Value of: Mark Giordano to the Leafs.

[Nylanderthal]

That would be the top 4 guy I would go as far as to say they need 2 d men, a top 4 upgrade like Gio but also another guy like Justin Braun, or Colin Miller or Calvin Dehann

I think they need 2 d men I don't think a defense that is 1 or 2 injuries away from Rubins is deep enough

Every D in the league is two injuries away from having an AHL call-up in the line up. Wot are you on about?
Sandin liljegren and to a lesser extent Dermott all should play if healthy.

 

[Nylanderthal]

This isn't necessarily true at all. The leafs are preparing to make a splash and it will be on the back end if it isn't kane. Dubas job depends on it. Not staying gio isnl the guy but he is on the radar and they wouldn't consider it if it's wasn't doable. Look for Rutherford to move a D from Vancouver as well and Toronto may be interested there as well.

It most certainly does not, but I appreciate the attempt to create controversy.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

The only way Gio in Toronto will work is next July 1st if he wants to “come home” at 800K

Not true you can retain, in fact you can get double retention

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

It most certainly does not, but I appreciate the attempt to create controversy.

Are you sure? If they go down in round 1 again I think he might be out

 

[Nylanderthal]

Are you sure? If they go down in round 1 again I think he might be out

I suppose anything is possible, but I think the front offices fate tied to how they handle the situation that comes up more so than the outcome. If the team loses again in round one and it’s the same old song & dance and AGAIN no changes are made to the roster construction in a meaningful way then all bets are off.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Every D in the league is two injuries away from having an AHL call-up in the line up. Wot are you on about?
Sandin liljegren and to a lesser extent Dermott all should play if healthy.

Even if that were true (and it's not) Rubins still can't be the first defensive call up the Leafs are a top team but they have some of the worst AHL depth options to call up.

Look at Tampa they have injury issues up front but they can call up guys like Taylor Raddysh who come in and prouce, Ross Colton did the same.

There is nothing like that in Toronto especially not on defense there is no NHL caliber fill in that can step in when injury happens.

So they have to trade for depth because they can't call it up.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

The Toronto Maple Leafs as of December 13th 2021 have 40 points, that is tied for 1st overall in the NHL.

The Toronto Maple Leafs are a very good hockey team we know that, that is not up for debate.

They are 7th in points %.

A good team? Yes.

A very good team? Debatable.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

They are 7th in points %.

A good team? Yes.

A very good team? Debatable.

Points are what matter to me

I don't simply assume games that haven't been played will be won unless those games are against Arizona or Buffalo, but otherwise I don't award points for games not played.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Points are what matter to me

I don't simply assume games that haven't been played will be won unless those games are against Arizona or Buffalo, but otherwise I don't award points for games not played.

But they still are 7th in points %.

So don't mislead people...

 

[Legion34]

But they still are 7th in points %.

So don't mislead people...

you decide the difference between good and very good?

must be a tough year if this is what you have to hang your hat on.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

But they still are 7th in points %.

So don't mislead people...

I didn't I said they were tied for 1st overall in terms of points.

That is true they are in fact tied for 1st overall in points which is what I said

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

I didn't I said they were tied for 1st overall in terms of points.

That is true they are in fact tied for 1st overall in points which is what I said

Context, context, context...

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Context, context, context...

You said I mislead people I didn't you don't get to lie

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

You said I mislead people I didn't you don't get to lie

Don't lose sight of the forest for the tree...

 

[Leaf Fans]

But they still are 7th in points %.

So don't mislead people...

You brought up points percentage while the other poster was using total points. When going by total points, the team is tied in first. 2021-22 NHL Standings | ESPN (ESPN doesn't use point percentage)When going by point percentage, as you do, it is as you stated, 7 th place. There was no attempt to mislead. Anyway, I think the Leafs need a defenceman with some snarl. If I were the GM, I would be trying for David Savard out of Montreal.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

You brought up points percentage while the other poster was using total points. When going by total points, the team is tied in first. 2021-22 NHL Standings | ESPN (ESPN doesn't use point percentage)When going by point percentage, as you do, it is as you stated, 7 th place. There was no attempt to mislead. Anyway, I think the Leafs need a defenceman with some snarl. If I were the GM, I would be trying for David Savard out of Montreal.

I love David Savard but I don't know how you fit him in going forward

 

[Leaf Fans]

I love David Savard but I don't know how you fit him in going forward

Yeah, that would be a hurdle for sure. There would have to be other moves.

 

[Irie]

The Toronto Maple Leafs as of December 13th 2021 have 40 points, that is tied for 1st overall in the NHL.

The Toronto Maple Leafs are a very good hockey team we know that, that is not up for debate.

What is also not up for debate is that the Toronto Maple Leafs are not good enough defensively.

In recent games the Leafs have had to come back from 3-0 down to force a shootout against Minnesota.

