Player Discussion Marco Rossi

[BagHead]

Was it really? I thought it was that they had Yurov ranked higher but took Öhgren first because they thought Yurov would be more likely to fall to their second pick?

I've been operating on the belief that they said that. I know for a fact they said what you said, though. If I've been wrong all this time, I am going to absolutely lose it.

Or just move on. Probably just move on.

 

[Wabit]

Was it really? I thought it was that they had Yurov ranked higher but took Öhgren first because they thought Yurov would be more likely to fall to their second pick?

I remember seeing something like that. To me it's a weird gamble to take if you really wanted the lower picked guy.

I wonder if the same thing would have been said if they had gotten Snugguard or the other Russian (Miro-something) instead of Yurov?

 

[AKL]

I remember seeing something like that. To me it's a weird gamble to take if you really wanted the lower picked guy.

I wonder if the same thing would have been said if they had gotten Snugguard or the other Russian (Miro-something) instead of Yurov?

Usually it's very weird, but that was back when everyone was big into showing everyone else they didn't like Russia, so at least there's some context that could explain it.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

@BagHead @Wabit @AKL

They did a behind the seasons type video thing for that draft. They obviously didn't use names, but I remember being able to gather/deduce that they had Yurov at #9, Ohgren at #10 and Snuggerud at #11 (or close to it).



Start at 54 seconds. Then again at 1:54.

 

[MNRube]

@BagHead @Wabit @AKL

They did a behind the seasons type video thing for that draft. They obviously didn't use names, but I remember being able to gather/deduce that they had Yurov at #9, Ohgren at #10 and Snuggerud at #11 (or close to it).



Start at 54 seconds. Then again at 1:54.

That was a great watch. Cant wait to see these two next fall.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

I wasn't talking about Peterka, but Nelson, obviously. If the Sabres are open to Rossi for Peterka, it's intriguing. That's not a guarantee, nor is Peterka's ability to provide greater value than Rossi has done -- and since we don't know either man's contract demands or final cost, you have no idea what Peterka's "value" is. Rossi is still a work in progress in the center role but I have some faith in him being a better player than Brock Nelson next season.

Then why are you talking in that post like it’s Rossi for Nelson? Example: If we trade Rossi+ for Thompson (right wing) and sign Nelson as a stop gap center, are you still sitting here complaining that we swapped Rossi for some old bozo (paraphrasing your statement)?

 

[Saga of the Elk]

Then why are you talking in that post like it’s Rossi for Nelson? Example: If we trade Rossi+ for Thompson (right wing) and sign Nelson as a stop gap center, are you still sitting here complaining that we swapped Rossi for some old bozo (paraphrasing your statement)?

Because it's basically a trade of one 2nd line center for another, likely worse one. But I get your point, no need to belabor it.

I don't hate Nelson, especially at around $3 million he'd be a bargain. Bringing in Thompson would be huge.

I just don't think we've seen the best of Rossi and I hate that other teams always seem to profit from the Wild's drafting and development more than the Wild have.

 

[Tally Tiger Shark]

Personally, I’d keep Rossi but…..

…I don’t think there is a trade out there that will satisfy the fan base. I agree with a poster above who said something to the effect that we are unlikely to get anyone back of the same value. This is where my mind has been as well. I look around the league and I don’t see a ton of teams with similar level talent to Rossi that I’d be willing to move if I were those teams. When it goes down, might not be a bad trade in the long run, but I think it’s going to disappoint initially. I’m starting to think the deal will be centered around a draft pick or picks rather than top player(s) in return.

Having said that, I think there is definitely some smoke with Buffalo. If I’m the Sabres, I’m not parting with Thompson or Peterka. Doesn’t make sense to me if I’m Buffalo. I would want to build around them. But if I’m Buffalo, would a 60-point center, coming off his first full NHL season at 24 years old, be enough of a prize to get me to part with the 9th pick in the upcoming draft? If I’m the Wild and I’m just going to be stubborn and move Rossi, if I could get that pick at 9 and say, Peyton Krebbs from Buffalo, I might do that deal. I like Krebs at 2C. Same age as Rossi. Not as offensively gifted but he’s coming off a 28-point season. He’s like sandpaper to play against, cut more from that Eriksson Ek cloth. Plays a heavier game than Rossi and he’s much better on the defensive end and the penalty kill. He’s also fair in the dot. He’s only signed for $1.2M next year and you would have to extend him after that, but you could then spend all your money this year on Marner, or go a little cheaper with Boeser and save some money for next year’s FA class. If you could get that pick at 9, there are going to be some interesting picks on the board. I’d love Radim Mrtka.

