Recalled/Assigned: Mark Scheifele sent back to Barrie Colts (OHL)

[Grind]

I'm of the opinion that either option could be good for Scheifele - they both have their positives and negatives. It's pretty hard to definitively say he must stay up or go down...although we can feel free to argue about it incessantly.

i think that's why were all here

 

[surixon]

there has to be tangible reason for him being down. Its not better just because it isn't up, though that is a prevailing metnality with some of us.

It is not an elixer.

a player like crosby was would ahve gained nothing frl=om beating up lower competition.

THat being said, I do still think schiefele could go either way, though by what's being said by others about his last game sounds like he might be closer to up then down (though slightly).

Also your math must be wrong on Spezza, he's only 29, so if he came in at 22 he's only had 6 and a bit of productive seasons (not 10 yet). Though i get the point

Yeah Spezza was in the unique position where he was eligable to play in the AHL at 19 due to playing in the OHL at 15. He played half an AHL year before making it full time. Granted he was trying to crack the roster of a Stanly cup contender, which is something that Mark doesn't have to worry about.

Im also good with whichever decision the organization makes.

 

[Winnipeg Jets]

Scheifele turns 20 some time in March if I remember correctly. I assume he can't be sent back to Barrie and when he turns 20 get shipped to St. Johns? In a perfect world Scheifele would be sent to the AHL for a year or two and then gradually integrated into the Jets lineup.

Are the Ice Caps in a position to make the playoffs? If so Scheif should get some good experience playing the pro game with our farm team.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

Scheifele turns 20 some time in March if I remember correctly. I assume he can't be sent back to Barrie and when he turns 20 get shipped to St. Johns? In a perfect world Scheifele would be sent to the AHL for a year or two and then gradually integrated into the Jets lineup.

Are the Ice Caps in a position to make the playoffs? If so Scheif should get some good experience playing the pro game with our farm team.

No. It based on birth year, this is Scheifele's 19 year old year, for the whole season regardless of when his birthday is. He may go to St. John's when Barrie's season is over.

 

[Winnipeg Jets]

No. It based on birth year, this is Scheifele's 19 year old year, for the whole season regardless of when his birthday is. He may go to St. John's when Barrie's season is over.

Okay, I understand now. Thanks for clearing those things up!

 

[Holden Caulfield]

Okay, I understand now. Thanks for clearing those things up!

No problem. There is lots of little tweaks people don't always know. A quick rule of thumb is that anything regarding ages (sending back, waivers, etc) stays the same as the start of the year. Turning a certain age or number of games played mid-season does not change anything.

Most things also go by birth year (only exception is the draft). So if the player turns 20 before the end of calendar year when the season starts, that is his 20 year old year. If he turns 20 after the end of the calender year (ie January, February, March, etc), then it would be his 19 year old year.

 

[broinwhyteridge]

Didn't know this forum had a town crier. Or ... Jet poet.

I was not aware of it.

 

[allan5oh]

Scheifele was an even plus-minus, and also the Jets' best faceoff man, with eight wins out of 12, for whatever that's worth in an outing that was more than half garbage time.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sports/hockey/jets/scheifeles-fate-anyones-guess-189553411.html

 

[BigZ65]

I think it's been mentioned before that Scheifele feasts on the weaklings of the OHL. Wouldn't hurt him to have the experience as a go to guy on a pretty good OHL playoff team and have to raise his game against Belleville, Oshawa, Sudbury. He hasn't had much experience as a top player at the best level available to him at his age group. I think leaving him up you risk stunting his development as this franchise has done with Little, Burmistrov and Kane to some extent.

 

[SCP Guy]

I wonder if Mark could play 1st line minutes on the Rock next year?

Or a tleast 2nd line but 1st line power play? That would be awesome for his development IMHO!!!

 

[Edgar Halliwax]

I wonder if Mark could play 1st line minutes on the Rock next year?

Or a tleast 2nd line but 1st line power play? That would be awesome for his development IMHO!!!

