Player Discussion: Mark S Discussion

[surixon]

There is definitely something wrong with Shiefele be it psychological or chemical and in need for professional guidance. If he doesn’t get help, he’ll be useless not only to the Jets but also any team he maybe traded too. This team need an sports psychologist for some time now.

Scheifele has a team of experts helping him, I highly doubt a sports psychologist isn't on his payroll.

 

[Guffman]

I remember this forum was gossiping that Adam Lowry slept with Schiefele’s fiance and that was the reason why the Jet’s swooned in the 2018-2019 season LMAO.

Maybe Coach Dave Lowry made a pass on Schiefele’s girlfriend.

Damn Lowrys!! Messin’ with Schiefele all these years and sabotaging our Jets!

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

I think that would be foolish. We would likely regret such a move.

Mark needs a new coaching staff and a full year with a new coach before I'd sell him off. He's got the talent to be better and I'm hoping someone makes his effort match his talent.

Unless the 55 camp has already informed TNSE that he doesn't plan to re-sign with the Jets

 

[Guffman]

Unless the 55 camp has already informed TNSE that he doesn't plan to re-sign with the Jets

It’s not like we can resign him anytime soon lol.

Boy, Schiefele is playing the really long game of half-assed play over a few seasons. It only took Dubois a single shift to get his message across that he wanted to get moved.

 

[GaryPoppins]

Unless the 55 camp has already informed TNSE that he doesn't plan to re-sign with the Jets

This could just be me but I really can’t see him sticking around. If I were a multi-millionaire that’s done his time with the team that’s drafted in arguably one of the worst markets to live in, I’d be moving on.

Not to mention, if you don’t like the Wheeler contract now, you’ll HATE the Scheifele contract in a few years of he sticks around. Not a Wheeler guy but at least he gives 100% more often than not. 55 has candidly gotta go.

How that impacts 80 sticking around is VERY interesting.. he might not wanna resign if they’re going to be rebuilding; could only imagine this season is wearing on PLD.

Change is in the air..

 

[Jet]

I definitely don't want to resign a guy who's f***ed the dog defensively for 4 years and is entering his decline phase. Can you imagine Wheeler if he didn't try?

He'll never be worth more than he is this offseason. Time to leverage that for a reload.

 

[Jet]

This could just be me but I really can’t see him sticking around. If I were a multi-millionaire that’s done his time with the team that’s drafted in arguably one of the worst markets to live in, I’d be moving on.

Not to mention, if you don’t like the Wheeler contract now, you’ll HATE the Scheifele contract in a few years of he sticks around. Not a Wheeler guy but at least he gives 100% more often than not. 55 has candidly gotta go.

How that impacts 80 sticking around is VERY interesting.. he might not wanna resign if they’re going to be rebuilding; could only imagine this season is wearing on PLD.

Change is in the air..

I think it will actually be a selling point and positively impact pld staying.

The Jets im sure still believe they are in a window of competitiveness. Any deal for Schiefele will fetch a top 6 player +, and they'll still have a core in their prime and a world class goalie.

This is still Scheifeles team. The players must be pretty damned sick of watching a guy that gets all the gravy minutes unwilling to put in the effort all over the ice to help the team win. Look at Connor: he was probably out worst forward defensively, and not only is he approaching having the best season offensively of any Jets 2.0 player, he's cleaned up his game defensively and put in the effort to the point that he now is a key pk'er (and imo a big reason our pk improved).

55 leaving hands the reigns over to 80 and I think that's something that would be very appealing to pld..

 

[tbcwpg]

I think it's a no-win situation with Scheifele.

I think he just needs to get out of Winnipeg and start somewhere new, maybe somewhere that doesn't have the same level of day to day scrutiny from everywhere. LA has a lot of youth in their system and they're starting to come together, they could be a good trading partner, though I don't know enough about them to know if Scheifele is a player they'd really be interested in.

The problem is that he'll likely rebound so well on another team that the Jets will lose any trade they make, but if they keep him, they'll get what they get now - a player that is very effective in the offensive zone and useless everywhere else.

 

[GaryPoppins]

I think it will actually be a selling point and positively impact pld staying.

The Jets im sure still believe they are in a window of competitiveness. Any deal for Schiefele will fetch a top 6 player +, and they'll still have a core in their prime and a world class goalie.