But as I said to begin this, I’d keep Rossi and build around him. Just don’t think that is gonna be the path they take.

 

[ctmagic]

What’s this BS that Tage isn’t a center, lol. Sure he sucks at faceoffs and Buf played him at wing after coming off an injury, but that was to ease him back in, lessen the load. It’s my understanding that he’s their plan at 1c, and has played there for his best years in the nhl. Pair that dude with a selke level 2c like Ek, get all the o-zone starts. Would love to see it but no way he’s gettable unless he wants out. Thought he had a nmc or a modified one at least.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

That was a great watch. Cant wait to see these two next fall.

Interesting sliding doors moment, depending on how 3 turn out: if they were right and Nashville took Ohgren, we take Snuggerud at #19, does St. Louis snipe Yurov on us at #23?

 

[57special]

Was it really? I thought it was that they had Yurov ranked higher but took Öhgren first because they thought Yurov would be more likely to fall to their second pick?

That was the story, but if they REALLY thought that Yurov was that much better they'd have taken him 19th. I sure as hell would. I think it was more of a pick'em, and they left off Yurov due to the political climate at the time.

 

[57special]

Because it's basically a trade of one 2nd line center for another, likely worse one. But I get your point, no need to belabor it.

I don't hate Nelson, especially at around $3 million he'd be a bargain. Bringing in Thompson would be huge.

I just don't think we've seen the best of Rossi and I hate that other teams always seem to profit from the Wild's drafting and development more than the Wild have.

I think the chances of that happening are non existent. Probably twice that cap hit- it all depends on the term.

 

[Wabit]

That was the story, but if they REALLY thought that Yurov was that much better they'd have taken him 19th. I sure as hell would. I think it was more of a pick'em, and they left off Yurov due to the political climate at the time.

This is where I'm at too. One was higher than the other on the draft board, but the separation between the players wasn't much of anything.

GMBG hasn't been shy about trading up in any other draft to get the guy they wanted, even if it's only a few spots.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

This is where I'm at too. One was higher than the other on the draft board, but the separation between the players wasn't much of anything.

GMBG hasn't been shy about trading up in any other draft to get the guy they wanted, even if it's only a few spots.

Probably just 1 spot.

 

[Wabit]

Probably just 1 spot.

He's spent draft picks and traded up quite a few times. The 1st is probably the most memorable.

 

[Beerz]

Personally, I’d keep Rossi but…..

…I don’t think there is a trade out there that will satisfy the fan base. I agree with a poster above who said something to the effect that we are unlikely to get anyone back of the same value. This is where my mind has been as well. I look around the league and I don’t see a ton of teams with similar level talent to Rossi that I’d be willing to move if I were those teams. When it goes down, might not be a bad trade in the long run, but I think it’s going to disappoint initially. I’m starting to think the deal will be centered around a draft pick or picks rather than top player(s) in return.

Having said that, I think there is definitely some smoke with Buffalo. If I’m the Sabres, I’m not parting with Thompson or Peterka. Doesn’t make sense to me if I’m Buffalo. I would want to build around them. But if I’m Buffalo, would a 60-point center, coming off his first full NHL season at 24 years old, be enough of a prize to get me to part with the 9th pick in the upcoming draft? If I’m the Wild and I’m just going to be stubborn and move Rossi, if I could get that pick at 9 and say, Peyton Krebbs from Buffalo, I might do that deal. I like Krebs at 2C. Same age as Rossi. Not as offensively gifted but he’s coming off a 28-point season. He’s like sandpaper to play against, cut more from that Eriksson Ek cloth. Plays a heavier game than Rossi and he’s much better on the defensive end and the penalty kill. He’s also fair in the dot. He’s only signed for $1.2M next year and you would have to extend him after that, but you could then spend all your money this year on Marner, or go a little cheaper with Boeser and save some money for next year’s FA class. If you could get that pick at 9, there are going to be some interesting picks on the board. I’d love Radim Mrtka.

But as I said to begin this, I’d keep Rossi and build around him. Just don’t think that is gonna be the path they take.

Peyton Krebs is a fringe NHL'er ... Trust me..you don't want him as your 3C let alone 2C.

I don't even want him as our 4C

 

[Wabit]

Peyton Krebs is a fringe NHL'er ... Trust me..you don't want him as your 3C let alone 2C.

I don't even want him as our 4C

SOLD!!!

Guessing that's the response from GMBG...

