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Proposal: Marc Staal

Eh, Im with the people that say just because his brothers are in Carolina it doesn't mean he'll wanna leave NY. I mean pretty soon the Canes are gonna be in our division and Marc will play against/see his brothers more often anyways...
 
Championship said:
They have 3 brothers on another team, each?

There seems to be a special circumstance doesn't it?


IF he wants that
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Your entire premise is based on the assumption that he DOES want that.

Just like everyone who said Kreider wasn't going to sign with us because he's a boston fan.

Doesn't Cally want to sign in buffalo? That's close to Rochester. Doesn't Lundqvist want to play with other Swedes? Maybe he wants to go back to Sweden to play with his brother.

You don't have a shred of proof to support your assumption. Bottom line is, it's in the Rangers best interest to keep Staal and re-sign him when his contract is up. What we can get for him in a trade isn't nearly as important as what he can do for us on the ice.
 
jas said:
As much as I hate to see Staal moved, the Ranger HAVE to protect themselves against such a thing happening. And, if that means dealing him this off-season for a package that includes Carolina's #1, so be it.
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now that I find out he has two years left on his contract, I would table this discussion for a year, however Carolina will have the no 5 pick at worst. If they gave us this pick for Marc Staal and threw in Jaime McBain, I would have to consider this.
 
jas said:
As much as I hate to see Staal moved, the Ranger HAVE to protect themselves against such a thing happening. And, if that means dealing him this off-season for a package that includes Carolina's #1, so be it.
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The Canes #1 pick is currently 5th overall depending on the lottery results.
 
GAGLine said:
Your entire premise is based on the assumption that he DOES want that.

Just like everyone who said Kreider wasn't going to sign with us because he's a boston fan.

Doesn't Cally want to sign in buffalo? That's close to Rochester. Doesn't Lundqvist want to play with other Swedes? Maybe he wants to go back to Sweden to play with his brother.

You don't have a shred of proof to support your assumption. Bottom line is, it's in the Rangers best interest to keep Staal and re-sign him when his contract is up. What we can get for him in a trade isn't nearly as important as what he can do for us on the ice.
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Staal has been on the ice much the last 2 seasons. The Rangers have protected themselves with the addition of Moore.

In early April,Staal joined the Rangers on a road trip to Pitt,Carolina and TO. Staal didn't go to Toronto. He stayed in Carolina and went back to NY by himself.
 
I'm not saying he won't leave (I'm not Marc Staal) but John Moore, while looking like a good addition, is not insurance against a Staal departure.

It's just not at all easy to replace a #1 defenseman. You can't just draft that every year or sign it in UFA like it's no big deal. His type of ability, especially in his own end, just doesn't come along often.
 
HatTrick Swayze said:
I'm not saying he won't leave (I'm not Marc Staal) but John Moore, while looking like a good addition, is not insurance against a Staal departure.

It's just not at all easy to replace a #1 defenseman. You can't just draft that every year or sign it in UFA like it's no big deal. His type of ability, especially in his own end, just doesn't come along often.
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I don't think you approach this situation expecting to "replace" Staal. I want the Rangers to be proactive, much like the Pens were with Jordan.
 
HatTrick Swayze said:
I'm not saying he won't leave (I'm not Marc Staal) but John Moore, while looking like a good addition, is not insurance against a Staal departure.

It's just not at all easy to replace a #1 defenseman. You can't just draft that every year or sign it in UFA like it's no big deal. His type of ability, especially in his own end, just doesn't come along often.
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Which is why you get Carolina to pay through the nose for him this summer.

The longer you wait, the closer he gets to UFA, the more the leverage shifts to them. Also, this summer they have pieces that make sense. Next year their pick likely isn't in the lottery, Faulk has taken another step forward and McBain has either stabilized or proven himself a dud. The more I think about it, the more it makes sense to do the deal this summer --- all assuming you've made the determination that he wants to join his brothers of course.
 
I have to admit hearing the canes announcers would be lol. Staal chips in back to staal passes to staal staal in front back to the point to staal, GOAL! Staal scores his 3rd of the season from staal and staal
 
GAGLine said:
Your entire premise is based on the assumption that he DOES want that.

Just like everyone who said Kreider wasn't going to sign with us because he's a boston fan.

Doesn't Cally want to sign in buffalo? That's close to Rochester. Doesn't Lundqvist want to play with other Swedes? Maybe he wants to go back to Sweden to play with his brother.

You don't have a shred of proof to support your assumption. Bottom line is, it's in the Rangers best interest to keep Staal and re-sign him when his contract is up. What we can get for him in a trade isn't nearly as important as what he can do for us on the ice.
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Go back and read my posts in this thread. Everything i've said is IF. IF.

and it's not an impossible IF.
 
Rangers fans are so much in denial of Staal wanting to go to Carolina.

The writing is on the wall when they played Jared to debut against the Rangers.

Marc Staal will be a Carolina Hurricane in at least 2 yrs time.
 
5th pick in the draft. Centerpiece of the trade.

How do you make plans knowing there is a good possibility a player already has his foot out the door?

The Rangers have Girardi(group III) and DZ(group II)up for new contracts in 2014. Both players will need to be re-signed with uncertainty surrounding Staal.
 
