Player Discussion Marco Rossi
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Dr Jan Itor
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Honestly have no idea why Buffalo does it, and I like Rossi a lot.
They need to add, not swap.
BagHead
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I agree with your logic from Buffalo's perspective.
But I also don't know why we're doing it. We need to add, not swap. What it comes down to is Guerin wants to move on from Rossi for some reason even though he doesn't have to. Does Buffalo want to move on from Peterka for some reason even though they don't have to? If so, that may be a match.
Dr Jan Itor
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Because if they sign Nelson on the hope that he's still a 50+ point center for the next 3 years, then technically Peterka would be a pure "add" with Nelson and Rossi being the swap.
Saga of the Elk
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Anytime you can swap out a 60-point, cost-controlled 23 year old for a 56-point, expensive 34 year old who doesn't play defense and can't skate that well, you simply have to do it -- especially if one is from Minnesota!
BagHead
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Does this logic not also hold for them? Genuine question, as I'm not intimate with their situation, but from the outside looking in it appears they have a bunch of cap space this off-season too.
Dr Jan Itor
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Possibly. Rossi, Byram and Quinn would eat into the $24.1M that I'm showing they have. Also, they're starting lower than us so it magnifies a bit.
Plus, how easy is it to get UFA's to Buffalo nowadays?
I think Buffalo would much rather trade the #9OA+ for Rossi than swap him with Peterka.
TBF, BUF did sign Zucker last year as a UFA. That one signing alone is better than any UFA GMBG has signed.
Believe I’ve heard some grumbling that Peterka is unhappy in Buffalo. Don’t really blame him.
This is a blatantly false way to look at it. Peterka is the value add. Nelson is a stop gap.
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Not only that but pretending Rossi is great defensively and is a great skater.
He’s (Rossi) average at best defensively and an average skater.
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Can't believe you guys keep bringing up Rossi in the Rossi thread! Like, every other post is about him!
My comments in the the other thread were about people taking conversations about other players and reverting the conversation to be about Rossi. I don’t care if there is Rossi discussion. I’m over making every conversation about him. This board beats a narrative until black and blue and then beats it some more.
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No worries, just pulling your leg for a cheap gotcha. Can't help myself you know.
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MrRuin
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I am all out on talking Rossi till there are actual news which might still be a while.
Reasons that BUFF would be open to a Rossi/Peterka trade.
1- Peterka is a RFA, and there have been rumors that he doesn't want to sign long term, and even more, that he doesn't want to be in BUF.
2- Rossi has similar stats, and is a C. Rossi is the same age, also.
3- Peterka is a LHS wing, considered the least sought after position, because it is so common.
4- Peterka is not good defensively. Significantly worse than Rossi.
I think a trade for Peterka would be fair for both sides. Personally, i think trading a young, point scoring C for a LW is nutz, when all that we have to replace him at C are aging mediocrities or completely unproven prospects. I am getting flashbacks, and not the good kind, back to the Victor Rask at #1C days.
1- Peterka is a RFA, and there have been rumors that he doesn't want to sign long term, and even more, that he doesn't want to be in BUF.
2- Rossi has similar stats, and is a C. Rossi is the same age, also.
3- Peterka is a LHS wing, considered the least sought after position, because it is so common.
4- Peterka is not good defensively. Significantly worse than Rossi.
I think a trade for Peterka would be fair for both sides. Personally, i think trading a young, point scoring C for a LW is nutz, when all that we have to replace him at C are aging mediocrities or completely unproven prospects. I am getting flashbacks, and not the good kind, back to the Victor Rask at #1C days.
It’d have to be in tandem with signing Nelson for me, or in tandem with trading for another C. Cant enter next year with a C depth chart of JEE, Hartman, Yurov, Freddy.
I also think the reality is that we are unlikely to get a better player back in a hockey trade for Rossi. The FO has been callous with Rossi’s deployment and his trade value is likely lower than it should be. Even in a market that has virtually no young Cs on the market.
In other words, I’m good with Peterka but we absolutely need a C in FA or via another trade if Rossi is in the outgoing package to Buffalo
We literally have Eriksson Ek, Hartman, Yurov, Gaudreau and are expected to sign Nelson. This kind of fear mongering is ridiculous.
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I wasn't talking about Peterka, but Nelson, obviously. If the Sabres are open to Rossi for Peterka, it's intriguing. That's not a guarantee, nor is Peterka's ability to provide greater value than Rossi has done -- and since we don't know either man's contract demands or final cost, you have no idea what Peterka's "value" is. Rossi is still a work in progress in the center role but I have some faith in him being a better player than Brock Nelson next season.
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Rossi for Peterka is merely a position and style swap. There's nothing added, there. Sorry to be a pedant about it, but people were pedantic when I mentioned that the Fiala trade actually netted us Faber and Yurov, not Faber and Ohgren, because it was reported that the Wild would have drafted Ohgren over Yurov if they only had one 1st round pick in 2022. If it's strictly Faber and Ohgren because Ohgren was the 19th pick, then strictly Nelson is the value add. The standard has been set, we aren't allowed to use context.
Note, this was not really pointed at you DigitalB, I'm just using this arguement of yours to grind an old axe of mine. In truth, I think you can look at it either way and you're not strictly right or wrong to do so, they're just different points of view and it's probably best to consider both.
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Was it really? I thought it was that they had Yurov ranked higher but took Öhgren first because they thought Yurov would be more likely to fall to their second pick?
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