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hullsy47 said:
He would've had to have a camp of camps
Berube likes his vets
London is off to avg start. Alot of talent waiting for the wjc to happen
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I wasn't referring to him making the NHL this year.
More that it is too bad he couldn't have a promotion to the AHL.

But then he wouldn't be chasing the all-time point streak in the CHL.
 
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Fogelhund said:
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It doesn't help us this year, but 19 year olds in the AHL might be in the future.
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Between this and NCAA eligibility for CHL players, this could drastically change the CHL landscape
Do they react and increase the import and overage limits? Or do they go in the direction and invest a little more into the Canadian minor-junior system? Or simply increase benefits and incentives for players to stay in the CHL?
 
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uncleben said:
Between this and NCAA eligibility for CHL players, this could drastically change the CHL landscape
Do they react and increase the import and overage limits? Or do they go in the direction and invest a little more into the Canadian minor-junior system? Or simply increase benefits and incentives for players to stay in the CHL?
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I would guess that it's going to be exceptional status for AHL, not a blanket. First rounders, apply for exception type of thing... the numbers aren't going to be large enough to drastically change CHL numbers... at least IMO.

The NCAA may draw more overagers... that much is for sure. I'm not sure that is a bad thing. These will mostly be undrafted players, so I'm not sure what the numbers are.
 
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uncleben said:
Between this and NCAA eligibility for CHL players, this could drastically change the CHL landscape
Do they react and increase the import and overage limits? Or do they go in the direction and invest a little more into the Canadian minor-junior system? Or simply increase benefits and incentives for players to stay in the CHL?
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The sweatshop conditions of minor hockey are about to intensify, and if our labour unions won’t help them, who will?
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Well, NCAA may just be the ticket they needed a dozen years ago?
 
1specter said:
My understanding is that he is at C, the London Knights posted a lineup chart on their Twitter yesterday and it showed Cowan centering Jacob Julien and Cohen Bidgood. It is confusing though as Julien is listed as a C everywhere and played C last year, so I'm not sure if him and Cowan are taking turns rotating. Perhaps someone who actively watches the Knights can clarify this.
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FOs are on the OHL stat sheet. Cowan is 5th on the club in faceoffs taken by quite a margin. 31 draws to Julien's 140. Even if he played all 9 games he would still be 5th so it doesn't seem like he is being used as C except when the other guy is tossed.
 
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uncleben said:
Between this and NCAA eligibility for CHL players, this could drastically change the CHL landscape
Do they react and increase the import and overage limits? Or do they go in the direction and invest a little more into the Canadian minor-junior system? Or simply increase benefits and incentives for players to stay in the CHL?
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Would they have the money to compete against a professional men's league or the largest colleges?

My guess is they'll recognize top end talent will be syphoned away earlier. The correct adjustment would be to invest more in the minor leagues. Use them as a source of growth to expand into new markets and opportunities.

Otherwise they're just gonna lose all their good players for no return first chance any of them get.
 
nuck said:
FOs are on the OHL stat sheet. Cowan is 5th on the club in faceoffs taken by quite a margin. 31 draws to Julien's 140. Even if he played all 9 games he would still be 5th so it doesn't seem like he is being used as C except when the other guy is tossed.
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Good point and thanks for that. That's too bad, I was hoping that'd be a new challenge for him.
 
TMLBlueandWhite said:
Would they have the money to compete against a professional men's league or the largest colleges?

My guess is they'll recognize top end talent will be syphoned away earlier. The correct adjustment would be to invest more in the minor leagues. Use them as a source of growth to expand into new markets and opportunities.

Otherwise they're just gonna lose all their good players for no return first chance any of them get.
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On a slightly different viewing ... could the NCAA lose their younger players?
Why go to NCAA to sit on the bench (redshirt) unless your goal is the education, and not the path to the pros?
Could the minor junior leagues lose out because some of those players (Makar) could join a Major junior team and not forfeit NCAA eligibility?
Players at 19 in AHL could also impact both NCAA and Junior leagues.

A changing landscape across North America?
 
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ULF_55 said:
On a slightly different viewing ... could the NCAA lose their younger players?
Why go to NCAA to sit on the bench (redshirt) unless your goal is the education, and not the path to the pros?
Could the minor junior leagues lose out because some of those players (Makar) could join a Major junior team and not forfeit NCAA eligibility?
Players at 19 in AHL could also impact both NCAA and Junior leagues.

A changing landscape across North America?
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I can definitely see Junior A clubs losing some talent along with USHL. These leagues benefit from being the springboard to College but guys like Celebrini and Fantilli must have known they were going to go pro after the draft so did they really want that 1 year of the College experience or were they just actively avoiding the Major Junior grind? What is the lure of the Chicago Steel to Canadian kids?
 
