Tkachuk Norris
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Value of: Markstrom and Mangiapane
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Late 24 first or protected 25 first for markstrom with maybe a fluff piece of negligible value.
Mangiapine strikes me as a dude you'll get better value for at the deadline. Maybe a third? I'm thinking something around a roslovic type return? Maybe a little better
Mangiapine strikes me as a dude you'll get better value for at the deadline. Maybe a third? I'm thinking something around a roslovic type return? Maybe a little better
Ledge And Dairy
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Mange won't be moved until around the deadline. Too many wingers on the market as of right now
Agreed. I don't think anyone takes him for free unless we retained this offseason. We can probably get a 2nd or 3rd for him at the TDL.
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We will get more than that at the deadline. Hell even someone as lazy as Mantha got more. Players tend to step up their games in contract years, I expect Mange to be the same
Maybe, who knows? Guentzel didn't bring much. Not even a draft pick, just 3 B prospects and a cap dump. Tarasenko went for a 3rd and 4th. Beauvillier is probably the closest comparable. He went for a 5th. I don't think Mang can really be compared to a guy who is either invisible completely or a goal scoring power forward like Mantha.
Ledge And Dairy
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Both of those players had at least some level of control on their destinations. Dubas is/was really high on Bunting too.
That is about what we'd be looking for. This trade would make alot of sense.
But I'm curious as to why you'd do that when in the other thread you think he sucks?
I never seen anything confirming what the trade actually was.
I have a hard time believing it was 1 for 1. Holtz & a pick more likely.
Didn’t Guentzel also return a 2nd round pick? Also, I would not call Bunting a cap dump. He had 19 points in 21 games for the Pens.
Mangi I think would have to wait for the deadline as his salary is a little high likely for most teams.
Sharongovich could be the better bait.
Sharongovich could be the better bait.
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I said he is not in the tier of goalie we were talking about like Saros, Helle, Igor, Otter, etc. The goalies who are elite year in and out.
I think Markstrom is in a comparative tier to a guy like Freddy Andersen so that reflects what I am willing to pay. Those other goalies we were talking trading Marner
Sorry yes, he did receive a 2nd rounder because the 1st was conditional and became a 2nd. I missed that.
Whatever the cost of retention is on however much calgary is willing to retain.
18 million dollars for 1 year of Mangiapane and age 35 and 36 markstrom. Not exactly any bargain here
18 million dollars for 1 year of Mangiapane and age 35 and 36 markstrom. Not exactly any bargain here
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Comparable to the Andersson that played for the Leafs, yes.
Markstrom has been quite clearly the better goalie over the past few years.
Not really a bargain, but not terrible either. Markstrom with no retention for Tor 23rd is fair.
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That's what I meant. He was good enough to carry the team at times when they struggled but ultimately was a clear tier below the Rasks, Vasi's, etc you ran into in the Atlantic.
So my point was what I would be willing to pay reflects that belief. Just because we need a goalie and have 100 bucks to buy one doesn't mean I need to spend the 100 if I find a 50 dollar goalie.
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I think we all know that there will be an extensive market for Markstrom. Mangiapane will have interest as well, but I wonder if teams would see him more as the guy who scored 35 a couple of years back, or as a 15 - 20+ goal guy. I think the market for Mangiapane could be interesting. You'd think that a team who is looking for a shooter for their playmaking C would take a long, hard look at him.
I think the other poster means that Bunting's production after the trade has no relevance to his value before the trade. It seems to me that Bunting wasn't included in the deal for his value as a player, but to balance out salaries, so I don't think you could use him as a comparable here at all, as I don't think Mangiapane is a cap dump.
Retain 50% on mangi and just get the highest pick you can get at the draft, need to make roster room for next yr. One of coronato or pelltier is already only gettinf 4th line mins even with mangi gone.
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This was going to be my comment. Mangi at $5.8mil is market value. When he's playing his absolute best, you're getting a $5.8mil player. I wouldn't say there's a bunch of "extra value" in his deal. The TDL would be ideal, because I do believe you need to retain the 50% for it to be an enticing trade. But if you have a guy like Coronato, Pelltier, or Zary (even though Zary seems more like a staple now), then you have the ability to offset that retention all year and make moving him early a little more palatable.
You could even then get a player + pick back and move the player at a future date. For example (just using Penguins as the example), you do Mangi for Smith + 3rd. Then you move Smith at the TDL for an additional pick/prospect. I think that would be a good asset management move if the goal is to maximize return and the playoffs isn't the top priority
Has he been better than andersen the last few years?
Healthier, sure. But better?
Markstrom has a worse GSAx in 70 more games, a SV% 10 points lower, and let's in half a goal more per game
