Proposal: Mark Pysyk to Toronto

[Vatican Roulette]

I'd overpay to get Pysyk but as someone mentioned I don't know what the Leafs have to offer that Florida would be interested in.

Going after Pysyk and Demers were two big things I wanted the Leafs to do this off-season but oh well.

Kapanen maybe?

 

[4thline]

Kapanen maybe?

Gah that's a tough one for me. Really high on Kapanen, I think he's a lesser part of the "Big 4" rather than the best of the rest after the Big 3. That being said if you think Pysyk just needs the opportunity to emerge as Tanev type mobile defensive top 4 rhd you almost have to take that chance. I'm personally not confident enough in it, but fair in principle IMO. though I'd rather work something around Patient Panther's JVR for Pysyk+Jokinen+ futures

 

[Halla]

Kapanen maybe?

that isnt gonna happen.

is pysyk a big enough upgrade over Carrick to justify losing our best non-NHL prospect, and then Carrick in the exp. draft? No

 

[Halla]

Gah that's a tough one for me. Really high on Kapanen, I think he's a lesser part of the "Big 4" rather than the best of the rest after the Big 3. That being said if you think Pysyk just needs the opportunity to emerge as Tanev type mobile defensive top 4 rhd you almost have to take that chance. I'm personally not confident enough in it, but fair in principle IMO. though I'd rather work something around Patient Panther's JVR for Pysyk+Jokinen+ futures

the thing is if we move our best prospect (not in NHL) for pysyk, we have to protect him or mgmt just looks dumb. then we can't protect carrick and he is likely a goner based on what toronto is gonna expose.

Is pysyk = Kapanen+Carrick? no, no he isnt

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

You know, not bad. Similar to what I was thinking. Make the 2nd a 1st conditional on making the final 4 and deal in my books. Really like what I've seen from Pysyk, and Jokinen is a nice vet stopgap like you said and if he's healthy a delayed second for next year.

Ah, it's an interesting bet but I'd need a pick back this year. You guys have a couple 2nds and a 3rd. Hate to lose a 1st though.

Jokinen alone could fetch a late 1st + mid grade prospect.
Pysyk did get traded for Kulikov. 2nd + prospect

then the 2 picks while taking on a cap dump for 2 years of JVR.

JVR has only been LW for us.

In terms of the return, it seems like more quantity then quality. JVR is a huge piece for us, and if we moved him it would need to be for an age appropriate top 4 right handed defenseman, even if it meant we added to JVR. Everyone in the league though is probably looking for this.

Fair enough, I'm open to counter offers. Doesn't have to be JVR but he's the guy I'd be after if I was GM. I don't doubt you could add to JVR + a 2nd for a young RHD RFA so but that's kind of exactly what Pysyk is becoming. He plays a ton of PK, he's avergaing 17mins on the 3rd line. Demers gets 3mins more a game than him on the 2nd. Let's re-evaluate this closer to the Christmas break?

Pysyk and that nifty guy Florida selected in the 2nd round for JVR

Mascherin? Naaaah. Guy has a lethal wrister. Tearing up the OHL right now. Nice try

 

[Aladyyn]

that isnt gonna happen.

is pysyk a big enough upgrade over Carrick to justify losing our best non-NHL prospect, and then Carrick in the exp. draft? No

He's a pretty huge upgrade lol. He'd do wonders for the Leafs defense.

 

[CorgisPer60]

he's not buried in florida and hes may been our most solid dman. perfect bottom pairing guy.
not available

If he's a perfect bottom pairing guy and you don't want to trade him, then he's being buried.

 

[4thline]

the thing is if we move our best prospect (not in NHL) for pysyk, we have to protect him or mgmt just looks dumb. then we can't protect carrick and he is likely a goner based on what toronto is gonna expose.

Is pysyk = Kapanen+Carrick? no, no he isnt

There's your answer. In this hypothetical the Leafs only make the trade if they think Pysyk can be a legitimate top 4 (an upgrade on Carrick). And in any case with what we're likely to expose up front isn't that much of a loss. I'd easily go 4+4 protection if we can add a good young defenseman. But like I said I'd prefer the JVR deal. I think KK is penciled in as part of the long term group.