Fork that Caesar. He will be playing 1st line minutes HERE next year.

 

[allan5oh]

Based on what? He's had 1 goal and 0 assists in 11 games in the NHL so far. He's been given chances on every line in every situation.

Unless he has a stellar game tomorrow, he's going down.

 

[Andy6]

It's hard to believe that his fate hasn't been decided for a long time already. There's a fair bit of money involved. It would make sense to keep him up for a long stretch while Barrie isn't playing much anyway, and get him more acclimatized to the whole atmosphere around being an NHLer, not just the playing part. That seems to have been the plan. Although we just came through a pretty awful 3 1/2 periods of play, I think that in the long run the team is relatively deep this year and there isn't going to be the business case to keep Scheifele up.

 

[Snot Rocket]

Based on what? He's had 1 goal and 0 assists in 11 games in the NHL so far. He's been given chances on every line in every situation.

Unless he has a stellar game tomorrow, he's going down.

From what I have seen he has been ok. He has been sneaking into open ice…watch him, he goes all ninja into open areas, seems to just slip away from his coverage.
What is killing him is; griping his stick too hard and when he gets the puck on the tape for a scoring chance it seems like he gets a shot of adrenaline. I speak from experience; I get it when I play any sport, hunting /fishing if the moment is big. He is so driven to make the team that his body is betraying his learned behavior. He should calm down once he gets a couple, and then we will probably see consistent production...at least that is my take on the kid.
That might explain why they have been running practices with him and not playing him, trying to get him acclimated to the big show.
Hope he relaxes for the game tomorrow.

 

[surixon]

It's hard to believe that his fate hasn't been decided for a long time already. There's a fair bit of money involved. It would make sense to keep him up for a long stretch while Barrie isn't playing much anyway, and get him more acclimatized to the whole atmosphere around being an NHLer, not just the playing part. That seems to have been the plan. Although we just came through a pretty awful 3 1/2 periods of play, I think that in the long run the team is relatively deep this year and there isn't going to be the business case to keep Scheifele up.

I'm leaning this way as well. They really haven't given him much of a chance to really make an impact (I don't consider one period playing top 6 minutes with pp time when the team is getting blown out a chance). Barring him lighting it up tomorrow he's probable on his way to Barrie and that's probably best for him if Noel doesn't plan on giving him 15 minutes a night with pp time.

 

[jungles]

What this teams seems to be lacking most is vision. They need to dress Scheifele if only for the minuscule chance that some of his vision will rub on on the other players.

 

[ps241]

I know right now it appears Mark is twisting in the wind and TNSE really doesn't have a plan for him but I don't think that is the case.

I am not a faith only type and I have my questions about any organization in the NHL at times and “NOBODY†pitches shut outs with the way they handle all their prospects but I firmly believe the Jets know what they are doing with Mark right now. He is a key piece moving forward and they clearly feel Mark's time is better spent with the parent club right now than in Barrie. Like many here I too feel like they should pi55 or get off the pot and make the call but we are not with management in the room and have no idea what the plan is? Maybe they feel Mark is better served taking some time to work on strength and conditioning under their watchful eye while practicing with the team. Maybe they have set drills in practice with and without the team that are targeted towards Mark's exact needs at this time. Maybe they think he has learned what he needs at the junior level (at least in regular season) and there is no rush to get him back and he is better served in Winnipeg right now. Perhaps the plan is to return him but they want to maximize his time in Winnipeg before sending him back for the playoff run in Barrie. Maybe they have a plan to use him this season with the Jets but are in no rush to get him in the lineup. Games are important but are not the end all be all………look at our collage kids they only play Friday, Saturday nights and take the rest of the week to practice and train. When it comes to development there is more than one way up the mountain.

Hard to believe Mark is an afterthought and they don’t have a plan even though it’s really hard to figure it out from the outside looking in.

 

[surixon]

I know right now it appears Mark is twisting in the wind and TNSE really doesn't have a plan for him but I don't think that is the case.

