Agalloch
EliteProspects
Yes I know, Bergevin haters don't know what to say anymore.
For sure, like I said, we know Bergevin is a good season GM but now we need to be a playoffs team and win in the playoffs. ''It's on him''.
Marc Bergevin Thread -- How you Drouin?
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Yes I know, Bergevin haters don't know what to say anymore.
For sure, like I said, we know Bergevin is a good season GM but now we need to be a playoffs team and win in the playoffs. ''It's on him''.
gunnerdom
Go HABS Go!!!!
Dude we protected Paul Byron
Look at everyone else's protected list and try to find a player that bad.
Yes I know he had a good season ......
You're underestimating Byron, dude. You can find a lot of worst players on protected lists. He never got a real chance to play with good players. I remember him in junior with the Olympiques and he was lights out. Everybody thought it was a product of player with Giroux but after Giroux left, he had an even better season.
That speed is so valuable.
NobleSix
High Tech Low-Life.
Yes I know, Bergevin haters don't know what to say anymore.
For sure, like I said, we know Bergevin is a good season GM but now we need to be a playoffs team and win in the playoffs. ''It's on him''.
Not quite.... yet.
He needs to make more than one good trade this off-season before we go there. There is still a lot of material to use against Bergevin right now.
Habs Halifax
Loyal Habs Fan
There is no issues with Weber's long term contract (From a Habs perspective.. not the Preds). Weber is more likely to retire after the 2022-2023 season when he turns 37 and his next 3 years of salary goes to just $1M. That is 6 years from now. We may get 7 years out of him but hard to say and depends on how our team core is build at that time.
Shaw is overpaid. But by how much? I say it's about $1M. In 2 seasons from now, that contract will even out and be in the Habs favor for the last 3 years. This is not a terrible contract IMO. Lets see how year two goes for Shaw in Montreal. Lets not throw people under the bus over one season. Shaw's versatility (LW, C, RW) in the middle 6 of the line-up is a great asset to have.. especially when injuries happen.
Galchenyuk needs to be locked up long term 6+ years. Get the deal done now before he has a break out season. He was on verge of a break out season last year before the injury. Take the oppertunity now before it runs out. 6 years at $5.5M or 8 years at $6.25M. Those are contracts that work for both the team and Galchenyuk.
gunnerdom
Go HABS Go!!!!
I would take most of our options on D before Emelin and that's without that 4M$ contract. He's just not very good. Davidson can easily replace Emelin.
Emelin is a bottom pair defenseman who was getting paid way too much. It's addition through subtraction.
Bryson
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Yes I know, Bergevin haters don't know what to say anymore.
For sure, like I said, we know Bergevin is a good season GM but now we need to be a playoffs team and win in the playoffs. ''It's on him''.
I would like proof that Bergevin is a good season GM. He inherited the one player keeping this team from being a bottom feeder. Without Price we saw this team had the worst collapse in franchise history.
The amazing offseason acquisitions by the great season GM Bergevin:
2013- Brandon Prust, Francis Bouillon, Colby Armstrong
2014- Daniel Briere, Douglas Murray
2015- PA Parenteau, Manny Malhotra, Tom Gilbert, Jiri Sekac, Drayson Bowman
2016- Joel Hanley, Mark Barberio, Bud Holloway, Ryan Johnston, Alexander Semin, Tomáš Fleischmann, Zack Kassian
2017- Al Montoya, Alexander Radulov, Zach Redmond, Chris Terry, Bobby Farnham, Jakub Jerabek, Phillip Danualt
Where would this team be without this Marc Bergevin?
Agalloch
EliteProspects
So you only list the UFA signings and few trades? Why? (for example where is Jeff Petry ?)
That's something he's saying since 2012, that he never really believes in UFAs to built a team. One thing about his UFA signings, no bad contract that takes the team in trouble cap wise.
And you seem to mix the years, Danault didn't arrive in the summer and Jerabek is a 2018 signing if I understand the way you wrote your summer listing.