 

[Halla]

He's a pretty huge upgrade lol. He'd do wonders for the Leafs defense.

meh. carrick is 2 years younger and has been ok for us. pysyk wasnt doing much 2 years ago either

 

[4thline]

Ah, it's an interesting bet but I'd need a pick back this year. You guys have a couple 2nds and a 3rd. Hate to lose a 1st though.

Jokinen alone could fetch a late 1st + mid grade prospect.
Pysyk did get traded for Kulikov. 2nd + prospect

then the 2 picks while taking on a cap dump for 2 years of JVR.



Mascherin? Naaaah. Guy has a lethal wrister. Tearing up the OHL right now. Nice try

Fantastic pick.


Personally that Laich/Michalek cap dump does nothing for me, could cut that out, and make the conditions such that if you do make final 4 and it's the 1st rounder than the 3rd doesn't transfer.
Either
Pysyk+Jokinen+1st (28-31)
or
Pysyk+ Jokinen + 2nd (45-57) +3rd (75-87)


Could also add Hunwick to keep that 3rd in

 

[varano]

Seems kind of buried in Florida and is even playing his off-side.

Is he available through trade at all?

We don't need a Pysyk... We need a #1 guy. Enough of these bottom pairing guys

 

[Aladyyn]

meh. carrick is 2 years younger and has been ok for us. pysyk wasnt doing much 2 years ago either

He was just Buffalo's best defenseman and the only reason he didn't play was because we were tanking...

 

[varano]

He was just Buffalo's best defenseman and the only reason he didn't play was because we were tanking...

risto is light years better than pysyk...

 

[Aladyyn]

risto is light years better than pysyk...

Not 2 years ago

 

[Halla]

He was just Buffalo's best defenseman and the only reason he didn't play was because we were tanking...

7 pts in 44 games, -11 with terrible possession stats. thats where he was at on a bad team at carricks age.
myers and enstrom were on that team as well. being one of the better players on a team that was worse than an expansion team isnt saying much regardless

not enough of an upgrade to justify losing our best prospect not in the NHL, especially when vegas will likely grab him or petrovic and likely be lookin to flip them for a pick after the exp draft. If im the leafs i offer up rychel, because vegas will be deep on D but very light on young forwards with upside


edit: can this thread go away now? neither team seems to like it. the only productive thing that came from it was the guy offering jokinen,2nd,3rd for JVR

 

[Aladyyn]

7 pts in 44 games, -11 with terrible possession stats. thats where he was at on a bad team at carricks age.
myers and enstrom were on that team as well. being one of the better players on a team that was worse than an expansion team isnt saying much regardless

not enough of an upgrade to justify losing our best prospect not in the NHL, especially when vegas will likely grab him or petrovic and likely be lookin to flip them for a pick after the exp draft. If im the leafs i offer up rychel, because vegas will be deep on D but very light on young forwards with upside


edit: can this thread go away now? neither team seems to like it. the only productive thing that came from it was the guy offering jokinen,2nd,3rd for JVR

That was not 2 years ago, nice moving of the goal posts

 

[HoweHullOrr]

OK, no worries.

I'm always amused by the discussions between posters on trades. They project like they are the actual GMs of the clubs involved doing the deal. Pretty sure its the GMs that make the trades and that the posters are guessing.

That was my real point.

isnt that the whole point of the threads?

Yes, and the nuances of how one communicates (offering an opinion versus a declaration) and being grounded in reality are also relevant. Otherwise, at a minimum, it does provide some amusement style reading.

Carry on.

 

[seafoam]

Don't see what's wrong with Florida not wanting to move Pysyk.

If Ekblad or Demers miss significant time, I assume Pysyk slides right up. For a team looking to build off their playoff appearance last year, he's a good guy to have marinating on your third pairing.

At Florida's stage of the build, it's more about filling their holes, so if Toronto were to offer a piece that may have more value, that doesn't mean it makes sense for Florida (again a team who's time is right now) to create a hole so Toronto can fill one.