board. I really like all your Russian prospects but I've just heard SDA and Korshkov are both in the KHL. Has anyone seen them play, are they projecting to be in NHL? The stats are looking pretty decent but you know, they can't be telling the whole picture.

SDA has okay/average skating with an undersized frame. He has good passing skills and makes quick decisions with the puck. His shot is a bit weak and he is a playmaker. He has pretty good vision and seems to perform well with better players. He plays more like an f2/f3 and is not strong at hounding down pucks. In the one game i saw this year, i thought he was lacksadaisical. He is smart and skilled. He is projected to be a middle six center with pp2 time.

I haven’t seen korshkov this year. I saw him play in 2017. He’s an older prospect, physical. I always thought he was more of a playmaker than a goal scorer. He projects to be a bottom six winger in the nhl, but may stay in the khl. He is currently playing in the khl for the year.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I guess we've got to follow Wichita a little bit now.

LW Kenny Agostino – C Travis Boyd – RW Denis Malgin
LW Nic Petan – C Adam Brooks – RW Joey Anderson
LW Rourke Chartier – C Kalle Kossila – RW Justin Brazeau
LW Hudson Elynuik – C Tyler Gaudet - RW Scott Pooley
LW Rich Clune – C Colt Conrad - RW Scott Sabourin

LD Rasmus Sandin – RD Timothy Liljegren
LD David Warsofsky – RD Calle Rosen
LD Teemu Kivihalme – RD Mac Hollowell
LD Kristians Rubins – RD Joseph Duszak
LD Riley McCourt/LD Sergei Sapego

G Aaron Dell – G Joseph Woll
G Michael Hutchinson/G Ian Scott

Scott, Sapego, and McCourt will likely still be sent somewhere. The Marlies may add a more veteran defenseman they don't mind not playing often (similar to Clune) to be AHL depth, but I imagine they want Sapego and McCourt to play a fair bit given they are pretty young.

I also expect them to still add a couple of forwards.

 

[Fogelhund]

I guess we've got to follow Wichita a little bit now.

LW Kenny Agostino – C Travis Boyd – RW Denis Malgin
LW Nic Petan – C Adam Brooks – RW Joey Anderson
LW Rourke Chartier – C Kalle Kossila – RW Justin Brazeau
LW Hudson Elynuik – C Tyler Gaudet - RW Scott Pooley
LW Rich Clune – C Colt Conrad - RW Scott Sabourin

LD Rasmus Sandin – RD Timothy Liljegren
LD David Warsofsky – RD Calle Rosen
LD Teemu Kivihalme – RD Mac Hollowell
LD Kristians Rubins – RD Joseph Duszak
LD Riley McCourt/LD Sergei Sapego

G Aaron Dell – G Joseph Woll
G Michael Hutchinson/G Ian Scott

Scott, Sapego, and McCourt will likely still be sent somewhere. The Marlies may add a more veteran defenseman they don't mind not playing often (similar to Clune) to be AHL depth, but I imagine they want Sapego and McCourt to play a fair bit given they are pretty young.

I also expect them to still add a couple of forwards.

Under any assumption that the NHL roster + taxi squad is 30 players, a number of those guys won't be Marlies. I would guess that Dell, Sandin, Liljegren, Boyd, Malgin, Petan and Anderson end up being Leafs.

 

[Prominence]

I guess we've got to follow Wichita a little bit now.

LW Kenny Agostino – C Travis Boyd – RW Denis Malgin
LW Nic Petan – C Adam Brooks – RW Joey Anderson
LW Rourke Chartier – C Kalle Kossila – RW Justin Brazeau
LW Hudson Elynuik – C Tyler Gaudet - RW Scott Pooley
LW Rich Clune – C Colt Conrad - RW Scott Sabourin

LD Rasmus Sandin – RD Timothy Liljegren
LD David Warsofsky – RD Calle Rosen
LD Teemu Kivihalme – RD Mac Hollowell
LD Kristians Rubins – RD Joseph Duszak
LD Riley McCourt/LD Sergei Sapego

G Aaron Dell – G Joseph Woll
G Michael Hutchinson/G Ian Scott

Scott, Sapego, and McCourt will likely still be sent somewhere. The Marlies may add a more veteran defenseman they don't mind not playing often (similar to Clune) to be AHL depth, but I imagine they want Sapego and McCourt to play a fair bit given they are pretty young.

I also expect them to still add a couple of forwards.

It says they’re only lending 4 unless this was meant as a a sarcastic post. No way another team’s echl team will ice a lineup consisting of another team’s ahl roster at the expense of development.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Under any assumption that the NHL roster + taxi squad is 30 players, a number of those guys won't be Marlies. I would guess that Dell, Sandin, Liljegren, Boyd, Malgin, Petan and Anderson end up being Leafs.

I imagine the Leafs are still going to want those guys playing, especially the prospects. Malgin, Dell and maybe Boyd and Petan could be, but I expect they are going to be signing some guys to SPCs to fill a taxi squad if that is the case.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

It says they’re only lending 4 unless this was meant as a a sarcastic post. No way another team’s echl team will ice a lineup consisting of another team’s ahl roster at the expense of development.