Subban was on a long contract so the only way to trade him was for someone with a long contract too, that's the way it works in cap land. When Weber retires, Nashville will be stuck with the recapture penalty, Poile (GM of the year) accepted that contract...
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NobleSix
High Tech Low-Life.
Yeah, they always have a pre draft press conference.
Will probably filled with more of the same press conference rhetoric from MB that we usually get.
sheed36
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I heard earlier this week on TSN690 that MB and Timmins were to meet with the media the night before the draft to discuss the draft so I figure that's what this is about.
Habs Halifax
Loyal Habs Fan
- Markov from age 35-37 (2013-2016)
- Weber from age 35-37 (2020-2023)
Were talking about a 8 year difference in cap inflation. Your reference to Markov is not correct. Markov at $5.75M (2013-2016) = Weber at $7.86M (2020-2023) . $2.1M in cap difference over a 8 year age span difference between Markov and Weber !
I repeat. Weber at $7.86M from age 35 to 38 is not a major concern when he's age 35, 4 years from now.
- Weber from age 35-37 (2020-2023)
Were talking about a 8 year difference in cap inflation. Your reference to Markov is not correct. Markov at $5.75M (2013-2016) = Weber at $7.86M (2020-2023) . $2.1M in cap difference over a 8 year age span difference between Markov and Weber !
I repeat. Weber at $7.86M from age 35 to 38 is not a major concern when he's age 35, 4 years from now.
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Grate n Colorful Oz
Get a grip
We're talking about the years where Weber will decline and he'll take 8 mil on our cap. That's a liability. Nothing you wrote counter-argues this.
Yes I know, Bergevin haters don't know what to say anymore.
For sure, like I said, we know Bergevin is a good season GM but now we need to be a playoffs team and win in the playoffs. ''It's on him''.
He signs Emelin to a bad contract
Then gets credit to be able to lose that bad contract yesterday
Lolllll
Keep drinking the cool aid
Agalloch
EliteProspects
Well, I never said Emelin was on a bad contract at the time when signed but now it's time to move on from him (like we did with Gorges). We have some physical presence with Weber and Benn so Emelin is not that indispendable (essential sorry!
) now like he was 3-4 years ago.Each year, there are team wanting cap hit with low salary to reach the cap floor, it will not be different in 5-6 years. One of the best thing about Weber's contract is the absence of NTC/NMC. Each long term contracts have them habitually.
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Not any different than all the people who have been complaining about Emelin being on the team for years
As soon as he's traded...there's complaints that he needs to be replaced.
It goes both ways
I don't make a big fuss about contracts to the best players. Your best players need to get paid, whether it's here or anywhere else, they will get that money. Since the lockout, and I've discussed this years ago, it's all about finding an edge via your RFA and depth. If you can manage to keep those guys cheap for as long as possible, this is what will make your team into a solid contender, which makes drafting and just as important, development so crucial to building your team.
That's why the bridge deal to PK was such a collossal **** up, and the suggestion of re-signing Sly is absolutely insane. We could not even produce 1 ****ing bottom liner out of the AHL in 5 years, but somehow Bergevin is satisfied. Insane.
The Drouin deal was definitely good. We need Galch to a similar deal. Then we should trade Patches as he's due for an increase real soon, and he could fetch us the biggest return. Patches will not lead us anywhere, so let's get someone that potentially could.
Agreed...but would take a lot of guts for Bergevin to do this, I just don't see him having that foresight.
Because of all the guys we have to re-sign in the coming years, I think Pacioretty is the one whose going to be most difficult.
Get ahead of it, move him while he arguably has the best contract in the league. You could solve ALOT of issues on the current team by trading Pacioretty.
Virtual definition of "sell high"
Agalloch
EliteProspects
Subban seems to be a weird team guy and they were afraid to give him a long term deal and even for his 8 years contract, I'm sure Bergevin was against it but was pressured by Molson.
