Prospect Info: Marlies & Prospect Discussion

[ULF_55]

Not necessarily as teams can move up or down. Packaging a player and late first to move down isn’t the out of the question

What prospect gets Leafs into the top 10 of the draft?

Maybe Akhtyamov and Cowan?

 

[The Shadow]

What prospect gets Leafs into the top 10 of the draft?

Maybe Akhtyamov and Cowan?

Maybe. Anything can happen. Even someone like Woll if they feel their prospects are legit.

 

[Fogelhund]

CHL vs USA prospects game on TSN4. Man is CHL dominating so far.

 

[WTFMAN99]

We have a late 2nd, it's a good draft...but I wouldn't mind turning Robertson and Holmberg into some extra picks at some point to give Leach a chance to find us some gems.

 

[The Podium]

This thread: “We’ve never had goalie depth like this, it’s refreshing”

Also this thread: “We should trade our goalies”

 

[3headeddragon]

This thread: “We’ve never had goalie depth like this, it’s refreshing”

Also this thread: “We should trade our goalies”

They need to review history........cough( Pogge and Rask) cough

 

[LaPlante94]

This thread: “We’ve never had goalie depth like this, it’s refreshing”

Also this thread: “We should trade our goalies”

Well, looks like we have scouts who can find goalies now, especially overseas, so why not try and upgrade the team or the prospect pool with a team who needs a legit goalie prospect and get a C which we lack in our system. I don't think we should rush it but if Seattle comes to us and offers Wright for Hildeby or AA do we say no? Colorado might be a better example and Ritchie is their best C prospect and I know a lot of people really like Colton so what if they offered 1 of them.

 

[The Podium]

Well, looks like we have scouts who can find goalies now, especially overseas, so why not try and upgrade the team or the prospect pool with a team who needs a legit goalie prospect and get a C which we lack in our system. I don't think we should rush it but if Seattle comes to us and offers Wright for Hildeby or AA do we say no? Colorado might be a better example and Ritchie is their best C prospect and I know a lot of people really like Colton so what if they offered 1 of them.

Goalies hold 0 value when NHL proven, nevermind as prospects. Askarov the #1G prospect since Vasi returned less than you’re suggesting.

 

[LaPlante94]

Goalies hold 0 value when NHL proven, nevermind as prospects. Askarov the #1G prospect since Vasi returned less than you’re suggesting.

He got Nashville a pretty good goalie prospect in return, a pretty good C prospect who was just picked in the 1st round and another 1st round pick. Hildeby and Askarov have very similar numbers in the AHL but Askarov probably gets more just because he was a 1st round pick. Finding good goalies is hard and a lot of good teams get brought down by bad goaltending so I'm sure a few wouldn't mind taking a chance on a legit goalie prospect for a C prospect. Will it happen? I doubt it. I could see a team going after Murray though for the short term and give up a mid round pick which wouldn't be too bad.

 

[TMLAM34]

We have a late 2nd, it's a good draft...but I wouldn't mind turning Robertson and Holmberg into some extra picks at some point to give Leach a chance to find us some gems.

I would hold onto Holmberg a little longer, he’s definitely elevated his game these past couple weeks. Robertson however I’m pretty much done with him, I hope he gets traded when we start getting some bodies back into the lineup. Rather have Grebenkin in the lineup over Robertson.

 

[ToMaLe]

This thread: “We’ve never had goalie depth like this, it’s refreshing”

Also this thread: “We should trade our goalies”

And tonight Peksa gets a shutout in Cincinnati.

 

[Malachi Crunch]

I would hold onto Holmberg a little longer, he’s definitely elevated his game these past couple weeks. Robertson however I’m pretty much done with him, I hope he gets traded when we start getting some bodies back into the lineup. Rather have Grebenkin in the lineup over Robertson.

Same here. Although Grebenkin is still honing his craft, you can see that he makes space for others with his physical play. Always useful. He also has enough offensive chops to keep up with others. I guess the question is whether he's ready, defensively, for a bigger role.

 

[Fogelhund]

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[ULF_55]

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Only if you ever thought it was going to compete with the NFL/NBA/MLB in the USofA.