This is still Scheifeles team. The players must be pretty damned sick of watching a guy that gets all the gravy minutes unwilling to put in the effort all over the ice to help the team win. Look at Connor: he was probably out worst forward defensively, and not only is he approaching having the best season offensively of any Jets 2.0 player, he's cleaned up his game defensively and put in the effort to the point that he now is a key pk'er (and imo a big reason our pk improved).

55 leaving hands the reigns over to 80 and I think that's something that would be very appealing to pld..

Fair.

I don’t think there is any coincidence that one of the best stretches of hockey this team played had 55 and 26 riding the Covid protocols so perhaps your onto something

 

[DRW204]

Yup, regardless of his fancy stats suckage since 2018, his points and role will create a huge void if its not replaced similarly. Just the sheer toi and qoc alone will be a huge challenge for PLD and Perfetti, unless the return nets someone who can play that role at least. By no means has to be a ppg player but it needs to be 15+ minute top 6 guy who can be in the 50-60 point range.

That’s not all they should get for him, but the package needs to include that type of player imo.

I still have reservations about Perfetti actually being an nhl C. Scheifele is really the only top 6 C this org has drafted+developed. Even if we get a top 6 C as you said in 50-60 pt range, that + PLD is a bit of a weak top 6C group in terms of production when I look at other teams league wide.

It’s notable someone in the local media has said it publicly. It’s hardly an original take though. I would think most people are reading the same tea leaves.

Yeah that's ultimately the point I was getting at. An individual locally attaching their name to moving scheifele.

 

[Zippity]

Another potential clue he may want out is he seems to be never wearing Jets Gear. Yes I know I know that means nothing. But anyone know if he used to wear Jets branding in the past seasons?

You could say that about Wheeler too

 

[Imcanadianeh]

Fair.

I don’t think there is any coincidence that one of the best stretches of hockey this team played had 55 and 26 riding the Covid protocols so perhaps your onto something

I think this gets kind of overblown…..

This is the time table.

Jets with Wheeler out = 0-0-1
Jets with Scheifele + Wheeler out = 4-0-0
Jets with Scheifele out = 0-0-1
Jets with Scheifele and Wheeler back for the next two weeks = 5-1-1

So yes the Jets had success while they were in COVID protocol but they also had success when they were out of Covid protocol.

 

[surixon]

I think this gets kind of overblown…..

This is the time table.

Jets with Wheeler out = 0-0-1
Jets with Scheifele + Wheeler out = 4-0-0
Jets with Scheifele out = 0-0-1
Jets with Scheifele and Wheeler back for the next two weeks = 5-1-1

So yes the Jets had success while they were in COVID protocol but they also had success when they were out of Covid protocol.

I think it was also style of play when they were out. The team was playing a real hard and fast brand of hockey.

 

[cbcwpg]

You could say that about Wheeler too

No you can't. The stuff Wheeler wears is specifically related to the fund raising he does for kids and cancer. Pretty sure TNSE is fine with Wheeler wearing his logo and not the Jets.

 

[surixon]

No you can't. The stuff Wheeler wears is specifically related to the fund raising he does for kids and cancer. Pretty sure TNSE is fine with Wheeler wearing his logo and not the Jets.

Yup, a bit different for him. He likely cleared it with the team beforehand.

Found it surprising Mark doesn't wear anything team or charity affiliated. I think everyone else does.

 

[GaryPoppins]

I think this gets kind of overblown…..

This is the time table.

Jets with Wheeler out = 0-0-1
Jets with Scheifele + Wheeler out = 4-0-0
Jets with Scheifele out = 0-0-1
Jets with Scheifele and Wheeler back for the next two weeks = 5-1-1

So yes the Jets had success while they were in COVID protocol but they also had success when they were out of Covid protocol.

*Checks and sees they’re below playoff line*

What success do you speak of?

 

[Jetsfan79]

You could say that about Wheeler too

Yes and I would have the similar misgivings about him too. Not that he wants out. I think he is frustrated about the media and probably hates being a captain though. Still works his butt off on the ice. Also IIRC he's never been big on wearing Jets Gear in the past. Not so sure about Schiefele

 

[Jetsfan79]

You could say that about Wheeler too

I found this old video from 2016. Scheifele is wearing a Jets Tshirt. Something that he hasn't done in quite a while or at least definitely not as often. Again I know this doesnt necessary mean anything. It could be he was younger and more "gung-ho " about being a Jet. Just an observation.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Reading this thread might be influencing me to overreact a bit, but I have to ask:
Is Scheifele THE problem?