ECHL teams care about winning, not development. Most guys don't stick on any one ECHL roster for more than a couple of years, so they don't care about development. They care about icing the best players and winning.

Our guys are likely some of their best players, so I expect they will play and likely play often. Even a team that is used for development like the Growlers still ices their best players. It just happens to be that their best players are also young.

 

[Fogelhund]

I imagine the Leafs are still going to want those guys playing, especially the prospects. Malgin, Dell and maybe Boyd and Petan could be, but I expect they are going to be signing some guys to SPCs to fill a taxi squad if that is the case.

Do our guys who are on Loan, count towards our 50 contracts? Will the 50 contracts be enforced with taxi squads? We've got nine guys on loan right now, and while some will come back, I suspect all won't. I believe the Junior guys don't count towards 50 contracts either. There are a number of guys out there, without contracts, who could be very attractive depth options, if you end up being right. Soderberg, Duclair, Brassard, Hainsey, Boyle, Gauthier, Greene could all sign on to be taxi squad guys... though they might have better options...

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Do our guys who are on Loan, count towards our 50 contracts? Will the 50 contracts be enforced with taxi squads? We've got nine guys on loan right now, and while some will come back, I suspect all won't. I believe the Junior guys don't count towards 50 contracts either. There are a number of guys out there, without contracts, who could be very attractive depth options, if you end up being right. Soderberg, Duclair, Brassard, Hainsey, Boyle, Gauthier, Greene could all sign on to be taxi squad guys... though they might have better options...

Yes they still count, as long as you are over 20. Robertson would not count if he is loaned elsewhere.

Out of that list, I think Gauthier is the only one who would consider coming here to be on a taxi squad. All of the others will either get better opportunities elsewhere (Brassard, Soderberg, Duclair) or retire than having to deal with it (Greene, Hainsey, Boyle).

I think the Leafs look at Gauthier, Caggiula, Devin Shore, Bowey, and Mueller if they are looking for guys to sit on the taxi squad. Still young enough with upside to be worthwhile to develop, but still good enough to play in the NHL if needed. If they are not going to be playing much regardless (or have to go to the AHL), then there are not many better places than Toronto to focus on development (Justin Holl case in point). If we are going for some more experienced guys, then Riley Sheahan or Conor Sheary could fit. Or of course they use Boyd, Petan, etc. I am not counting on any of the European guys coming back to North America this year though, especially if they are getting good playing time (Hollowell, Kral, Malgin, Rubins, while SDA and Korshkov already confirmed to not be coming back this year), so that is one thing.

Perlini would also be on that list, but I would want him on the Marlies in the Korshkov role to regain some confidence after a couple of rocky years on some really bad teams. The Marlies need wingers, so he would be a nice fit.

 

[LeafChief]

I guess we've got to follow Wichita a little bit now.

LW Kenny Agostino – C Travis Boyd – RW Denis Malgin
LW Nic Petan – C Adam Brooks – RW Joey Anderson
LW Rourke Chartier – C Kalle Kossila – RW Justin Brazeau
LW Hudson Elynuik – C Tyler Gaudet - RW Scott Pooley
LW Rich Clune – C Colt Conrad - RW Scott Sabourin

LD Rasmus Sandin – RD Timothy Liljegren
LD David Warsofsky – RD Calle Rosen
LD Teemu Kivihalme – RD Mac Hollowell
LD Kristians Rubins – RD Joseph Duszak
LD Riley McCourt/LD Sergei Sapego

G Aaron Dell – G Joseph Woll
G Michael Hutchinson/G Ian Scott

Scott, Sapego, and McCourt will likely still be sent somewhere. The Marlies may add a more veteran defenseman they don't mind not playing often (similar to Clune) to be AHL depth, but I imagine they want Sapego and McCourt to play a fair bit given they are pretty young.

I also expect them to still add a couple of forwards.

Rourke Chartier is an under the radar signing for me. Could be a nothing move but depending on how he bounces back from his injuries, could be a real interesting piece.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Assuming the Leafs sign two forwards for the taxi squad plus Dell and Marincin (which would give them 3 extra forwards, 2 extra defensemen, and an extra goalie), and none of the guys in Europe return to the Marlies, this is what I think the Marlies should look like:

LW Nic Petan – C Travis Boyd – RW Brendan Perlini
LW Kenny Agostino – C Adam Brooks – RW Joey Anderson
LW Rourke Chartier – C Kalle Kossila – RW Justin Brazeau
LW Hudson Elynuik – C Tyler Gaudet - RW Garrett Wilson
LW Riley Woods – C Colt Conrad - RW Scott PooleyLW Rich Clune/RW Scott Sabourin

Sign Perlini to SPC, Wilson and Woods to AHL deals. I was also considering MacMaster, since he is a solid depth scorer with versatility up front, but I think developing younger, two-way players like Conrad, Elynuik, and Woods, or higher upside scorers like Brazeau, would make more sense for next year. Chartier is also there, and he is a better player in most areas, the same age, and has some NHL upside if he can stay healthy.