Kershaw said:
Rangers fans are so much in denial of Staal wanting to go to Carolina.

The writing is on the wall when they played Jared to debut against the Rangers.

Marc Staal will be a Carolina Hurricane in at least 2 yrs time.
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What? Because they were on a line together? Callahan will be a Sabre when his contract is up cause his parents can see him easier. Lundqvist will leave to Frolunda because Joel is there too right? The writings on the wall.
 
Guess What said:
What? Because they were on a line together? Callahan will be a Sabre when his contract is up cause his parents can see him easier. Lundqvist will leave to Frolunda because Joel is there too right? The writings on the wall.
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You seriously can't see the difference?

Staal has THREE brothers on the team. Three. He grew up with these guys and parental influence has a lot to play in part of decisions by professional athletes. See Eric Lindros, Scott Neidermayer, Colby Rasmus.

In no way is it comparable with the Lundqvists since Joel isn't even on an NHL team. And what does Callahan have anything to do with the Sabres? None of these are remotely comparable.
 
RangerBoy said:
Staal has been on the ice much the last 2 seasons. The Rangers have protected themselves with the addition of Moore.

In early April,Staal joined the Rangers on a road trip to Pitt,Carolina and TO. Staal didn't go to Toronto. He stayed in Carolina and went back to NY by himself.
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Which means what? Just because he's close with his family doesn't mean he's going to jump ship to carolina.

And even if he wants to sign with carolina, there's no reason we need to think about trading him this summer. That's just ridiculous.
 
Kershaw said:
You seriously can't see the difference?

Staal has THREE brothers on the team. Three. He grew up with these guys and parental influence has a lot to play in part of decisions by professional athletes. See Eric Lindros, Scott Neidermayer, Colby Rasmus.

In no way is it comparable with the Lundqvists since Joel isn't even on an NHL team. And what does Callahan have anything to do with the Sabres? None of these are remotely comparable.
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Yes they are. You don't know what Marc wants. For Scott N, he left NJ because the devils weren't able to agree on a deal/contract. He didn't do it cause Rob was there. You are making baseless claims. Unless you can read minds, or if Marc has reached out to you, no one knows what he wants except him. You say parental influence... Then why doesn't Callahan play closer to Roch? His parents could come out easier. Same with Hank.

We can talk about this again when he is becoming a free agent. For now, let him heal, let him come back, and he plays for us for another season.

Edit: For your sake, Buffalo is 45 to an hour from Rochester. So by your theory, if Cally's folks wanted him closer, he would just do it right?
 
Guess What said:
Yes they are. You don't know what Marc wants. For Scott N, he left NJ because the devils weren't able to agree on a deal/contract. He didn't do it cause Rob was there. You are making baseless claims. Unless you can read minds, or if Marc has reached out to you, no one knows what he wants except him. You say parental influence... Then why doesn't Callahan play closer to Roch? His parents could come out easier. Same with Hank.

We can talk about this again when he is becoming a free agent. For now, let him heal, let him come back, and he plays for us for another season.
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Devils offered Neidermayer the max contract.

He jumped ship because he want to go to his brother.

Hank's brother plays in the SEL, it's not even remotely comparable. He won't leave the NHL making 100x the salary to go with his brother.

Callahan's closer to family? This reminds me of the talk that all GTA born players want to go back to Toronto to be closer to family. Rarely does this happen. Callahan has no one on the team he's related to, unlike Staal.

With the Staals, it's different. Jordan forced his way to a trade there. You'd be crazy to turn down an offer to play alongside brothers you grew up with.
 
RangerBoy said:
5th pick in the draft. Centerpiece of the trade.

How do you make plans knowing there is a good possibility a player already has his foot out the door?

The Rangers have Girardi(group III) and DZ(group II)up for new contracts in 2014. Both players will need to be re-signed with uncertainty surrounding Staal.
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Depending on who is drafting 2/3, try to move up. That player would be on the Rangers next year.
 
Kershaw said:
Devils offered Neidermayer the max contract.

He jumped ship because he want to go to his brother.

Hank's brother plays in the SEL, it's not even remotely comparable. He won't leave the NHL making 100x the salary to go with his brother.

Callahan's closer to family? This reminds me of the talk that all GTA born players want to go back to Toronto to be closer to family. Rarely does this happen. Callahan has no one on the team he's related to, unlike Staal.

With the Staals, it's different. Jordan forced his way to a trade there. You'd be crazy to turn down an offer to play alongside brothers you grew up with.
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It is though. You said parents and family influence a lot right? Well then Callahans family should've told him to play in buffalo. And, I am sorry but you're wrong about Scott... I say this because I know a hell of a lot more devils fans, and the fact that People I knew worked on the inside told me otherwise; meaning that the Devils and him just weren't going to work. He was also aging. Yeah, Lou offered him big money, but on the whole NJ didn't even have a lot of funds. So no, he didn't leave cause Rob was telling him to come there. Baseless. Until its FA or deadline time next year, no one knows. You don't.
 
jas said:
I don't think you approach this situation expecting to "replace" Staal. I want the Rangers to be proactive, much like the Pens were with Jordan.
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Exactly. If you think the best deal you're going to get is at the draft, and you know definitively that he wants to leave, then you have to make the move.
 
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