 

[Leafs1991]

Well, looks like we have scouts who can find goalies now, especially overseas, so why not try and upgrade the team or the prospect pool with a team who needs a legit goalie prospect and get a C which we lack in our system. I don't think we should rush it but if Seattle comes to us and offers Wright for Hildeby or AA do we say no? Colorado might be a better example and Ritchie is their best C prospect and I know a lot of people really like Colton so what if they offered 1 of them.

Yes, you turn down that offer. Wright isn't going to turn into a player. He doesn't seem to be showing as an NHL Player. I'd definitely say no.

He got Nashville a pretty good goalie prospect in return, a pretty good C prospect who was just picked in the 1st round and another 1st round pick. Hildeby and Askarov have very similar numbers in the AHL but Askarov probably gets more just because he was a 1st round pick. Finding good goalies is hard and a lot of good teams get brought down by bad goaltending so I'm sure a few wouldn't mind taking a chance on a legit goalie prospect for a C prospect. Will it happen? I doubt it. I could see a team going after Murray though for the short term and give up a mid round pick which wouldn't be too bad.

The thing is, they're just prospects. They may not even turn out. Better to hold on for now and continue developing.

 

[The Iceman]

OMG
If any GM turned down a Wright for Hilldeby trade they would be fired on the spot.

More like Hildabeast and a 1st+ more

 

[supermann_98]

OMG
If any GM turned down a Wright for Hilldeby trade they would be fired on the spot.

More like Hildabeast and a 1st+ more

Shane Wright is not doing much on a team without a lot of scoring options. I get that he's young but he's also overrated and shown to be immature, in staring down the Habs at the draft and again complaining when he was sent to the AHL.

Not saying I wouldn't trade Hildeby for him, as he's a RH center and we could use that in the pipeline, but adding a 1st or anything more than say Nick Robertson would not be a good deal

 

[The Iceman]

Shane Wright is not doing much on a team without a lot of scoring options. I get that he's young but he's also overrated and shown to be immature, in staring down the Habs at the draft and again complaining when he was sent to the AHL.

Not saying I wouldn't trade Hildeby for him, as he's a RH center and we could use that in the pipeline, but adding a 1st or anything more than say Nick Robertson would not be a good deal

we will disagree on this one....lets check back in 3 years

 

[ULF_55]

we will disagree on this one....lets check back in 3 years

Wright is only 20.

You both could be right, as you say check back in 3 years.

Wright obviously, was overrated, should have stayed in junior. Bending over backwards to get him into the pros before he earned it did him no favors.

As mentioned only 20, 21 in January and this probably should have been his 1st. year attempting the NHL. Did fine in AHL. Kind of like Leafs 2nd. rounder, Robertson, who is good in the AHL, not so much in NHL.

It would be hard to say no to a 4th. overall center. But easy to say no to the 5th. overall in 2019.

 

[Fogelhund]

Wright is only 20.

You both could be right, as you say check back in 3 years.

Wright obviously, was overrated, should have stayed in junior. Bending over backwards to get him into the pros before he earned it did him no favors.

As mentioned only 20, 21 in January and this probably should have been his 1st. year attempting the NHL. Did fine in AHL. Kind of like Leafs 2nd. rounder, Robertson, who is good in the AHL, not so much in NHL.

It would be hard to say no to a 4th. overall center. But easy to say no to the 5th. overall in 2019.

Funny enough, Robertson had 57 points, in 60 games in the AHL. Wright has 53 points, in 67 games. 0.95 to 0.76...

I'm not making any argument that Robertson is better, but even at the AHL level, Wright hasn't excelled at the level you'd expect given his draft pedigree. You'd kind of hope for PPG from him.

Nylander was 1.03 PPG

Wright is a funny one. There is nothing about his game that stands out at all. When I watched his OHL games, you mostly wouldn't notice him, and he'd be all over the score sheet... it was strange. He's a guy who I thought might eventually be a good 2C replacement, but I had honestly expected a better start from him, than he's had so far. Small sample, but three points in the last two games though... maybe he's starting to find some confidence?

