I like the asset management thinking and getting a player to be swapped later, but the whole idea around moving Mangi is to open a spot for JP/Coronato. So taking back an extra player doesn't make sense in this case.
Yes
Based on what evidence?
Can't claim Anderson was better when he only played 16 games lastyear.
Freddy andersen was 4th place in vezina voting in 21-22 and won the jennings so yes. I am saying andersen was better that year yes.
In what world is 4th better than 2nd?
I think they keep Sharongovich. Guys like him are too tough to find and get. That said, I think there would be massive interest. I could easily see a 1st going out for him. Especially if it's a high first, I think plenty of teams would be willing to do a late 1st + high-end prospect.
I don't think many people are going to buy that Andersen is better than Markstrom. Andersen had the benefit of playing on a significantly better team than Markstrom. Looking at those stats, I'm okay with a .905 sv% if you're getting 50 starts from him (and the team was Calgary).
I mean you're making some reasonable statistical arguments. Let me ask you this:
I would pay more for Markstrom than for Andersen yes.
Are we going to pretend that Calgary's dcore in any year except post deadline 2024 was bad?
The D corps was very solid for those seasons except for the end of 2024 after the TDL. The player deployment under Sutter was certainly questionable. The system under Huska is certainly questionable.
Sharangovich and Mangiapane are cut from the same thread. It's really as simple as yegor has better synergy with Huberdeau than Mange and can fill in at center. Besides that I would give Mange the better 5v5 defensive play but that's about it. Sharangovich is going to get ~6M on his next deal too, what's enticing with trading Sharangovich now is his current 3M cap hit plus coming off a strong season
Interesting insight, thanks.
It depends on the offer, as well as what he would be looking for on his next deal. Flames won't be near the cap ceiling for a couple years so it's more about staying above the floor. Sharangovich being 2 years younger than Mange makes him more appealing to keep around, but neither really fits our timeline great. Especially since most of our top prospects are wingers projected for the 2nd and 3rd line (Coronato, Pelletier, Honzek, Suniev, etc).
Fair but timelines are all relevant. Teams still need decent players to surround those kids with.
No arguments on that but I think Backlund, Coleman, Kadri, and Huberdeau all fill that role decently enough. I'm not saying he will be traded or should be traded, just that the option should absolutely be explored
Yeah, I mean if they can get a haul for him, I say do it because I agree - I don't think this is Calgary's "time". At the same time, as we all kinda know, the roster as constructed is so odd. Tough to know which direction to go in. You could squeeze in as the WC2 just as easily as finishing last. Penguins are in the same boat.
I’m sure the fans would welcome a real rebuild but owners typically have to be dragged kicking and screaming into them. Sending him out now for a pick is pretty much punting on the season unless Wolf hits immediately. Maybe he does he’s certainly got that potential but I think the safer play is to keep both and hope Wolf makes Markstrom expendable by the TDL. Right now would be a difficult sell to ownership and season ticket holders .
The direction is pretty clear to me. They have 2 options, suck until 2030 or try and do a fast turnaround like Dallas and LA did, for like a 3 year window before sucking again until 2030
Agreed. Asset management is the name of the game to speed up the rebuild in a proper way. You don't move Huberdeau because it costs assets. I think Weegar and Backlund are the right guys to keep to build culture. You try to maximize guys like Sharangovich, Kuzmenko, Andersson, Mangiapane, Kadri and Markstrom. Coleman I could go either way with, but if you're moving him do it now.
Not saying I want to trade #23 for Markstrom, but if we are doing it, I'd rather do Jarnkrok or Kämpf + #23 and open up a small amount of cap for Leafs to work with this summer. Flames probably say no to Kämpf which is fine.
Mangiapane I'd want a 2nd for at 50%. No interest in the 2 cap dumps. If you want to dump both and keep your pick Easton Cowan is a nice name.
Leafs would give the 2nd or just not make the trade. Cowan is projected to be a Knies level asset for us ("only trade if a foolish team overpays, absolutely do not trade for fair value, future core piece").
A 10 year rebuild is always a failed rebuild (or more than one failed rebuild). That means the player you drafted at the start is now a vet on the decline. Now where you want to be. A 3-5 year rebuild is a rebuild done properly.
