Player Discussion Mark "Vigilante” Borowiecki

[solidprospect]

Here is one small chart example showing our best D 5 on 5 offense vs def last season compared to the Hawks:

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Chabot or others might be better one day but right now Boro is a good choice. Ceci on the other hand...

And compared to the Leafs:

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[Micklebot]

Stats and facts, comparisons to other d in the league. Not simply an eye test or he's not good , trust me.

Well, statistically, he's terrible offensively, not sure I need to dig up the data, but probably can if you want. Defensive metrics are notoriously unreliable in hockey, so not sure there's much value in going there.

 

[Micklebot]

Here is one small chart example showing our best D 5 on 5 offense vs def last season compared to the Hawks:

Tableau Public

Chabot or others might be better one day but right now Boro is a good choice. Ceci on the other hand...

And compared to the Leafs:

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Huh, so Connor Murphy is almost as much of a stud defensively as Karlsson is offensively based on that table. Seems plausible.

 

[solidprospect]

Huh, so Connor Murphy is almost as much of a stud defensively as Karlsson is offensively based on that table. Seems plausible.

Yeah he's really good on a decent contract until 2022-2023, out for a month or so from injury. Osterle was an ok defenceman as well.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Here is one small chart example showing our best D 5 on 5 offense vs def last season compared to the Hawks:

Tableau Public

Chabot or others might be better one day but right now Boro is a good choice. Ceci on the other hand...

And compared to the Leafs:

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So Claesson is a good margin better than Boro.

 

[slamigo]

you dont understand hockey. Look at all the open space Boro gave up to commit to defending a 2 on 1 where the 2nd player is still at center ice. Note also the two ottawa senator sticks indicating how close they are to the rushing forwards.

You’re proving my point and it shows that you probably don’t actually play hockey. Once you have position on someone and they are three feet behind you, that’s all the space you need. Three feet might as well be thirty feet. The only thing that Sen player can do is hook or slash the Hawk player’s pants. Lol
I don’t even think Boro is a good player but on that one play, he did the best he could. Andy should have that.
I would continue debating this but you’re probably a 12 year old kid out trolling the internets.

 

[JungleBeat]

Borowiecki did nothing on that play. He can’t read a play to save his life.

 

[BondraTime]

Sure,now you're asking for proof. lol

Yes, to emphasize how stupid it sounds....

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

You’re proving my point and it shows that you probably don’t actually play hockey. Once you have position on someone and they are three feet behind you, that’s all the space you need. Three feet might as well be thirty feet. The only thing that Sen player can do is hook or slash the Hawk player’s pants. Lol
I don’t even think Boro is a good player but on that one play, he did the best he could. Andy should have that.
I would continue debating this but you’re probably a 12 year old kid out trolling the internets.

Boro could have played that so much better than he did. He left Toews too much room whether Anderson should have had the shot or not.

 

[solidprospect]

So Claesson is a good margin better than Boro.

Yeah Claesson stands out a bit on the chart, however how many times was he playing against the top 2 lines vs other teams 3rd and 4ths.

 

[slamigo]

Boro could have played that so much better than he did. He left Toews too much room whether Anderson should have had the shot or not.

I dunno. He has a split second to make a decision and from his viewpoint it’s a 3 on 1. It’s bizarre that I’m defending Boro because I’d be doing cartwheels if the team replaced him. But I personally don’t feel he was the problem on that play. Ceci and White created that mess and Andy has to be better. But also, it’s Toews and he’s an elite player.
You can certainly blame Boro for a lot of things but I think it’s unfair to blame him on that goal.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I dunno. He has a split second to make a decision and from his viewpoint it’s a 3 on 1. It’s bizarre that I’m defending Boro because I’d be doing cartwheels if the team replaced him. But I personally don’t feel he was the problem on that play. Ceci and White created that mess and Andy has to be better. But also, it’s Toews and he’s an elite player.
You can certainly blame Boro for a lot of things but I think it’s unfair to blame him on that goal.

He had a split second initially ; where it looks like he was behind the eight ball early, then he had more than a second or two...to close the gap; he would have had to turn but only to close.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

You’re proving my point and it shows that you probably don’t actually play hockey. Once you have position on someone and they are three feet behind you, that’s all the space you need. Three feet might as well be thirty feet. The only thing that Sen player can do is hook or slash the Hawk player’s pants. Lol
I don’t even think Boro is a good player but on that one play, he did the best he could. Andy should have that.
I would continue debating this but you’re probably a 12 year old kid out trolling the internets.

because no player has ever caught another player before? not only that none of the players were fast enough to even make it a 2 on 1. not even close

this is a pic slightly after the shot. the puck is already in the net. at what point ever did toews have an option to make a pass? it was a phantom 2 on 1 that boro was defending. also Ceci bust his ass coming back and actually made it before the hawks player. that stick you see on the far right is cecis.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

pic of Ceci coming into the frame first, there was never a pass. Boro was defending no one while watching Toews stroll in on a breakaway.

One of the keys to being a good hockey player is having your head on a swivel. Boro doesn't look around at all. He's constantly playing the game with tunnel vision. he just doesn't think or process the game at all.

 

[Adele Dazeem]

In a perfect world Boro wouldn't be anywhere close to being on this team.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

All I asked for was proof and noone could.

Again, I'll ask, are you referring to Peter Noone?


No one I know, knows Peter Noone ......... No one.

 

[solidprospect]

Again, I'll ask, are you referring to Peter Noone?


No one I know, knows Peter Noone ......... No one.

yes

 

[Micklebot]

I dunno. He has a split second to make a decision and from his viewpoint it’s a 3 on 1. It’s bizarre that I’m defending Boro because I’d be doing cartwheels if the team replaced him. But I personally don’t feel he was the problem on that play. Ceci and White created that mess and Andy has to be better. But also, it’s Toews and he’s an elite player.
You can certainly blame Boro for a lot of things but I think it’s unfair to blame him on that goal.

I think the forwards did a great job backchecking to take away the odd man rush, and gave Boro lots of time to get over to toews, he just didn't seem to notice. It looked worse than it was, but I thing he has to recognize the forwards getting into the play and be more aggressive on Toews even all it does is rush the shot a bit more.

 

[slamigo]

My well of ‘defending Boro’ has run dry. Sheesh. Haters want to hate. Lol

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

My well of ‘defending Boro’ has run dry. Sheesh. Haters want to hate. Lol

Its a very tough job you took on there

 

[Micklebot]

My well of ‘defending Boro’ has run dry. Sheesh. Haters want to hate. Lol

Didn't mean to pile on, sry. I like Boro back with Wideman tonight, aside from getting walked on the pk he wasn't too bad

 

[topshelf15]

Boro is a very good role defender,tough as nails and will do anything to help the team.. Hard not to like the guy,but the game has become more about skill and speed,and sadly he lacks in both

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

 

[slamigo]

Boro would be fine as a 6/7 until Jaros or Harpur push him out. But having him rolling 23 minutes a night is not a recipe for success.

 

[Alex1234]

Chabot-demelo
Lajoie-wideman
Wolanin-Jaros

Would they be a lot worse????