I think eventually his game will come around, though I'm not sure what that upside is going to look like. I'd have no issue sending a 2026 1st rounder for him... we aren't likely to get a better player late in the first round anyway, so it's not like we are trading for an expiring UFA vet we aren't going to resign... years of control, and worth the gamble. Also, even if we hit on a 20 something pick overall from 2026, that player likely doesn't help us until 2028/29 if we get really lucky, or maybe 2029/30... we are a compete now team. Wright can play in the NHL now, and likely starts to improve as the year goes along, and only gets better from there.

Now, I can't think of why Seattle would want to move on from him already.

 

[Stephen]

Well, looks like we have scouts who can find goalies now, especially overseas, so why not try and upgrade the team or the prospect pool with a team who needs a legit goalie prospect and get a C which we lack in our system. I don't think we should rush it but if Seattle comes to us and offers Wright for Hildeby or AA do we say no? Colorado might be a better example and Ritchie is their best C prospect and I know a lot of people really like Colton so what if they offered 1 of them.

Most sane franchises don't trade potential bluechip assets while they're still priced as penny stocks. That's Fan 590/Toronto Sun think.

 

[Stephen]

Funny enough, Robertson had 57 points, in 60 games in the AHL. Wright has 53 points, in 67 games. 0.95 to 0.76...

I'm not making any argument that Robertson is better, but even at the AHL level, Wright hasn't excelled at the level you'd expect given his draft pedigree. You'd kind of hope for PPG from him.

Nylander was 1.03 PPG

Wright is a funny one. There is nothing about his game that stands out at all. When I watched his OHL games, you mostly wouldn't notice him, and he'd be all over the score sheet... it was strange. He's a guy who I thought might eventually be a good 2C replacement, but I had honestly expected a better start from him, than he's had so far. Small sample, but three points in the last two games though... maybe he's starting to find some confidence?

I think eventually his game will come around, though I'm not sure what that upside is going to look like. I'd have no issue sending a 2026 1st rounder for him... we aren't likely to get a better player late in the first round anyway, so it's not like we are trading for an expiring UFA vet we aren't going to resign... years of control, and worth the gamble. Also, even if we hit on a 20 something pick overall from 2026, that player likely doesn't help us until 2028/29 if we get really lucky, or maybe 2029/30... we are a compete now team. Wright can play in the NHL now, and likely starts to improve as the year goes along, and only gets better from there.

Now, I can't think of why Seattle would want to move on from him already.

Shane Wright has been underachieving for years now. Seems like whatever he does is not going to match the hype he had when he was 17 and can't be viewed as a normal prospect.

That said, knowing what we know of how Robertson plays, I'd be more comfortable with Wright's play style and be more assured that his AHL production could translate somewhat at the NHL level.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Shane Wright has been underachieving for years now. Seems like whatever he does is not going to match the hype he had when he was 17 and can't be viewed as a normal prospect.

That said, knowing what we know of how Robertson plays, I'd be more comfortable with Wright's play style and be more assured that his AHL production could translate somewhat at the NHL level.

Centres, and even right handed centres are hard to find...I don't think he's Angelo Esposito but definitely seems like he won't be able to live up to that draft slot.

 

[Stephen]

Centres, and even right handed centres are hard to find...I don't think he's Angelo Esposito but definitely seems like he won't be able to live up to that draft slot.

I could see him having the career arc of another highly rated Kingston Frontenacs center prospect, drafted 4th overall. Sam Bennett.

Not necessarily the same kind of snarl and personality, but by the time it clicks and he's a seasoned pro, he might be in his mid 20s, kind of a 2nd liner tops, come with some intangibles.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I could see him having the career arc of another highly rated Kingston Frontenacs center prospect, drafted 4th overall. Sam Bennett.

Not necessarily the same kind of snarl and personality, but by the time it clicks and he's a seasoned pro, he might be in his mid 20s, kind of a 2nd liner tops, come with some intangibles.

I think one thing with Bennett was he was a prick but the skill/offense was slow going.

Wright is a nice kid...so he'd need to become "good" / average offensively and really good defensively or elite to carve a role I think.