Proposal: Mark Pysyk to Toronto

[Everything is fine]

My thoughts on Pysyk is he may take the Stralman route, might get stuck on your 3rd pairing but has some top 4 qualities that you'd want (and other teams too).

Way I saw it was

Yandle, Ekblad, Demers, and Matheson made up the top 4 for the forseeable future.

He has some really good shot suppression numbers and maybe could be an under-rated partner for Rielly. It's not the A caliber defense partner I wanted us to acquire but he could be what we needed.

I don't think Florida has a typical 3rd pairing. If Pysyk survives the expansion draft I would like to keep it that way and see how Ekblad, Matheson and Pysyk develop.

Re-signing Pysyk shouldn't be too expensive and he could push for Demers spot in few years.

Moving Pysyk before the draft doesn't really make sense anyways. Move Pysyk now and lose Petro for draft.

 

[jaric1862]

How does Pysyk's value compare to Petro's?

 

[Halla]

Guess he stays in Florida then. Poor guy.

(sarcasm)

id say vegas will take a hard look.

Ekblad and Yandle are locks, and they can only keep 1 of demers, petrovic and pysyk.

as for this deal, this is not the direction the leafs should be going.
if we trade for pysyk, we have to choose between him and carrick to expose. not really worth it for a bottom pairing dman

 

[Halla]

Well obviously we'd take a Marner or a Nylander for him, but the problem is those players aren't going to be traded for Mark Pysyk. For what the Leafs could possibly be willing to trade for Pysyk wouldn't be worth giving up Pysyk for considering how well he's fitting in.

yeah, hard to imagine the leafs moving a franchise piece for a guy that wont be protected this summer

 

[4thline]

Loved the Pysyk add and the Mascherin pick for you guys.

Would love to add Pysyk but I don't see it making sense for you from a long term standpoint. Much like Minnie you have the 5 nice d-men to protect. With 4 it makes sense to deal the 1 because you're going to lose him anyway, with 5 if you trade one you'll still lose another and your blueline takes a hit.

The only way I can see it happening is if your management decides to go for it this year and the target is (three letters also sure to start a fight ) JVR

JVR and 3rd pairing replacement for Pysyk (Marincin) for Pysyk+one of you 5-7 protected forwards (someone valuable that would be bumped out by the JVR acquisition) + pick.

Realistically though I think we'd be better off waiting for expansion time and having a deal in place to nab Pysyk from LV, they'll have a far bigger need for prospects and picks

 

[Little Bobby Boo]

Can't really thing of anything from T.O that would be fair really. JVR would be great but we'd have to add too much and he's gonna be paid soon.

Hoping we lose petrovic to expansion

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Seems kind of buried in Florida and is even playing his off-side.

Is he available through trade at all?

I'd put a package together to acquire JVR. Has he ever played right wing at all or just strictly left?

I'd do:
Pysyk
Jokinen
2017 2nd round pick
2017 3rd round pick - We own Arizona's 3rd too, could sweeten the pot if need be.

for
JVR
Laich/Michalek (buried contract)

Panthers get JVR who I think would flourish playing with Trocheck and Smith but could also fill in on the top line while Huberdeau and Jagr are injured. He'd also help be a net front presence on the PP which we desperately need. I know he's only got 2 years left but his we could use some more size on the wing and spread the wealth with goal scoring.

Leafs get Jokinen who is aging but still a quality top 6 player who softens the blow of losing JVR. Pysyk does all the right things while being invisible, won't provide a ton of offense but will make smart decisions with the puck. Still a RFA at season's end and could probably slot in beside Gardiner on the 2nd line. Most feel he has top 4 potential, so why not see.
The two picks help with the rebuild and we take on a dead weight contract giving you some cap relief allowing you to possibly take on a cap dump to acquire more picks?

**NOT MY FINAL OFFER BUT GETTING THE BALL ROLLING**

How does Pysyk's value compare to Petro's?

About the same to be honest. Petro has more offensive upside but still putting the defensive game together while Pysyk quietly goes about his business defensively but doesn't light up the stat sheet. Both are RFA's who make within 100k of one another and both need a new contract at end of 2017. Flip a coin really based on value but both have their positives and negatives.

 

[4thline]

I'd do:
Pysyk
Jokinen
2017 2nd round pick
2017 3rd round pick - We own Arizona's 3rd too, could sweeten the pot if need be.

for
JVR
Michalek (buried contract)


**NOT MY FINAL OFFER BUT GETTING THE BALL ROLLING**

You know, not bad. Similar to what I was thinking. Make the 2nd a 1st conditional on making the final 4 and deal in my books. Really like what I've seen from Pysyk, and Jokinen is a nice vet stopgap like you said and if he's healthy a delayed second for next year.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I'd put a package together to acquire JVR. Has he ever played right wing at all or just strictly left?

I'd do:
Pysyk
Jokinen
2017 2nd round pick
2017 3rd round pick - We own Arizona's 3rd too, could sweeten the pot if need be.

for
JVR
Laich/Michalek (buried contract)

Panthers get JVR who I think would flourish playing with Trocheck and Smith but could also fill in on the top line while Huberdeau and Jagr are injured. He'd also help be a net front presence on the PP which we desperately need. I know he's only got 2 years left but his we could use some more size on the wing and spread the wealth with goal scoring.

Leafs get Jokinen who is aging but still a quality top 6 player who softens the blow of losing JVR. Pysyk does all the right things while being invisible, won't provide a ton of offense but will make smart decisions with the puck. Still a RFA at season's end and could probably slot in beside Gardiner on the 2nd line. Most feel he has top 4 potential, so why not see.
The two picks help with the rebuild and we take on a dead weight contract giving you some cap relief allowing you to possibly take on a cap dump to acquire more picks?