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ULF_55 said:
On a slightly different viewing ... could the NCAA lose their younger players?
Why go to NCAA to sit on the bench (redshirt) unless your goal is the education, and not the path to the pros?
Could the minor junior leagues lose out because some of those players (Makar) could join a Major junior team and not forfeit NCAA eligibility?
Players at 19 in AHL could also impact both NCAA and Junior leagues.

A changing landscape across North America?
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It's probably best if they just let the kids go freely between all markets so they can go to where ever works best for them at any given moment.

Teenagers are a lot more mobile these days and plans change rapidly. The goal is to to give these kids the opportunity to do the best they can in whatever endeavour they chose. Maybe it would attract more players too if they knew it didn't have to come down to a hockey or school decision if they can feasibly do both.

Restrictions on any market will restrict it from growing... that's why they're called restrictions.
 
TMLBlueandWhite said:
It's probably best if they just let the kids go freely between all markets so they can go to where ever works best for them at any given moment.

Teenagers are a lot more mobile these days and plans change rapidly. The goal is to to give these kids the opportunity to do the best they can in whatever endeavour they chose. Maybe it would attract more players too if they knew it didn't have to come down to a hockey or school decision if they can feasibly do both.

Restrictions on any market will restrict it from growing... that's why they're called restrictions.
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Does usually depend on who has the coin.

Hope the changes go through.

Will add more interest to non-NHL leagues.
 
nuck said:
I can definitely see Junior A clubs losing some talent along with USHL. These leagues benefit from being the springboard to College but guys like Celebrini and Fantilli must have known they were going to go pro after the draft so did they really want that 1 year of the College experience or were they just actively avoiding the Major Junior grind? What is the lure of the Chicago Steel to Canadian kids?
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I can't speak for them, but the Steels are apparently a Knights or Knights+ level organization, that they were able to choose through the USHL tender process. CHL has a draft, and not all organizations are equal.
 
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AHL @ 19 is a double edge sword.

Might be good for Cowans development, but is it good development for a guy like Danford who's no longer going up against the top end talent night in, night out.

IMO, it's fine the way it is.
 
Isaac Nootin said:
AHL @ 19 is a double edge sword.

Might be good for Cowans development, but is it good development for a guy like Danford who's no longer going up against the top end talent night in, night out.

IMO, it's fine the way it is.
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The entire purpose of this is that one size does not fit all. You offer teams the choice to develop players the way they want, rather than forcing a situation based on age/base league. If you feel Cowan is ready for the AHL, but Danford isn't then Cowan goes to the AHL and Sanford goes back to junior.

Give teams and players more choice to make personalized decisions, it isn't one absolute or the other.
 
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dangomon said:
The entire purpose of this is that one size does not fit all. You offer teams the choice to develop players the way they want, rather than forcing a situation based on age/base league. If you feel Cowan is ready for the AHL, but Danford isn't then Cowan goes to the AHL and Sanford goes back to junior.

Give teams and players more choice to make personalized decisions, it isn't one absolute or the other.
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What I'm trying to say is, is it good for Danfords development (who's not AHL eligible) this year if the Cowan type players are no longer in the OHL.
 
With the CHL and NCAA agreement that just happened the CHL is gonna be filled with more talent throughout all 3 leagues instead of those players going to play in the USHL.

Edit: Idk why the post I was replying to didn't show up but that was for Isaac Nootin
 
Isaac Nootin said:
What I'm trying to say is, is it good for Danfords development (who's not AHL eligible) this year if the Cowan type players are no longer in the OHL.
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Yes, it is. Having this option can only lead to the better development of all players. If Cowan is in the AHL, that now makes a spot available for another player to get 1st lines minutes.

I don't think Cowan leaving for the AHL would have a significant impact on Danfords development. If you think Danford isn't good enough for the AHL then he should be against OHL players. Cowan going up to the AHL means he is now an AHL, thus Danford is still playing against the best players.
 
I doubt you will see a blanket approval of any 19 year old player being allowed to go to the AHL. If it happens it might be some kind of exceptional rule or something. But if you don't think teams pulling their top 19 year old players out of the CHL early wouldn't have an impact on the quality of competition both for the drafted players left behind and the younger players to be drafted you are fooling yourself. It would lower the quality of play in the CHL.
 
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TheBeastCoast said:
I doubt you will see a blanket approval of any 19 year old player being allowed to go to the AHL. If it happens it might be some kind of exceptional rule or something. But if you don't think teams pulling their top 19 year old players out of the CHL early wouldn't have an impact on the quality of competition both for the drafted players left behind and the younger players to be drafted you are fooling yourself. It would lower the quality of play in the CHL.
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I can see that, but perhaps players that would have gone to NCAA directly will go to CHL and then to NCAA.

Additionally, it may enable the best prospects a better development path if they have to be better as they are playing against professional men hockey players. Like you see in European leagues where they can go up and down between boys and men's leagues during the season.
 
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