 

[BagHead]

I'm not sure if anyone watches/listens to The Sota Pod, but they had Craig Button on recently and were talking about Rossi. He likened the situation to his time with the North Stars when they decided to trade Larry Murphy. A few weeks later they were on the phones, and the chief scout was describing the type of defenseman he wanted his scouts to find, and it was brought up to him that that description sounded a lot like a guy named Larry Murphy. Call ended right there. The whole thing is worth a listen, but I saved it at the Rossi trade talk.

 

[AKL]

I'm not sure if anyone watches/listens to The Sota Pod, but they had Craig Button on recently and were talking about Rossi. He likened the situation to his time with the North Stars when they decided to trade Larry Murphy. A few weeks later they were on the phones, and the chief scout was describing the type of defenseman he wanted his scouts to find, and it was brought up to him that that description sounded a lot like a guy named Larry Murphy. Call ended right there. The whole thing is worth a listen, but I saved it at the Rossi trade talk.

Well said by Button, doesn't make a lot of sense for us to trade this player, we will immediately just be looking for that type of player again and who knows how long it'll be before we find one. We don't have the kind of depth where we can really afford to send out skill without getting some type of skill back, and we don't really have the kind of center depth where we can send out good centers just because.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Gonna go out on a limb and say that Guerin is not going to be looking for another 5’9” center that’s average to below average in skating, defensive play, strength and faceoffs. I’ll even go as far to say that he will avoid that player type as much as he can.

 

[BagHead]

Well said by Button, doesn't make a lot of sense for us to trade this player, we will immediately just be looking for that type of player again and who knows how long it'll be before we find one. We don't have the kind of depth where we can really afford to send out skill without getting some type of skill back, and we don't really have the kind of center depth where we can send out good centers just because.

Also interesting, though, was his more complete look at such a move, especially if you listen to the part of his interview from before the spot I linked to, where he's talking about their trade of Iginla for Niewendyk. The Wild could potentially be in that situation as well.

Gonna go out on a limb and say that Guerin is not going to be looking for another 5’9” center that’s average to below average in skating, defensive play, strength and faceoffs. I’ll even go as far to say that he will avoid that player type as much as he can.

No, you're right he won't, but if he doesn't have another way to get one he will be looking for center with everything Rossi possesses other than size.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

No, you're right he won't, but if he doesn't have another way to get one he will be looking for center with everything Rossi possesses other than size.

They *probably* already have that in Yurov - better skater, better strength, and TBD re: defensive play and faceoffs.

 

[BagHead]

They *probably* already have that in Yurov - better skater, better strength, and TBD re: defensive play and faceoffs.

One great way to screw yourself out of gains is by taking on unnecessary risk, especially when merely waiting a few months is enough to eliminate that risk which would take years, if not decades, to recover from should it go wrong.

If they can get something great for Rossi, something that transforms them into a contender like Joe N did for the Stars, I'm all for it. If they can't, it's stupid to move on before they know how they'll replace him. They can't assume a guy who has never played a game in North America is the answer, especially when they could just wait a few months to know for sure. I don't think Rossi should be off the table if the Wild have the right opportunity, but a 1st+3rd or a downgrade at center are not the opportunities that make him expendable.

 

[57special]

They *probably* already have that in Yurov - better skater, better strength, and TBD re: defensive play and faceoffs.

Rossi scores at a .75 P/PG in the NHL, Yurov, .5 P/PG in the KHL.

I don't see what's wrong with keeping Yurov and Rossi? Rossi has already had a 60 point season as a C in the NHL before he has even hit his prime. It's not crazy to think that he will be a 65-70 pt. #2C in the NHL for years to come. MN desperately needs skilled players like him who get on the scoresheet, yet people keep looking at what he can't do, or do well, rather than appreciating what he can do, and do well.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

One great way to screw yourself out of gains is by taking on unnecessary risk, especially when merely waiting a few months is enough to eliminate that risk which would take years, if not decades, to recover from should it go wrong.

If they can get something great for Rossi, something that transforms them into a contender like Joe N did for the Stars, I'm all for it. If they can't, it's stupid to move on before they know how they'll replace him. They can't assume a guy who has never played a game in North America is the answer, especially when they could just wait a few months to know for sure. I don't think Rossi should be off the table if the Wild have the right opportunity, but a 1st+3rd or a downgrade at center are not the opportunities that make him expendable.

Decades to recover from trading Rossi, eh?

Rossi needs a contract right now and the team has no interest in caving to his demands.