SeanMoneyHands
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Value of: Mark Scheifele for a #1 defenseman
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Bjornar Moxnes
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Since this is clearly not a Winnipeg-NY proposal, why even bother commenting that?
Pretty much the only thing that gets a 1D is a 1D according to HF.
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Or two seconds and a desperate GM.
Field of Dreams
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I don't get what people see in scheifele. He's way too one dimensional
Brent Burns is thirty-six years old. The Jets will try their luck with younger players.
It's tricky acquiring a #1D, or any prominent player, because Winnipeg is not a destination. You have to get players who don't have NMC's and won't make a stink about playing in Winnipeg. That and Scheifele's lazy play has reduced his value so you won't get a strong 1D having a successful season. It will be a mutual change of scenery type of trade. A couple thoughts:
1 - Ivan Provorov. Similar contract, no NMC, having a bad year. Wasn't very good last year either so it's questionable if he's a real #1D or an upgrade on Morrissey, but hey Scheifele is a questionable #1C so that seems fair. You're going to be focused on the great tools and hope he benefits from the change of scenery.
2 - Seth Jones. Bad contract but he's a better player. 10-team NTC but maybe he'd be eager to get away from the Chicago rebuild. Oh and he leads Hawks D in xGF% Rel. Not having a bad season.
It's tricky acquiring a #1D, or any prominent player, because Winnipeg is not a destination. You have to get players who don't have NMC's and won't make a stink about playing in Winnipeg. That and Scheifele's lazy play has reduced his value so you won't get a strong 1D having a successful season. It will be a mutual change of scenery type of trade. A couple thoughts:
1 - Ivan Provorov. Similar contract, no NMC, having a bad year. Wasn't very good last year either so it's questionable if he's a real #1D or an upgrade on Morrissey, but hey Scheifele is a questionable #1C so that seems fair. You're going to be focused on the great tools and hope he benefits from the change of scenery.
2 - Seth Jones. Bad contract but he's a better player. 10-team NTC but maybe he'd be eager to get away from the Chicago rebuild. Oh and he leads Hawks D in xGF% Rel. Not having a bad season.
bukwas
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I would assume they see the player from a couple years ago and hope he gets back to that level
CBS did that moving Johansen for Jones. Nash had Dmen in the right side in Weber and Ellis to justify the move. CBS didn’t have another C of similar caliber.
The Provorov for Scheifelie deal was what I had in mind.
Sanheim can move up with his emergence, with Ellis, if he ever comes back.
Field of Dreams
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That's it. Why would someone trade their 1D for someone who used to be a bonufide 1c and is now on a decline at 29 years old.
I’ve been trying to promote awareness of Scheifele’s absolute lack of defensive effort for a couple years now and at his age - I don’t think it’s like “oh he’s gonna start trying again on a different team”. I think he is what he is. And part of that is that he’s a one-dimensional center who probably should not be the 1A alpha leader on a Cup-aspiring team.
All of that said - he’s still a phenomenal offensive center and - this is the biggest part of his *current* appeal - he makes only $6.125 million for two more seasons - which despite his warts is a bargain. There are a lot of contending teams who would salivate to add his production at that cap hit. His biggest value is his contract because lots of good teams can find the space for that…it’s #1 center production for #2 center cap hit.
Now I can say there’s zero chance I want any part of his next contract when he’s 31 and probably even more lazy defensively than he is now - but for the next couple of seasons, he’s a really attractive asset…especially for a contending team looking to add real offensive punch and maybe you already have a strong leadership nucleus and defensive system/personnel in place which helps mitigate his flaws to some degree.
You trade your player who used to be a bonafide 1D and now might be in decline. That's where the Provorov suggestion came from.
bukwas
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That I don’t see happening.
I suppose there could be extenuating circumstances that would make moving your #1 dman for Scheifele an acceptable option but probably not if everything is hunky dorey.
You might be right but I'm not so sure that his defense is what it is or that it will get worse. He is still very mobile and can skate and he used to be able to read play defensively and put the effort in. So he seems mentally and physically capable of it, which is why a lot of folks speculate that he just needs a shake up.
Maybe but I wouldn’t bank on it. I mean is Blake Wheeler really that toxic or is Scheifele just an entitled, lazy player? I agree it’s not physical but I HATE Scheifele’s on ice body language and effort level. It’s like three years and two coaches of coasting around as the teams point totals drop each season while he cleans up counting stats on 5 minutes of PP time each game.
Still an attractive and valuable asset especially on the right team - the Jets need to move him this summer while his contract gives him +++ value. Wheeler’s contract is an impossible to move boat anchor. Get Scheifele out of the room and let PLD and KC lead the team.
You could probably just have Burns for free if you ask nicely.
I'd probably trade any of Calgary's D for him.
I'd probably trade any of Calgary's D for him.
SeanMoneyHands
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I can see Scheifele going to NYI, he would be a very good player on the Island. Mark for Dobson straight up.
You would trade Rasmus Andersson for Scheifele? Because I think Winnipeg ought to be all over that.
I'm trying to imagine how Sutter would handle Scheifele. How do you think that would go?
Losing Rasmus would of course suck. A lefty would be better to lose, but an offensively gifted guy with a problem with defensive effort. That's Sutters wet dream for a reclamation project. Hell, that's pretty much what everyone said about Gaudreau.
Except Scheifele is a big righty center and we need a 2C.
Well then I think we might have found a trade.
What do folks think about Scheifele for Rasmus Andersson?
I don't see Winnipeg having any interest in that. I also doubt Calgary can afford to move Andersson.
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That dimension is pretty good, but I kind of agree. I wouldn't call him a 1C (more of a 1B/2), he's not good enough defensively.