LD Rasmus Sandin - RD Timothy Liljegren
LD David Warsofsky - RD Calle Rosen
LD Teemu Kivihalme - RD Joseph Duszak
LD Rinat Valiev - RD Luke Martin
LD Sergei Sapego

I was considering a number of options on AHL deals. Right now the Marlies are not a very big nor defensively capable defense, so I settled on Luke Martin, who has some good upside, and Rinat Valiev, who is a familiar choice with experience. I think Riley McCourt should go back to the OHL for his OA year once that season opens up, and Sapego can mainly focus on development and bulking up as the #9 on the Marlies next year.

Greenway and Rasanen can also be internal considerations. It would push them a little bit and they get some local development. However, both are currently playing with Maine and HPK respectively so perhaps they just finish out the season there and the Leafs re-evaluate in the offseason. The Marlies will have a lot of young competition next year (Kral, Hollowell, Hoefenmayer, and McCourt are the bare minimum right now) so getting in the door a year earlier could give them a better shot. Since the Marlies do have some good experience in their lineup already (Duszak is the only one with only one year of pro experience), they can try out a couple of younger guys without experience just like they would with Martin. I am keeping Rindell, Kokkonen, and Niemela in Europe with Hollowell and Kral.

For other external considerations: Ryan Collins and Jeremy Roy. Collins has size, some defensive ability, was a former 3rd round pick, and is only 24, but he lacks offensive upside and likely can't be more than a depth guy. He could be a decent depth option, but the Marlies should either get someone better and more proven (i.e. Valiev), or go for a guy with more upside like Martin or Rasanen. Roy has a ton of upside and I think he fits into the Leafs' style of play extremely well. Much like Chartier, he would be an investment into a former top Sharks prospect who suffered a ton of injuries. However, we don't need more puck moving types right now, or in the foreseeable future.


G Joseph Woll - G Michael Hutchinson

Nothing to do here, except find a place to loan Ian Scott. Maybe sign a veteran like Parker Gahagen to sit in the press box just in case.

 

[Magic Man]

I like that they are leaving SDA and Korshkov in the KHL until they finish their seasons in the KHL. They are performing well and seeing lots of ice time in a world class league. They can come to the Marlies when it's over and continue where they left off. It gives opportunity to those competing with them in North America to see ice time. I think they should do the same with Filip Kral. He's in the top tier Czech league and it's his first of 3 ELC years, he'll be in tough for ice time on the Marlies. Let him finish there and then jump the pond. Likewise, with Filip Hallander. Instead of bottom-6 minutes on the Marlies, let him finish in Sweden and then jump the pond.

Good news about the loans. They found a team that was willing to take on a stack of the bottom tier AHL contracts. The only other one that it makes sense to loan out for sure would be McCourt given it is his first year of his AHL deal. In general they usually start in the ECHL. The rest of the AHL deals may be needed with taxi squads and quarantines.

In terms of potential taxi squads. I'm thinking Boyd/Malgin/Barabanov up front and Marincin/Rosen on D with Dell in goal. Depending on how many there are. They can all handle limited NHL minutes and their development isn't being hampered much because they're essentially older fringe NHL talent anyway. Sandin and Liljegren and company can continue to develop, playing all the time in big situations. It would be a nice cap nod to Barabanov to not send him down, considering he chose to come to Toronto making him a real candidate for the taxi squad.

 

[stickty111]

Some info on SDA's injury from Kloke's article. SDA said he expects to be out 4 weeks, but his KHL stint might have ended. He has been getting video sessions from Greg Moore, which suggests he is going to the Marlies when and if the AHL season gets going.

Also some interesting stuff on Hallander. He says the trade weighed on him which affected his play early on, but lately says he is getting back to his normal self.

Villeanuve says he has let his offense take a back seat by design to get better defensively.

Rindell is surprised how well the production has come, but says his focus is get better defensively.

 

[Johnny97]

 

[stickty111]

Okay that was pretty. Added an assist as well.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Philip the King has been excellent recently

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Some info on SDA's injury from Kloke's article. SDA said he expects to be out 4 weeks, but his KHL stint might have ended. He has been getting video sessions from Greg Moore, which suggests he is going to the Marlies when and if the AHL season gets going.

Also some interesting stuff on Hallander. He says the trade weighed on him which affected his play early on, but lately says he is getting back to his normal self.

Villeanuve says he has let his offense take a back seat by design to get better defensively.

Rindell is surprised how well the production has come, but says his focus is get better defensively.

I don't think that is necessarily the issue or "by design", but rather by necessity... He just won't frame it like that. His partners, usually Jeremie Poirier but occasionally guys like Desroches as well, struggle to defend. So much like Zaitsev when he was with Gardiner, Villeneuve is having to pick up the slack. Can't be doing as much offensively when you can't trust your defenseman to cover you, or you have to constantly cover them.

Also he does not get to touch the puck as much since it is always on Poirier's stick on the back end.

 

[genk]

Okay that was pretty. Added an assist as well.

So... is Kral actually a legit prospect now? Starting to impress.

 

[stickty111]

So... is Kral actually a legit prospect now? Starting to impress.

He was always a legit prospect. Grown every season.