Hold on to beat Columbus 5-4 after being up 5-1

and then hold on to beat Chicago 5-4 after being up 4-1 which they were able to do because Chicago can't stop a puck their goalie was AWFUL on Saturday.

All these examples have taken place since December 4th and that doesn't even include the 6-3 loss to the Jets because at least that can be somewhat chalked up to a rookie goalie in his 4th NHL game in net, that was somewhat expected.

I know some will say "Sandin and Dermott are hurt." and that's true and that certainly doesn't help.

But it's the top 4 that's not good enough and specifically it's Justin Holl.

If the Leafs goal is to win a cup, and again The Leafs are tied for 1st overall in the NHL with 40 points their goal should be to win a cup.

If the Leafs goal is to win a cup Justin Holl CAN NOT be in the top 4 he just can't.

Mark Giordano bumps everybody down which means Holl isn't top 4 anymore and it means Rubins isn't the fill in guy.

Seattle will probably look to move Giordano so what are we looking at?

As someone who's regional home team is now the Kraken and that has watched nearly all the games so far this year, I am here to tell you that if you are looking for someone to play the right side, Giordano should NOT be your target.

With the insistence to sit Borgen almost every night and Larsson being the only right D dressing regularly, Hakstol has been using Gio almost exclusively on the right side, and he has not been great.

There were a couple of games where Gio played on the left and he actually played very well, but Hakstol moved him back to the right side because he tried Oleksiak on the right side,and although Oleksiak has honestly been all the Kraken hoped he would when they signed him to that big deal, those games on the right side were a complete train wreck, so Gio has been filling that void.

If you need someone to play top 4 left side, then I think Gio would be an excellent choice, and for the right price, I am sure Seattle would retain 50%, but don't trade for him to play on your right side and think he is going to be the answer, you will be sadly disappointed if you do.

 

[Jerkbait]

It most certainly does not, but I appreciate the attempt to create controversy.

Actually it does ...use logic, it can be your friend

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

As someone who's regional home team is now the Kraken and that has watched nearly all the games so far this year, I am here to tell you that if you are looking for someone to play the right side, Giordano should NOT be your target.

With the insistence to sit Borgen almost every night and Larsson being the only right D dressing regularly, Hakstol has been using Gio almost exclusively on the right side, and he has not been great.

There were a couple of games where Gio played on the left and he actually played very well, but Hakstol moved him back to the right side because he tried Oleksiak on the right side,and although Oleksiak has honestly been all the Kraken hoped he would when they signed him to that big deal, those games on the right side were a complete train wreck, so Gio has been filling that void.

If you need someone to play top 4 left side, then I think Gio would be an excellent choice, and for the right price, I am sure Seattle would retain 50%, but don't trade for him to play on your right side and think he is going to be the answer, you will be sadly disappointed if you do.

We need a top 4 upgrade that's the reality.

I can tell you, you do not have a good head coach he was a Leafs assistant coach and he's terrible

 

[Irie]

We need a top 4 upgrade that's the reality.

I can tell you, you do not have a good head coach he was a Leafs assistant coach and he's terrible

You will get no argument from me on that point.

I have been extremely disappointed with his evaluation and implementation of the current roster.

His vision for the team seems to be based on a pre-conceives notion of what he wanted the team to be before he had a roster, and doesn't take any account into the stretlngths and weaknesses of his current personnel.

I think the general consensus among a lot of fans now is that Francis keeps him around as tank commander for the rest of the season, then makes a change.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

You will get no argument from me on that point.

I have been extremely disappointed with his evaluation and implementation of the current roster.

His vision for the team seems to be based on a pre-conceives notion of what he wanted the team to be before he had a roster, and doesn't take any account into the stretlngths and weaknesses of his current personnel.

I think the general consensus among a lot of fans now is that Francis keeps him around as tank commander for the rest of the season, then makes a change.

That would be the smart thing to do because that is not the guy

 

[Legion34]

You will get no argument from me on that point.

I have been extremely disappointed with his evaluation and implementation of the current roster.

His vision for the team seems to be based on a pre-conceives notion of what he wanted the team to be before he had a roster, and doesn't take any account into the stretlngths and weaknesses of his current personnel.

I think the general consensus among a lot of fans now is that Francis keeps him around as tank commander for the rest of the season, then makes a change.

There is an athletic article that interviews his wife and futa. They make it clear
He wants to compete in the playoffs and his only goal is to try to the cup every year. They mention being in another jersey

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

There is an athletic article that interviews his wife and futa. They make it clear
He wants to compete in the playoffs and his only goal is to try to the cup every year. They mention being in another jersey

Futa?

 

[Legion34]

Futa?

mike futa. Used to be an exec. Seems to be a friend? In this article.

Mark’s only goal is to compete for the cup
He should have done it it a flames jersey. Now he will do it in another jersey (never says seattle)
Mentioned tons of ties to Toronto.

I think it makes the most sense