Prospect Info: Marlies & Prospect Discussion

Stringer Bell

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You could do that for any team, list off their late round picks that arnt looking promising. You conveniently left out guys like Niemela, Grebyonkin, Cowan, Minten, Chadwick, Hildeby.
I understand what you're saying. But I'm not sure you understand what I am. My point is that they aren't even able to fool us with point progression that makes it even mildly interesting to follow.
 

JEI

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Can anyone with eyes on them explain Miettinen and Ovchinnikov's Cy Young seasons?
Are they getting unlucky on the assist front, or lucky on the goal front?

If either was piling up assists at their usual rate (relative to goals) we'd be talking about them very differently, very impressive goal numbers being overshadowed by med point totals.

Only a handful sample that I've been able to catch but Ovchinnikov when I watch him seems high risk high reward. Good skill set, questionable decisions at times. Product of a high shooting percentage ..think he was floating around 50% or something absurd at the time. For comparison, Robertson in the AHL was in the mid-high teens.
 

AlienWorkShop

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Was going through the hockeydb stats of all of our prospects. Man are we thin. We're even thin on middling to dark horse prospects who you could hold out hope for. Russian players like Kizimov and Kara who were most likely never going to come over but who were interesting to stat follow just in case have taken multiple steps back. Holmberg whose ceiling is low but floor was considered high showed flashes last year that he hasn't this year. SDA started strong, but really slowed down.

A player like Joe Miller had an...okay stat line last year but this year it's no better. Miettinen had a real solid freshman year and all 3 years since then haven't looked much different. Haven't heard much about Villeneuve this year - would have thought his play this year would tell us he's knocking on the door for an injury call up.

Can Voit handle pro physical hockey?

You would hope someone like Lisowsky is knocking on 100 points as an overeager, just to tell you that they're good enough to move into pro.

Moldenhauer is in what should be is software year, he's 9th or 10th in scoring.

Don't get me wrong - these guys were always going to be long shots. But usually you can retain some dark horse hope for a lot longer when they fool you with impressive stats from simply getting older in a league that they outgrow.

Am I the only one who feels this way?
- Kizimov and Kara... c'mon. SDA's probably a write-off at this point too.

- Funny you mention Holmberg not showing flashes before last night haha. Think it's more a matter of limited opportunity this year than him falling off. He has scored at a better pace in the AHL (including 6 goals in 11 games).

- Agreed that Voit's physicality is a concern, even more so after needing season-ending surgery after one AHL game, but still an interesting prospect. (Similarly disappointing that Hirvonen's missed time through injury, but let's see how his second half goes)

- Miller's production looks disappointing (and he's also relatively old for a sophomore at 21, so he needs to show elite production soon), but worth keeping in mind Harvard lost a ton of players this year and are awful: overall record of 1-9-3 and scoring 2 goals/game vs a record of 24-8-2 last year and 3.7 goals/game last year. Miller's leading a sad bunch with 10 points in 13 games.

- Lisowsky's point pace has marginally improved, but he's only a 7th rounder. Hopefully he clicks with Minten...

- Miettinen's probably a write-off, but his production has been steady.

- Generally hear good things about Villeneuve's steady development. Sounds like he's been trying to transition from offence-only in junior to a more defensively responsible game. Plus he has size.

- Noted on Moldenhauer's age, but a mid-round freshman on the 3rd line of a Michigan team with top-6 full of sophomore+ NHL picks doesn't surprise me. 9 points in 18 games ain't terrible.

- All late rounders/UFA pick-ups, but not much to see from Fusco or Schingoethe. Kressler's over a point per game as an overager, but hard to project much there.

- Others: Koster's at 7 points in 14 games after missing the start of the year through injury; not bad. Abruzzese's point pace has improved. Ovchinnikov finally showing some flashes. Tverberg seems to be doing alright. Kokkonen's progressed. I like Rifai. Malinsoki doing ok as a freshman. Not sure what to make of Akhtyamov after finally putting up some decent KHL numbers but seemingly back in the minors. Terrible numbers from Peksa so far, but no rush there.
 
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3headeddragon

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- Kizimov and Kara... c'mon. SDA's probably a write-off at this point too.

- Funny you mention Holmberg not showing flashes before last night haha. Think it's more a matter of limited opportunity this year than him falling off. He has scored at a better pace in the AHL (including 6 goals in 11 games).