**NOT MY FINAL OFFER BUT GETTING THE BALL ROLLING**



About the same to be honest. Petro has more offensive upside but still putting the defensive game together while Pysyk quietly goes about his business defensively but doesn't light up the stat sheet. Both are RFA's who make within 100k of one another and both need a new contract at end of 2017. Flip a coin really based on value but both have their positives and negatives.

JVR has only been LW for us.

In terms of the return, it seems like more quantity then quality. JVR is a huge piece for us, and if we moved him it would need to be for an age appropriate top 4 right handed defenseman, even if it meant we added to JVR. Everyone in the league though is probably looking for this.

 

[4thline]

JVR has only been LW for us.

In terms of the return, it seems like more quantity then quality. JVR is a huge piece for us, and if we moved him it would need to be for an age appropriate top 4 right handed defenseman, even if it meant we added to JVR. Everyone in the league though is probably looking for this.

That's the dice roll on Pysyk, would come down to management opinion on him. Definite gamble but way better bang for the buck on JVR IMO. (Caveat being I have no idea what actual options there are and things being discussed, but I can't see JVR returning the player fans want.)

 

[RainingRats]

Psysk has been great. Not sure we want to trade him. Very steady and reliable, has top 4 potential.

I would want JVR (not for Pysyk but something TO might move) and I would be open open to moving Demers + but I doubt we trade a free agent we just signed.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Pish posh, he can play more with the Leafs

Ah well, I am a fan and thought I'd see if he can help us, but seems like there is no rush to move him out on Florida's part.

LOL. Is that info from the Panthers GM? Maybe the Panthers plan is that he is the player left unprotected?

 

[RainingRats]

LOL. Is that info from the Panthers GM? Maybe the Panthers plan is that he is the player left unprotected?

He's been arguably our most consistent d-man. He plays a simple, mistake free game. Not sure they would want to move him. Just doesn't make sense yet.

 

[WTFMAN99]

LOL. Is that info from the Panthers GM? Maybe the Panthers plan is that he is the player left unprotected?

This is why this forum can't have nice things

That's the dice roll on Pysyk, would come down to management opinion on him. Definite gamble but way better bang for the buck on JVR IMO. (Caveat being I have no idea what actual options there are and things being discussed, but I can't see JVR returning the player fans want.)

I like Pysyk but not sure I want to roll the dice if I am moving JVR.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

He's been arguably our most consistent d-man. He plays a simple, mistake free game. Not sure they would want to move him. Just doesn't make sense yet.

OK, no worries.

I'm always amused by the discussions between posters on trades. They project like they are the actual GMs of the clubs involved doing the deal. Pretty sure its the GMs that make the trades and that the posters are guessing.

That was my real point.

 

[4thline]

This is why this forum can't have nice things

I like Pysyk but not sure I want to roll the dice if I am moving JVR.

To me with JVR there are 4 options-

keep and re-sign

Keep-trade at deadline for prospect and pick

Trade now-for dice roll young defenseman/ replacement LW vet + futures

Trade now-vet defenseman on similar termed deal

I don't believe the much desired 5th option
trade now- young proven rhd with term/ cost control
is available, and of the 4 I like the third the best.

 

[WTFMAN99]

To me with JVR there are 4 options-

keep and re-sign

Keep-trade at deadline for prospect and pick

Trade now-for dice roll young defenseman/ replacement LW vet + futures

Trade now-vet defenseman on similar termed deal

I don't believe the much desired 5th option
trade now- young proven rhd with term/ cost control
is available, and of the 4 I like the third the best.

If you make some additions to JVR, the desired 5th option *could* be an option. I can't really say though as we don't know who is available league wide.

 

[Aladyyn]

I'm all for getting Mark somewhere where he can get top 4 minutes, but please make it anywhere but Toronto

 

[One Winged Angel]

Mark Pysyk For Nick Holden? Please?

 

[Prominence]

He averages around 18 minutes a night... thats really not buried

I would not say burried, but he's definitely not in the top 4. Pysyk was traded for Kulikov who I believe was in the panthers top 4 last year.

http://www2.dailyfaceoff.com/teams/lines/25/florida-panthers

It shows Pysyk on the third pairing. His minutes are misleading because he plays a huge chunk on the PK.

http://www.espn.com/nhl/player/gamelog/_/id/5824/mark-pysyk

If you look at his games and even handed minutes, he plays fewer EV minutes than Petrovic, Yandle, Matheson, Demers, Ekblad.

 

[4thline]

If you make some additions to JVR, the desired 5th option *could* be an option. I can't really say though as we don't know who is available league wide.

I suppose, but it's a short list and shoe on the other foot I wouldn't be interested.

And say that option was open, if you had a lot of faith that a guy like Pysyk could be top 4 that's a hell of a value swing for a littley bit of surety. I'd rather the calculated swing for the fences.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I suppose, but it's a short list and shoe on the other foot I wouldn't be interested.

And say that option was open, if you had a lot of faith that a guy like Pysyk could be top 4 that's a hell of a value swing for a littley bit of surety. I'd rather the calculated swing for the fences.

It's hard for me to speculate really just because I don't know what our options are for defenseman. A good young top 4 right handed defenseman is basically a unicorn though.

 

[Halla]

OK, no worries.

I'm always amused by the discussions between posters on trades. They project like they are the actual GMs of the clubs involved doing the deal. Pretty sure its the GMs that make the trades and that the posters are guessing.

That was my real point.

isnt that the whole point of the threads?

 

[Revelation]

Pysyk and that nifty guy Florida selected in the 2nd round for JVR

 

[LeafingTheWay]

I'd overpay to get Pysyk but as someone mentioned I don't know what the Leafs have to offer that Florida would be interested in.

Going after Pysyk and Demers were two big things I wanted the Leafs to do this off-season but oh well.