I am not a faith only type and I have my questions about any organization in the NHL at times and “NOBODY†pitches shut outs with the way they handle all their prospects but I firmly believe the Jets know what they are doing with Mark right now. He is a key piece moving forward and they clearly feel Mark's time is better spent with the parent club right now than in Barrie. Like many here I too feel like they should pi55 or get off the pot and make the call but we are not with management in the room and have no idea what the plan is? Maybe they feel Mark is better served taking some time to work on strength and conditioning under their watchful eye while practicing with the team. Maybe they have set drills in practice with and without the team that are targeted towards Mark's exact needs at this time. Maybe they think he has learned what he needs at the junior level (at least in regular season) and there is no rush to get him back and he is better served in Winnipeg right now. Perhaps the plan is to return him but they want to maximize his time in Winnipeg before sending him back for the playoff run in Barrie. Maybe they have a plan to use him this season with the Jets but are in no rush to get him in the lineup. Games are important but are not the end all be all………look at our collage kids they only play Friday, Saturday nights and take the rest of the week to practice and train. When it comes to development there is more than one way up the mountain.

Hard to believe Mark is an afterthought and they don’t have a plan even though it’s really hard to figure it out from the outside looking in.

My problem with the org is the lack of communication between management and the player. It seems everytime Scheifele is interviewed on the topic he really doesn't know what's going on and IMO that's not a good thing. I don't think its a great learning environment for him to be questioning himself every time he sits.

At least by making a decision and communicating it Mark would know where he stands. If he the plan is for him to stay up and play once a week while working on his strength, then he wont be worrying about being taken out of the lineup and can focus on what the team wants him two.

 

[Huffer]

I know right now it appears Mark is twisting in the wind and TNSE really doesn't have a plan for him but I don't think that is the case.

I am not a faith only type and I have my questions about any organization in the NHL at times and “NOBODY” pitches shut outs with the way they handle all their prospects but I firmly believe the Jets know what they are doing with Mark right now. He is a key piece moving forward and they clearly feel Mark's time is better spent with the parent club right now than in Barrie. Like many here I too feel like they should pi55 or get off the pot and make the call but we are not with management in the room and have no idea what the plan is? Maybe they feel Mark is better served taking some time to work on strength and conditioning under their watchful eye while practicing with the team. Maybe they have set drills in practice with and without the team that are targeted towards Mark's exact needs at this time. Maybe they think he has learned what he needs at the junior level (at least in regular season) and there is no rush to get him back and he is better served in Winnipeg right now. Perhaps the plan is to return him but they want to maximize his time in Winnipeg before sending him back for the playoff run in Barrie. Maybe they have a plan to use him this season with the Jets but are in no rush to get him in the lineup. Games are important but are not the end all be all………look at our collage kids they only play Friday, Saturday nights and take the rest of the week to practice and train. When it comes to development there is more than one way up the mountain.

Hard to believe Mark is an afterthought and they don’t have a plan even though it’s really hard to figure it out from the outside looking in.

My thoughts as well PS. I really can't follow the line of thought that would think that TNSE is just working off the seat of their pants with one of their most important prospects. Just because we the fan don't know the plan, doesn't mean that their isn't one.

 

[SCP Guy]

Barrie had a week off this week so no need to send him down........I think Mark gets an NHL check for games he sits so I bet his wallet isn't upset they didn't just dress him for the first 5 games and send him down.....


He just got sent down as per twitter

 

[YWGinYYZ]

Jets just re-assigned Scheifele to Barrie, according to McKenzie...

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie

WPG returns Mark Scheifele to Barrie of the OHL.

 

[Lynk]

Yep.

Pretty sure we all expected this.

 

[Rheged]

There it is.

 

[RonJon]

Just anounced that he as been sent back to Barrie

 

[SensibleGuy]

yep, he's gone back down. Not surprised really. Frankly I din't see all that much from him to keep him up now...