If so, I have to wonder how that is even possible. Can a ppg centre be the problem that brings a whole team down? Or is it just that first thing, me overreacting?

 

[surixon]

Reading this thread might be influencing me to overreact a bit, but I have to ask:
Is Scheifele THE problem?

If so, I have to wonder how that is even possible. Can a ppg centre be the problem that brings a whole team down? Or is it just that first thing, me overreacting?

I think how he approaches the game is the problem. It's hard to get buy in to play a hard all around game from everyone when your best player doesn't buy in. So in terms of overall team play yes I think he's a barrier to getting the team to play well as a whole. Ultimately the best result would be to somehow get through to him and get him to stop cheating and to play hard both ways. He may out up less points but I think he'd be less of a net negative and it would help set the tonne for the entire group.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

I remember this forum was gossiping that Adam Lowry slept with Schiefele’s fiance and that was the reason why the Jet’s swooned in the 2018-2019 season LMAO.

That's what happened in the Bizarro universe.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

Reading this thread might be influencing me to overreact a bit, but I have to ask:
Is Scheifele THE problem?

If so, I have to wonder how that is even possible. Can a ppg centre be the problem that brings a whole team down? Or is it just that first thing, me overreacting?

Trust your instincts, Mort. He is Schiva, Destroyer of Teams.

 

[cbcwpg]

Reading this thread might be influencing me to overreact a bit, but I have to ask:
Is Scheifele THE problem?

If so, I have to wonder how that is even possible. Can a ppg centre be the problem that brings a whole team down? Or is it just that first thing, me overreacting?

IMO, even if the Jets were in a guaranteed playoff spot, I would still be concerned about Scheifele's play, his effort, and his GAS factor. I can't believe that their aren't players looking at what they see from Scheifele re: his defensive gaffs and see the coaches rewarding him with generally the highest ice time each game, and not be pissed about it. That will cause friction in any room.

As an aside, but related to a player and a dressing room, today the Flyers Mike Yeo confirmed that Yandle will be a healthy scratch Saturday night against the Toronto Maple Leafs ending his iron man streak at 989 games. Word is... based on his play he has no business being in the NHL and playing him to get to 1000 games ( or just continue the streak ) was having a real negative effect on the players on the team and the room, and the fans.

 

[surixon]

IMO, even if the Jets were in a guaranteed playoff spot, I would still be concerned about Scheifele's play, his effort, and his GAS factor. I can't believe that their aren't players looking at what they see from Scheifele re: his defensive gaffs and see the coaches rewarding him with generally the highest ice time each game, and not be pissed about it. That will cause friction in any room.

As an aside, but related to a player and a dressing room, today the Flyers Mike Yeo confirmed that Yandle will be a healthy scratch Saturday night against the Toronto Maple Leafs ending his iron man streak at 989 games. Word is... based on his play he has no business being in the NHL and playing him to get to 1000 games ( or just continue the streak ) was having a real negative effect on the players on the team and the room, and the fans.

Not that I like Yeo as a coach but good on him.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

IMO, even if the Jets were in a guaranteed playoff spot, I would still be concerned about Scheifele's play, his effort, and his GAS factor. I can't believe that their aren't players looking at what they see from Scheifele re: his defensive gaffs and see the coaches rewarding him with generally the highest ice time each game, and not be pissed about it. That will cause friction in any room.

As an aside, but related to a player and a dressing room, today the Flyers Mike Yeo confirmed that Yandle will be a healthy scratch Saturday night against the Toronto Maple Leafs ending his iron man streak at 989 games. Word is... based on his play he has no business being in the NHL and playing him to get to 1000 games ( or just continue the streak ) was having a real negative effect on the players on the team and the room, and the fans.

It would be one thing if his play was hurting their shot at a playoff spot but these are meaningless games for the Flyers. Denying a milestone event to a guy who has had a good, long career in the league is just a dick move by the team as a whole from the sounds of it. Bottom feeder is a good look for this organization and the City of Brotherly Hate.