Hire friends as coaches and not choosing the best available is Bergevin's Achilles heel. The development is a problem for a long time in Montreal, even before Bergevin's hiring. Timmins is not the super scout that Bergevin wants us to believe. Maybe it's time to change the guy.
Mario le Magnifique
Habs apologist, closet Pens fan
Really, it wasn't that bad of a contract (and LV agrees with me obviously). Fans don't put any value for tough defensive players. Look at how Weber is perceived by the NHL (#6 for Norris) and yet because he didn't put up 50 points his value is a lot less than Subban for fans (although Subban had a quiet season and was average throughout the Playoffs especially in the finals). To me, that's understanding hockey with a bias for offense production. For these fans, Weber disapointed and Subban was much better than him. They are wrong. Defensive defensemen all have bad possession stats, hint, they are used when your team needs to defend. And as seen in the finals, good offfense plows through a lineup with no real shutdown defense, as NSH had a plethora of PMDs unable to stop Pitts cycle, possibly due to the fact that NSH's top 2-way forwards were almost all injured and couldn't help as much down low (Fisher especially, that tough SOB is a meanie and very hard to play against when healthy).
Look at Emelin in a vaccuum : 2nd to Weber for PK time and just a bit worse than Weber in GA/60 on the PK. And the Habs PK was one of their strenght. He got some time on the top pairing and although you don't want to see him there he was able to patch the hole with a fair bit of success. 4 M is a bit high for a guy like Emelin but by not that much.
Now let's see how MB spends these millions before I call it an upgrade over Emelin.
I don't think Berg will trade his new found Captain, although he definitely should. He shouldn't even be Captain, he doesn't step up in the POs, and I'm not blaming him, he's just not that type of player. He's also become a lot more of a perimeter game.
He gets most of his goals versus weaker teams, and he's due for a massive raise soon.
It really doesn't take much of an analysis to conclude he'd be the best guy to move. Hopefully it happens, but I wouldn't bet anything on it.
Really with this?Dude we protected Paul Byron
Look at everyone else's protected list and try to find a player that bad.
Paul Byron outscored Matt Martin 22-5 and Martin makes more than twice as much. Both players were protected.
I don't necessarily buy the "playoff" argument...because I don't buy the "playoff performer" thing. So I wouldn't want him traded because of his spotty playoff performance.
Trust me, if Pacioretty someone ends up on the Penguins, his playoff resume will improve exponentially.
I would just want Pacioretty traded because at his salary, and the position he plays, he's a luxury on the Habs, they have other pressing needs than a goal scoring forward. They could kill several birds with this one stone.
But again, I don't see him having that kind of foresight.
I have no problem with a complete change of our drafting department. That said, we regularly provided this team with depth players prior to this organization coming in.
People keep saying how it takes about 3-5 years to develop guys, especially when you pick them where we have. That means the current organization would be responsible for the prospects we had since 2009-2010.
Drafting and development, there's some serious that needs to be done there. Unfortunately it seems like nothing will be done.
Agalloch
EliteProspects
I do understand why we could trade Pacioretty right now but I would keep him for another season and trade him next summer. He's on a great contract, 35 goals will need to be replaced and it will cost more than his actual cap hit to do so.
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I've tuned out of MB's press conferences for a long time now. Too many assertions that don't represent what is actually going on. And am not talking about those issues he needs to keep close to the vest but taking responsibility, laying out a gameplan, executing it, accountability, the types of things you'd like the leader of any endeavor put forth. He unfortunately comes across far too often as arrogant and confrontational. It's as if he's running the show for his sole benefit. I can't take that type of self-absorbed spiel.
He's refused every interview since his year-end presser. He's done nothing about any of his staff. Meantime we've seen other GMs be more proactive and making concrete decisions. None of them were held hostage by their AHL coach. And so many of them sat down to give interviews for the benefit of their fans. Not our GM.
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