- Agreed that Voit's physicality is a concern, even more so after needing season-ending surgery after one AHL game, but still an interesting prospect. (Similarly disappointing that Hirvonen's missed time through injury, but let's see how his second half goes)

- Miller's production looks disappointing (and he's also relatively old for a sophomore at 21, so he needs to show elite production soon), but worth keeping in mind Harvard lost a ton of players this year and are awful: overall record of 1-9-3 and scoring 2 goals/game vs a record of 24-8-2 last year and 3.7 goals/game last year. Miller's leading a sad bunch with 10 points in 13 games.

- Lisowsky's point pace has marginally improved, but he's only a 7th rounder. Hopefully he clicks with Minten...

- Miettinen's probably a write-off, but his production has been steady.

- Generally hear good things about Villeneuve's steady development. Sounds like he's been trying to transition from offence-only in junior to a more defensively responsible game. Plus he has size.

- Noted on Moldenhauer's age, but a mid-round freshman on the 3rd line of a Michigan team with top-6 full of sophomore+ NHL picks doesn't surprise me. 9 points in 18 games ain't terrible.

- All late rounders/UFA pick-ups, but not much to see from Fusco or Schingoethe. Kressler's over a point per game as an overager, but hard to project much there.

- Otheres: Koster's at 7 points in 14 games after missing the start of the year through injury; not bad. Abruzzese's point pace has improved. Ovchinnikov finally showing some flashes. Tverberg seems to be doing alright. Kokkonen's progressed. I like Rifai. Malinsoki doing ok as a freshman. Not sure what to make of with Akhtyamov after finally putting up some decent KHL numbers but seemingly back in the minors. Terrible numbers from Peksa so far, but no rush there.
You're probably right on Miettinen but I'd be having a meeting with him and his representatives before I write him off. If he has a good work ethic and willingness to learn I'd risk a contract spot for few years of development.
 
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Canada4Gold

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While Lisowsky hasn't really shown the progression I'd hope and I suspect he doesn't get a contract he's not an overager. 19 year old.
 

cyris

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So what happens with Kieffer Bellows now?
He has played 24 of his 25 games possible on his PTO.
I’m not convinced that he has finally figured it out out of nowhere at 25 but I don’t think you can ignore what he has done either.

If he is given an NHL contract he would have to clear waivers to continue with the Marlies which may not be a problem because any team that would claim him on waivers could sign him right now if they wanted.
He could be offered an AHL deal like Ho-Sang was given but he may not want to do that pretty much giving up any hope of playing in the NHL this year.

And interesting situation which will have to be worked out at some point in the next week.
 

VanW27

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So what happens with Kieffer Bellows now?
He has played 24 of his 25 games possible on his PTO.
I’m not convinced that he has finally figured it out out of nowhere at 25 but I don’t think you can ignore what he has done either.

If he is given an NHL contract he would have to clear waivers to continue with the Marlies which may not be a problem because any team that would claim him on waivers could sign him right now if they wanted.
He could be offered an AHL deal like Ho-Sang was given but he may not want to do that pretty much giving up any hope of playing in the NHL this year.

And interesting situation which will have to be worked out at some point in the next week.
Can't imagine they will just cut him loose at this point considering what he's done with the Marlies.

You're right though, will be interesting to see if they give him an AHL or NHL deal. A generous AHL deal might be best for everyone. He's missed some development time in his early pro career between Covid year and the Isles stashing him in the press box for 2/3 of a season because they didn't have a spot for him but also didn't want to lose him on waivers. Let him have some consistency and play a full season in the AHL to work on his game.
 

cyris

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Can't imagine they will just cut him loose at this point considering what he's done with the Marlies.

You're right though, will be interesting to see if they give him an AHL or NHL deal. A generous AHL deal might be best for everyone. He's missed some development time in his early pro career between Covid year and the Isles stashing him in the press box for 2/3 of a season because they didn't have a spot for him but also didn't want to lose him on waivers. Let him have some consistency and play a full season in the AHL to work on his game.
I might try to give him an NHL deal and then waive him to play for the Marlies. Gives him more insensitive to sign and if he keeps playing at this level he deserves an NHL shot too.
The Leafs are at 47 contracts so they have room and contract spots are easy enough to open up if we need to later.

It might be a bit of a risk to waive him but like I said earlier he isn’t Leaf property right now. Any other team that wants him could sign him already so he should clear.
 

Kiwi

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Love that all star duo of two guys who lit the AHL up this year, but were not given any NHL time when they got called up for some reason

Keefe doesn't trust easily

I thought he'd be a good coach for young developing players from his time in the Marlies but you have to play ******* well with zero drop-off for Keefe to want to send you over the boards
 

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